Well if it went to a charge then presumably the recording will be listened to by more ears which you’d have to assume would not reflect well on the FA.
Shaw confirms ref bottled the penalty
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
That's a strange interpretation of moving on when your club's website mentioned it the day before the return fixture 3 months later
That's a strange interpretation of moving on when your club's website mentioned it the day before the return fixture 3 months later
True the ironyWas he even aware of what he was saying himself?
Since so much fuss is being made about this one why not bring that up as well while we are at it, you know the one that didn't even get the courtesy of a VAR check?That's a strange interpretation of moving on when your club's website mentioned it the day before the return fixture 3 months later
I don't remember any Chelsea player going to the press to blab about what the ref said or didn't say. It appears if Mou was right about one thing in his time about United, it was Luke Shaw.
Struggling to understand what this even means.
Read his posts and you will get your answer
Was he even aware of what he was saying himself?
It was mentioned as part of a pre-match report on events that happened in our previous meeting with you guys, cause shock horror it was an event that happened.
Was he even aware of what he was saying himself?
The club and players didn't spend days after that claiming conspiracies, disclosing referee dialogues and managers feigning outrage. That's what I meant by we moved on, didn't say it was forgotten and wiped from memory.
So even you aren't over the Azpili incident!
So much for that last post of yours 
Your club deemed it worthy enough to be mentioned 3 months after the incident itself. That is all I'm saying. If you were over it as a club and a fanbase it would not even be in the footnotes of the conversation. Club previews are some of the most tedious things to read (or at least they are at Utd) but you guys sought fit to mention that incident in the build up to the next game. Utd certainly didn't do that with Drogba's offside goal, or when Luiz was acting a cnut on his debut back in 2011. And they were both much more egregious than a 50/50 challenge, which, if I remember correctly, was repeated at the other end in the same game.
Well didn't Mou claim he actually had to do some thinking for Shaw?Struggling to understand what this even means.
Don't know about you but that seems pretty apt from Mou there considering recent events.
Any chance Mou can offer that service for you?
I'm still waiting for an investigation into why Macheda's handball goal was allowed to stand back a decade or so ago!
To quote the best band to come out of Manchester, "never forget".
To quote the best band to come out of Manchester, "never forget".
Don’t bring up THAT game!
Have Utd or theirs players spent days doing that or did they mention it straight after the game?
“After the game, Lampard said he didn't know why VAR wasn't consulted.
"Yeah, holding is allowed, but headlocks don't go on," he told BBC Match of the Day. "I don't know why VAR didn't take long and there's also a monitor to look at. I think if the referee goes to the monitor he gives a penalty.
"Lets see [how the season goes]. [The unpredictable start is] certainly an affect of teams that went into Europe [at the end of last season]. The lads got hardly any time off and we added new players. I don't like to make excuses, but it's true."
Azpilicueta agreed that the play should have been reviewed.
"I felt arms around my neck and shoulders. The referee can make the decision, the VAR is there [to help]. In any situation the referee takes the main decisions and the monitor is there for him to help. It was 50-50 so why not take 20 seconds to review it?" he said.”
In a different press conference, Lampard said:
"Without a doubt, I'm interested to see what everyone else says,” he said, following October’s draw. “I spoke to the lads about how many penalties they get here, over the last two seasons they're miles ahead in Europe.”
Before our FA Cup Semi Final:
“There is always a human element to VAR, still, and clearly they have to make a decision,” Lampard said. “The confusing thing about some of the recent ones, and the one on Thursday night, is that it’s a very, very clear and obvious decision that was wrong and didn’t get reviewed and changed. A few of those have happened and that is strange. I would like to think that with VAR you have to be level-headed. Some might go against you or not. But we seem to be in a period where, in terms of Manchester United, they’ve got a few in their favour.”
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Lets not forget this incident from same gameSo even you aren't over the Azpili incident!
Your club deemed it worthy enough to be mentioned 3 months after the incident itself. That is all I'm saying. If you were over it as a club and a fanbase it would not even be in the footnotes of the conversation. Club previews are some of the most tedious things to read (or at least they are at Utd) but you guys sought fit to mention that incident in the build up to the next game. Utd certainly didn't do that with Drogba's offside goal, or when Luiz was acting a cnut on his debut back in 2011. And they were both much more egregious than a 50/50 challenge, which, if I remember correctly, was repeated at the other end in the same game.
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Well I actually totally forgot about it until it was mentioned yesterday on a Chelsea fan forum, with the Chelsea fc official pre match report and Shaw having to redact his statement.So even you aren't over the Azpili incident!
