She'd be on benefits for the rest of her existence. Nobody will employ her.I'm never a fan of condemning someone for the actions of when they were a youth. I don't think letting her in will deter anyone from going over there if they really wanted to. Hardly make rational decisions when brainwashed.
No idea what we would do with her if she came back though.
That last sentence is a very good point.When I first read this I felt that she had given up any supposed rights to be British and shouldn't be accorded any assistance. Then again compassion is possibly the only thing that will demonstrate how different we are as a people.
Well I imagine she will be prosecuted, I'm just not sure on what charges.She'd be on benefits for the rest of her existence. Nobody will employ her.
Besides, it's not about deterring others from leaving to go over there, in fact I'd rather they did leave if they're of that mindset. But they should not be allowed back in under any circumstances.
I read that the sentencing for terrorism has risen to 15 years. Not sure exactly what that means because it seems outrageous to me. It's not long enough imo, we're too soft.I don't think the government should be able to ban British citizens from entering Britain. That's not to say the government has to try to rescue her from whatever situation she finds herself in.
If she does manage to make it back, she should be prosecuted under British law.
What’s “terrorism” anyway? If someone actually killed someone (or helped kill someone) while acting as a terrorist, then they’d be sent down for murder (or conspiring to commit murder) which has much higher sentences. What’s the crime you’re thinking about that carries a 15 year sentence?I read that the sentencing for terrorism has risen to 15 years. Not sure exactly what that means because it seems outrageous to me. It's not long enough imo, we're too soft.
Can anybody explain this? She'd be facing a maximum 15 years sentence, which will be half in all likelihood?
is she a citizen?I would love to know that rational logic / thought process of those 16% thinking she should be allowed to return.
I looked it up and it's explained here...What’s “terrorism” anyway? If someone actually killed someone (or helped kill someone) while acting as a terrorist, then they’d be sent down for murder (or conspiring to commit murder) which has much higher sentences. What’s the crime you’re thinking about that carries a 15 year sentence?
When I first read this I felt that she had given up any supposed rights to be British and shouldn't be accorded any assistance. Then again compassion is possibly the only thing that will demonstrate how different we are as a people.
But why? Is compassion a trait of a certain country, race, culture or society? I'm pretty sure we can agree it's not, so it's a strange hill to die on. Or use as prime criterion of self-definition.That last sentence is a very good point.
She most likely wouldn't be returning, which she has hinted at herself, if ISIS weren't on the brink of extinction,If she's unrepentant and has sympathy for ISIS then I have zero sympathy for her if we tell her to feck off or throw her in jail.
Pretty much this.I don't think the government should be able to ban British citizens from entering Britain. That's not to say the government has to try to rescue her from whatever situation she finds herself in.
If she does manage to make it back, she should be prosecuted under British law.
Ok, interesting. Looks as though there’s a bunch of different charges that any one individual could be accused of, even if they never do anything violent. Each of which carries up to a 15 year jail term. That would add up pretty quickly. Seems appropriate enough to me.I looked it up and it's explained here...
https://assets.publishing.service.g...19-02-11_Criminal_Sentences_Fact_Sheet_RA.pdf
We can't prove anything she did out there, so in all likelihood she'll be charged with the minimum associated with terrorism. By the looks of it she'd be out of prison around her mid 20's.Well I imagine she will be prosecuted, I'm just not sure on what charges.
She's a British citizen, so she should be able to willingly surrender herself. Whether or not we actually go out and get her is another discussion.
Basically she's asking to come back but she's not even being mildly diplomatic about it. She's not even trying to feign regret for her actions that directly and indirectly cost the lives of people, including those of her own kids'.She most likely wouldn't be returning, which she has hinted at herself, if ISIS weren't on the brink of extinction,
Compassion is the opportunity to respond to suffering and hardship with kindness, understanding or tolerance rather than hate, revulsion, anger or fear. Compassion is the possibility to connect across cultures or religion. It's a chance to display our difference to a culture that is built on or promotes hatred and shunning.But why? Is compassion a trait of a certain country, race, culture or society? I'm pretty sure we can agree it's not, so it's a strange hill to die on. Or use as prime criterion of self-definition.
And showing compassion to someone who not only sees you as enemy, but has no remorse and is only actively looking to take advantage of you?! I'm not even sure that's a desirable human trait at all.
In this case though, wouldn't 'Failure to disclose acts of terrorism' be the only charge that you could bring to her? Depends how this is applied, but I've not heard about her attempting to recruit etc. So 5-10 years if so. It just doesn't seem long enough to me.Ok, interesting. Looks as though there’s a bunch of different charges that any one individual could be accused of, even if they never do anything violent. Each of which carries up to a 15 year jail term. That would add up pretty quickly. Seems appropriate enough to me.
Pardon my cynicism, but life is neither a novel nor as black and white as you make it sound. There isn't only compassion and hate/revulsion. One, or the other. Only Sith deal in absolutes.Compassion is the opportunity to respond to suffering and hardship with kindness, understanding or tolerance rather than hate, revulsion, anger or fear. Compassion is the possibility to connect across cultures or religion. It's a chance to display our difference to a culture that is built or promotes hatred and shunning.
Obviously this is costing you too much effort if you are going to try and suggest that compassion is black or white. It takes a bit of effort, true, so much more than simply deciding not to care. I don't know if we should grant her any help. I just feel that we should give a human being the time of day.Pardon my cynicism, but life is neither a novel nor as black and white as you make it sound. There isn't only compassion and hate/revulsion. One, or the other. Only Sith deal in absolutes.
And applying a single feeling or with the same intensity to everything is neither good nor helpful. Empathy is a good human trait, yet you can't feel the same level of empathy about every person in the world like you do for you family. It's not even feasible. You would mourn every single death. Showing compassion to somebody who wants to destroy you is not helpful, it's harmful.
You don't have to feel hatred or revulsion, you can simply not care.
To be fair the raising of the child will happen that way anyway. Would you not be better to bring her back with child and try to help educate both?Basically she's asking to come back but she's not even being mildly diplomatic about it. She's not even trying to feign regret for her actions that directly and indirectly cost the lives of people, including those of her own kids'.
She's basically said "I hate you all and I'm cool with people dying indiscriminately and people's heads rolling on streets... but I want you to pay for the healthcare and education of my kid who I'll then teach to hate you all too."
Yeah, feck off.
That's kind of where I stand on it, having done a bit more reading & thinking about it a bit. If she'd been found two years ago in a safe country/location & was wholly repentant and willing to accept she's made a mistake, then bringing her back wouldn't even be a discussion, as the overwhelming majority of people, myself included) would want to bring her back.I think the fact she's completely unrepentant kills any chance of forgiveness.
It's the law. That and her baby is a British citizen.I would love to know that rational logic / thought process of those 16% thinking she should be allowed to return.
