United don't do buy back clauses, so if Real insisted on one then the deal would be a non starter.
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If we tried to do a deal with real they will inevitably try to make pogba part of deal.
Why not though.. I'm sure clubs like Bayern ha vetaken players on loan (a buy back is just a more complicated loan deal).
If we can get a really good player for the interim, while we identify our long term target - everyone is in a win-win situation.
Well rashford was poor, so I'd agree there, but Greenwood lost him quite a few times and had a few chances. I don't think regullion made many interceptions or tackles. Blocks, but that's because they were all in the box.
Better defensive fullbacks are available. Lucas Digne is my choice if funds were unlimited.
Loans are different because you plan on the player probably going back at the end of the loan.
United have never done buy back or buy out clauses for any player as far as i know, Ferguson/Gill were against them and that seems to have continued under Woodward. If a player is contracted to United the club obviously want control over the player and wouldn't want situation where a player they want to keep has a clause triggered and leaves. Resulting in United having to replace a player they hadn't planned on replacing or even worse if it happened on deadline day they'd have to go into the season a player short.
On this i agree with the clubs stance United isn't a development club for other clubs.
Yeah, of course, I just think if we gave up as many chances as Sevilla last night we would have hammered our defenders.
Digne is a great player, I would certainly take him in our side. League ready as well.
People on here have watched him once (last night) and saying he gave away too many chances or he’s not good enough as Greenwood had two chances down his side. He’s been incredible all season, he won “best left back in La Liga”, he not just a good offensive FB but he’s more than capable of defending too.
Sevilla set up to play with that high line and really adventurous almost wing like FBs, don’t mistake that for him not being able to defend.
Chilwell and Reguilón are the same age and I think either would dramatically improve our first team.
Sevilla set up to play with that high line and really adventurous almost wing like FBs, don’t mistake that for him not being able to defend.
Chilwell and Reguilón are the same age and I think either would dramatically improve our first team.
Among left backs in Europe under the age of 24, Reguilon is at the top for 'progressive runs' (runs that occur in the opposition half, where a player dribbles the ball at least five metres towards the opposition goal).
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/data-analysis/using-data-identify-new-left-back-liverpool
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/data-analysis/using-data-identify-new-left-back-liverpool
Looked like a good player to me.
Reguilon, Theo Hernandez, and Hakimi in the very best part of that graph. All 3 were at Real Madrid at one point, and all 3 (assuming Reguilon leaves this summer) were all booted!Among left backs in Europe under the age of 24, Reguilon is at the top for 'progressive runs' (runs that occur in the opposition half, where a player dribbles the ball at least five metres towards the opposition goal).
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/data-analysis/using-data-identify-new-left-back-liverpool
Didn't Sir Alex used to do a similar thing and sign players that had a worldy against us ?
Yep and a certain number 7 comes to mind.
How good was he defensively against us, I trying to think back. I know he was decent going forward (nothing special from what I remember though.)
I know we lost but we had a tonne of chances and should have had a couple of pens. So it's not like any of their defenders did particularly well against us.
I know we lost but we had a tonne of chances and should have had a couple of pens. So it's not like any of their defenders did particularly well against us.
He is known more as in offensive FB that likes to get forward and overlap etc.
This is where the Caf gets so frustrating, AWB doesn’t get forward enough or have an end product, according to some people on here, so he shouldn’t be classed as United quality. But then you have someone like Reguilon who is a forward thinking FB and he’s not good enough because his defending isn’t as good as AWB’s; you can’t win.
Trent, for example, is excellent going forward but his defending isn’t “A game” (I’m not saying he’s not good defensively but it’s not his strongest point). The difference is that they have CBs and a proper holding DM that fill in when they vacate their positions. Also two forwards that track back often in Mane and Salah. We have an aging Matic (who had a very good season) and Fred/McT who are naturally CMs not DMs.
Same with City actually, Rodri just slots back in to cover Walker etc. Is this not being coached at United?
All these pages of transfer discussion without a single source that links to us ?
This thread should be in football forum.
This thread should be in football forum.
You seem to share the same frustration as me on the fullback discussions here on the CAF.
It's a frustrating one because in my opinion, and as you eluded to, we aren't geared up just yet to have proper attacking fullbacks. I'm not against it but at this stage of our progression with the squad a player with superior defensive skills is the more suited option. Until we improve with another top CB and DM to replace matic.
It's one of those things where you can't run before you can walk. If we opened up and told the fullbacks to bomb on right now Harry and Lindelof would be hammered imo.
Spot on!
Thats why I think the priority (defensively) is a CB closely followed by a DM.
I really rate Tuanzebe and I hope he develops as expected but he and Bailly are injury prone and we therefore can’t rely on them.
Yes I’m really hoping Tuenzebe will get over the injuries, was hoping he would step up and be that quick CB we want to partner Maguire.
I still hold out hope for him.
Many threads in this Transfer forum aren't about players linked to United: Havertz, Willian, Alcantara, Dybala, Jimenez, Aouar, Semedo, Garcia, ... Mods let the garden go to weed.
