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Too early to tell. If let's say he has 3 great years there before he moves again to whichever team, and they make a profit out of it, it will definitely still be considered a success.

I can appreciate both sides - Utd not giving in to a condition they don't want, and Spurs not caring for it since they get a great player to add to their time, however long it may be.
They’re effectively paying €30m for a day 3 year loan on a young left back who may or may not turn out good. To be honest, if he turns out shite then he’s fecked it. Real won’t want him back and he’ll be stuck at Spurs or move somewhere else.
 

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If Woodward didn’t want to agree with the Buy Back Clause, then that’s great IMO.
 

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They’re effectively paying €30m for a day 3 year loan on a young left back who may or may not turn out good. To be honest, if he turns out shite then he’s fecked it. Real won’t want him back and he’ll be stuck at Spurs or move somewhere else.
How often do buy-back clauses effectively get exercised? Genuine question.

If he turns out shite, he'll be sold on to a mid-table team in England or Spain, along those lines.
If he turns out to be at Spurs' level, he'll stay there and they'll have a good player for a decent transfer fee.
If he turns out great, say Bale/Modric levels, he'll go back to Real but even without a buy-back clause, a club like Spurs wouldn't have been able to keep him if he turns out world class.

I can see why Utd didn't wanna go through with it but I can also totally understand Spurs' reasoning for this one.
 

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There is absolutely nothing, let me just repeat that.....nothing.....to substantiate anyones belief that we were EVER interested in Reguilon.

This is the damage that twitter can do to a gullible fanbase. If this guy goes to Spurs and succeeds it will be used as a stick to beat the club for years to come. More ammunition for a fanbase that depressingly seem only too willing to hate this club for some reason.

To me its completely obvious that our name has been used to flush out one or two clubs that were interested, and Spurs are the ones that have taken the bait.
 

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And if he's bad, it's a 30m loan and 5 years worth of wages.

The risk doesn't justify the reward.
Is that not exactly the same risk a team takes with signing any player?

If any signing turns out bad, they are potentially at risk of having to pay that player's wages. It is irrelevant really as the consequence is no different to a normal signing.
 

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There is absolutely nothing, let me just repeat that.....nothing.....to substantiate anyones belief that we were EVER interested in Reguilon.

This is the damage that twitter can do to a gullible fanbase. If this guy goes to Spurs and succeeds it will be used as a stick to beat the club for years to come. More ammunition for a fanbase that depressingly seem only too willing to hate this club for some reason.

To me its completely obvious that our name has been used to flush out one or two clubs that were interested, and Spurs are the ones that have taken the bait.

I have no problem saying he would have chosen United over us, but clearly there was interest.
 

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Too early to tell. If let's say he has 3 great years there before he moves again to whichever team, and they make a profit out of it, it will definitely still be considered a success.

I can appreciate both sides - Utd not giving in to a condition they don't want, and Spurs not caring for it since they get a great player to add to their time, however long it may be.
Agreed. I think Spurs have got a great deal but I wouldn’t have wanted us to sign him with those clauses. Similar to where I am with Bale really - I didn’t want him for us but I can see why Tottenham would go for him. They need something big to get top 4 and as unlikely as it is Bale rediscovering what he’s lost may be it.
 

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I have no problem saying he would have chosen United over us, but clearly there was interest.
He was offered to us. It would be negligent not to try at a cheap price.
Honestly, trying to get him cheaper with no clause was never going to work. Our brief said we werent that intetested and thought we were bring used to flush out Spurs. Thats what happened.
He looks like a project to me. Theres a lot of work to be done with him which makes the clause that more idiotic.
 

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He was offered to us. It would be negligent not to try at a cheap price.
Honestly, trying to get him cheaper with no clause was never going to work. Our brief said we werent that intetested and thought we were bring used to flush out Spurs. Thats what happened.
He looks like a project to me. Theres a lot of work to be done with him which makes the clause that more idiotic.
Fair enough, I am still excited.
 

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If it was between us and Spurs in a straight choice and Spurs signed the player instead of us I would be in full meltdown mode.

But (and this isnt downplaying it) this wasnt a straight fight. We were never going to agree to a buy back clause and nor should we. We are not Spurs. No reason to do Madrid a favour and babysit their player under those terms for a year or two until they need a ready made replacement for Marcelo. Especially if Reguilions dream is still to play for Madrid then hes never going to be 100% commited anyway.

It wasnt seen as the priority position to begin with by us by most accounts and I think a lot of people are losing it because we want signings and seemingly will take any sort of signing at this point.

Let Spurs have the buyout clause. Hopefully it comes back and bites them in 12 months time.

The thing Im most annoyed about is the fact we were seemingly ready to spend 20 odd million on a different player yet are haggling over fees/structure with Dortmund. Surely the money earmarked for this could have gone towards Sancho. But anyway.
 