You don't create a thread in transfer thread without a link. If you want to talk about a player, you do that in football forum. That's what I have understood. Happy to correct my understanding if its wrong.
Among left backs in Europe under the age of 24, Reguilon is at the top for 'progressive runs' (runs that occur in the opposition half, where a player dribbles the ball at least five metres towards the opposition goal).
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/data-analysis/using-data-identify-new-left-back-liverpool
He's doing well in offensive/defensive actions as well.
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Confirms what we already know; Davies is a monster in the making. Estupinan doing very well, would be cheap considering Watford were relegated. He was one of the best left backs in La Liga this season. A personal favourite is Pellegrini (despite the chart).
Davies is insane, look at how much defending AWB has to do.
Remember someone on here asking to buy Atal last year.
don't we have one with Depay's contract at Lyon, or are you just referring to buy backs on players we sign, not sell.
Yeah from what I’ve read we have a buy back for Depay.
But you’re right I was talking about buy back/out clauses for United players.
This shouldn't even be up for debate - Reguillon would clearly be an upgrade on any LB in our squad. Shaw is decent but I don't think he's anything special, a solid player but injury/fitness issues and unlikely that he'll hit the heights we hoped he would. I long for the day we have a wing back who takes players on.
Was going to include Atal but he got injured after 13 league matches so sample size isn't great but he was very good last season as well. Could be a good attacking option at right back but isn't Williams supposed to be backup next season?
I suppose it depends if we purchase a LB or not, I suggested a Dalot + cash swap for Telles, maybe enquire about Lewis, Shaw definitely needs competition.
If we aren't geared up for proper attacking fullbacks then signing a fullback from Crystal Palace who was weak in the first phase of the build up wasn't a very wise move to improve that facet of our play.
Also Solskjaer has gone on record and said the fullbacks 'must' contribute in attack.
I believe he was talking about defensive cover, so when we counter and the FBs get forward, we don’t have the CB or DM to fill in. Or we do and they’re not coached into doing so. Therefore the fbs are less adventurous or look for the safe options.
I think AWB is a great fullback, never said he wasn’t. As I said I think a more defensive fullback is what I think we need until we’ve strengthened.
People hammer AWB all the time in here. I don’t think he’s incapable of improving going forward, he can beat a man for pace, it’s his final ball that needs work.
Solskjaer quite clearly stated that Wan Bissaka has to improve going forward because it's what's required of a Manchester United fullback.
AWB is the best 1 on 1 full back defensively in the Premier League but he's still got a lot to learn in terms of positioning and his complicity in the Sevilla winner wasn't a big surprise.
Reguilon is exactly what United need. Excellent going forward, can overlap and is the different option to Shaw.
Reguilon is exactly what United need. Excellent going forward, can overlap and is the different option to Shaw.
Djemba x2 too.
Unless you think Solskjaer is gonna adopt a reactive approach going forward then the fullbacks have to contribute in the build up phase. But what's happening currently is that the opposition is leaving him free to receive the ball because he's a good bet to turn the ball over to them. He will also get more assists due to being left unattended.
Shaw is better on the ball than Wan Bissaka and is better at linking up with the forwards and advances the ball to a much higher level.
I hope you're right and he does improves but it's more than reasonable for people to air their concerns regarding his ability in the build up phase. I've heard people say he will lock down the right flank on his own which hasn't been the case. Then we heard people say once we sign Sancho, AWB can concentrate on defending whilst Sancho can concentrate on attacking. Now we're hearing he needs a better playing ahead of him. The player playing ahead of him (Mason) would've scored even more goals IMO if he had a technically strong RB behind him.
I don't believe AWB is a player for a team that wants to play a progressive play-style and the quicker we introduce young Ethan Laird the better.
I agree with much of your post. I do think however that Laird will do well to cement the position ahead of AWB, purely on defensive ability.
We have to remember that a good defensive fullback is still a requirement, the ideal being somebody good at going both forwards offensively and backwards defensively.
However my original post in here questions the availability of such players, I don't think very many exist and the ones that do are not available.
Would you promote Laird over trying to sign a specialist (ready made) player?
You’ve basically just repeated your previous post which I replied to?
Again, I’m talking about defensive cover when the fbs push up, when Matic isn’t playing or when he is and is tired, we do not have the personnel that cover those vacant FB spots.
Whether OGS said they need to get forward more or not isn’t the point here? Unless you’re agreeing that the reason he doesn’t get forward enough is because he is concerned of the gap he will leave behind.
Either way, thanks for sharing.
what a great signing that turned out to be
Tbh mate I'm always in favour of promoting talented youth prospects. Whether Laird lives upto the billing remains to be seen. But I can guarantee you, many on here will jump on his every mistake and micro analyse his game.
But I'm confident after a bit of teething problems he'll become a very good option for us for the role.
I’ve heard good things about Laird, haven’t seen much of him myself but here’s hoping he can be a future starter for us.
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