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Fair enough, I am still excited.
Ignore these misery’s. He’s a great signing for you :lol:

Assuming you’re going to a back 3? Can’t see Jose playing two attacking fullbacks in a 4. Be fascinating to see where Bale would fit in if that’s the case. Kane and Bale up front with Son behind?
 

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If it was between us and Spurs in a straight choice and Spurs signed the player instead of us I would be in full meltdown mode.

But (and this isnt downplaying it) this wasnt a straight fight. We were never going to agree to a buy back clause and nor should we. We are not Spurs. No reason to do Madrid a favour and babysit their player under those terms for a year or two until they need a ready made replacement for Marcelo. Especially if Reguilions dream is still to play for Madrid then hes never going to be 100% commited anyway.

It wasnt seen as the priority position to begin with by us by most accounts and I think a lot of people are losing it because we want signings and seemingly will take any sort of signing at this point.

Let Spurs have the buyout clause. Hopefully it comes back and bites them in 12 months time.

The thing Im most annoyed about is the fact we were seemingly ready to spend 20 odd million on a different player yet are haggling over fees/structure with Dortmund. Surely the money earmarked for this could have gone towards Sancho. But anyway.
Ever thought that the 20 odd million "earmarked" for a different player actually never existed? That it was mainly the spanish press writing nonsense?
 

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Is that not exactly the same risk a team takes with signing any player?

If any signing turns out bad, they are potentially at risk of having to pay that player's wages. It is irrelevant really as the consequence is no different to a normal signing.
You misunderstand. It's the same risk, but it isn't the same reward.

It's the risk of a transfer, with the reward of a loan.
 

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1st, we didnt want to pay 30m Euros
2nd, in the fee was a buy back which we didnt want to agree on.
Yeah, but the real stumbling block was the buy back clause, not the fee.
In any case, i really don't think we were that interested.
 

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If he turns out great, say Bale/Modric levels, he'll go back to Real but even without a buy-back clause, a club like Spurs wouldn't have been able to keep him if he turns out world class.
But in this instance the release clause is usually below the going rate. Let's go does very well and reaches Marcelo levels instead of selling Reguilon for 70m+ they will have to sell for the pre agreed buy back which seems could be 40m.
 

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How often do buy-back clauses effectively get exercised? Genuine question.

If he turns out shite, he'll be sold on to a mid-table team in England or Spain, along those lines.
If he turns out to be at Spurs' level, he'll stay there and they'll have a good player for a decent transfer fee.
If he turns out great, say Bale/Modric levels, he'll go back to Real but even without a buy-back clause, a club like Spurs wouldn't have been able to keep him if he turns out world class.

I can see why Utd didn't wanna go through with it but I can also totally understand Spurs' reasoning for this one.
They made a lot of money on morata in a similar way.
 

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There is absolutely nothing, let me just repeat that.....nothing.....to substantiate anyones belief that we were EVER interested in Reguilon.

This is the damage that twitter can do to a gullible fanbase. If this guy goes to Spurs and succeeds it will be used as a stick to beat the club for years to come. More ammunition for a fanbase that depressingly seem only too willing to hate this club for some reason.

To me its completely obvious that our name has been used to flush out one or two clubs that were interested, and Spurs are the ones that have taken the bait.
Or we could have just been interested but Spurs done what we wouldn’t. Either way we don’t have to moan about it. We just move on.. I think it’s obvious we want a left back.
 

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Spurs will keep a 30m player if he failed to impress but they will lose him if he does well for 5-10m profit.

No big clubs would accept such clause.
 

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Smart business from Real Madrid. Telling other club (which no one falls into it except Spurs) to develop their players without paying the player's wages and when the right time comes, they can buy him back for extra 10m.
 
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Spurs will keep a 30m player if he failed to impress but they will lose him if he does well for 5-10m profit.

No big clubs would accept such clause.
He’s a left back; it’s not like they’re hard to replace. We could have done with him for a year or 2, even as backup to Shaw. Last thing we need is Shaw getting is customary injury and Williams stinking up the place at left back again. Honestly I’d rather stick Rojo there
 

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I have no problem saying he would have chosen United over us, but clearly there was interest.
Because someone said so on twitter? Do you not think the fact that Spurs have apparently acted so quickly would suggest that they were dithering on this one and United have been used to force their hand?
 

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But in this instance the release clause is usually below the going rate. Let's go does very well and reaches Marcelo levels instead of selling Reguilon for 70m+ they will have to sell for the pre agreed buy back which seems could be 40m.
So you miss out on the potential added value if your newly acquired player becomes world class. Yet you will still have had a world class player in your team for 1-2 years, and a very good one before that too. It's a no-brainer for Spurs imo.

Did Utd think about the resale value of Matic or Fred when they bought them? Likewise for so many other transfers. Right now it's a much needed injection of (hopefully for Spurs) quality in their team and that's exactly what they need. I guess they don't give a damn that those (not very likely) €40m in the distant future could end up at Madrid instead of them.
 

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Is there any word on how much the buy back clause is? Must be like 15m/20m more?

Madrid will definitely activate it too - they did so with Morata if i remember correctly
 

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Is that not exactly the same risk a team takes with signing any player?

If any signing turns out bad, they are potentially at risk of having to pay that player's wages. It is irrelevant really as the consequence is no different to a normal signing.
Its not. Downside is same, which means if player flops then it's Spurs' problem to shift him out. Upside is not same, if he plays very well then they will lose him for fixed fee instead of having controlling the player transfer fee.
 

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We have 2 CBs who have very good injury record, our first choice LB's injury record is very poor and then the back up is young Williams who is right footed which means the build up play is messed up with him always cutting in and playing narrower. Tbh we need better quality too.

As a CB back up we have Bailly, so LB position should be higher priority, even more so with Shaw's injury record.
Don't know if Requilon wants to move here, but if not it will be Telles, imo.
 

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Because someone said so on twitter? Do you not think the fact that Spurs have apparently acted so quickly would suggest that they were dithering on this one and United have been used to force their hand?
We have been interested in the kid since the end of August.
 

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Ever thought that the 20 odd million "earmarked" for a different player actually never existed? That it was mainly the spanish press writing nonsense?
Yeah could be the case as well. Im hopeful though that we do have money to spend after VdB but just havent spent it yet.

I dont want to think that we are done in this window already.
 

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Fair enough, I am still excited.
Those guys are just in denial :lol: . Utd clearly wanted him, Romano who is the best journo going around confirmed as much. We had agreed the players contract but never wanted the buy back clause. Spurs bent over to the damands and obviously Madrid the selling cub preferred that. So here we are
 

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Fair enough, I am still excited.
To be fair I would be excited too as he looks a big upgrade on Davies. Reguilon getting forward can provide plenty of chances for Kane (if Jose allows him to get forward!). Reguilon and Bale are certainly a risk worth taking for spurs because they definitely need some new injection of life after the first game.
 

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There is absolutely nothing, let me just repeat that.....nothing.....to substantiate anyones belief that we were EVER interested in Reguilon.

This is the damage that twitter can do to a gullible fanbase. If this guy goes to Spurs and succeeds it will be used as a stick to beat the club for years to come. More ammunition for a fanbase that depressingly seem only too willing to hate this club for some reason.

To me its completely obvious that our name has been used to flush out one or two clubs that were interested, and Spurs are the ones that have taken the bait.
I see it slightly differently but agree there was never anything serious in this as I said in here from the start.

I've thought all along that we never went into this summer with the intention of buying a left back after Williams new contract. If we were it wouldn't just be Reguilon on our radar who no one even mentioned before August.

I think we were 'offered' him by the agents like 100s of other players this summer. He was probably at best an interesting option if we could get him for a knockdown price late in the window but not important enough to actively chase.
 

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We have been interested in the kid since the end of August.
Exactly. Interested but not willing to pull the trigger for whatever reason. All of a sudden United are 'close' and Spurs have agreed to all of Madrids demands.

These twitter experts get information from agents and not clubs. Im not saying that Spurs have been played here, because you wanted the player, but you have more than likely been manipulated into closing this deal.

A win for the agent who gets paid
A win for the twitter gangs credibility
A win for Spurs fans who can boast that they beat United to a player
A win for Madrid who get the sweet deal they wanted

Bizarrely the only party here that loses are United and we probably never had a single thing to do with it, and its only a loss for us because our fans are gullible and believe everything they read
 

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For what it was would a buy-back have even been the worst idea in the world? We need competition for Shaw, or at the very least someone who can provide adequate cover when he's injured.

The options for good available left backs are thin on the ground. Is it really worse to sign a player who can potentially do well for us and go back to Madrid in a couple of years than watch Brandon Williams stink it up for 10-15 games next season?
 

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Exactly. Interested but not willing to pull the trigger for whatever reason. All of a sudden United are 'close' and Spurs have agreed to all of Madrids demands.

These twitter experts get information from agents and not clubs. Im not saying that Spurs have been played here, because you wanted the player, but you have more than likely been manipulated into closing this deal.

A win for the agent who gets paid
A win for the twitter gangs credibility
A win for Spurs fans who can boast that they beat United to a player
A win for Madrid who get the sweet deal they wanted

Bizarrely the only party here that loses are United and we probably never had a single thing to do with it, and its only a loss for us because our fans are gullible and believe everything they read
Yeah I can see that, sometimes Levy needs a push :lol:.
 

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They made a lot of money on morata in a similar way.
It's easy to make a lot of money on a striker doing well in CL with Juventus though. But Reguilon's value, as good as he might turn out to be, won't be much higher than 40m euros.

Also, Zidane already has Mendy for that slot and seems to be in love with youngster Miguel Gutierrez, one of the biggest prospects from the academy in recent times. The way I see things now I don't see a place for Reguilon at Real Madrid in the future.
 
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