Your club deemed it worthy enough to be mentioned 3 months after the incident itself. That is all I'm saying. If you were over it as a club and a fanbase it would not even be in the footnotes of the conversation. Club previews are some of the most tedious things to read (or at least they are at Utd) but you guys sought fit to mention that incident in the build up to the next game. Utd certainly didn't do that with Drogba's offside goal, or when Luiz was acting a cnut on his debut back in 2011. And they were both much more egregious than a 50/50 challenge, which, if I remember correctly, was repeated at the other end in the same game.
My point is, no one dueled on it to claim some rubbish conspiracies, certainly no one from the club unlike Manchester United...that mostly is the realm of fans. You mention past events in pre-match posts for matches between two teams, every one does this even commentators during the game itself. How is a pre-match report on a website even the fans themselves don't read any different?
There was no other controversial incident in that game. None whatsoever.Don’t bring up THAT game!
Shaw and ole not being charged means it is patently obvious they are both telling the truth.
Atwell should never referee again after this but as usual nothing will happen.
Atwell should never referee again after this but as usual nothing will happen.
That was the exact incident I was thinking of. We could easily have mentioned it pre-game on Friday/Saturday, but didn't.
Pro tip: THAT is the definition of being 'over it' @Mount's Goatieson
Actually it's hilarious all the mental gymnastics with "Well what happened in last game will be mentioned in pre game article", they are so classless that they even mentioned our Newcastle game, pointing out nothing incident.That was the exact incident I was thinking of. We could easily have mentioned it pre-game on Friday/Saturday, but didn't.
Pro tip: THAT is the definition of being 'over it' @Mount's Goatieson
That shouldn't be allowed.Actually it's hilarious all the mental gymnastics with "Well what happened in last game will be mentioned in pre game article", they are so classless that they even mentioned our Newcastle game, pointing out nothing incident.
Just small time from Chelsea, you’d think they’d be over it but apparently not.Actually it's hilarious all the mental gymnastics with "Well what happened in last game will be mentioned in pre game article", they are so classless that they even mentioned our Newcastle game, pointing out nothing incident.
I was going to mention this but I swear I was going crazy and that didn’t happen.
I tried, not very hard, but i tried, to find a clip of this yesterday, but couldn’t find it. Anyone got a clip of this?
There is a thread for that on caf.
Not really. There is a thread where the full games are posted, but that isn’t a clip of the incident between Fred and Mount. But thanks for helping.
There is a thread for that incident alone.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mason-mount’s-kick-out-at-fred.461195/
Thank you. Didn’t even consider it an option to look in the general football thread, as it was an incident in a United game. My bad 
But who can forget the penalty against us for hitting Carrick’s hand in 2008!
If this was given, then Sunday’s was a 100% penalt.
If this was given, then Sunday’s was a 100% penalt.
Any chance Mou can offer that service for you?
Probably because no match official admitted he only didn't give it because he didn't want a fuss...
Nothing to see. Just look the other way. Everything is fine. Just close your eyes when you see wrongdoing.
Did you? You club hade some sort of victim mentality on the official site.
The amount of WUMing I continue to see from oppo fans is astonishing. From the scousers, the rent boys, the German "Protect the Bundesliga" Association, Leicester fans since we started going for Maguire, Spurs fans since they had a few good years under Pochettino.
It would be a glorious day when we are back on top and make no mistake about it - we'd make it damn sure that nobody forgets that moment.
From the scousers, the rent boys, the German "Protect the Bundesliga" Association, Leicester fans since we started going for Maguire, Spurs fans since they had a few good years under Pochettino.It would be a glorious day when we are back on top and make no mistake about it - we'd make it damn sure that nobody forgets that moment.
Thanks for clarifying. I disagree that we only have ourselves to blame for not getting 3 points though. The referee also has to take some responsibility for not giving us what we should have been given i.e. a pretty straight forward chance to score. Having a 1 - 0 lead in what was always going to be a tight game between top 4 (6?) rivals are often crucial. They always have been over the years and even Shitteh this year, the dippers last year, had games where they weren’t on it but a decision or a pen kept their momentum going.
The shite decisions we’ve seen over the last 6 weeks or so have done the opposite. They’ve really cost us in terms of results and points. Yeah, we are over 12 points behind our neighbors now but we almost certainly would have been closer but for a couple of shocking decisions in the space of a few games.
As I’ve said in a previous post, you can moan about mentality, brushing it off etc but momentum plays a big part of the winning psyche...we have been badly derailed.
I don’t disagree about not putting enough pressure on though...that is one of my pet hates too. We have to start challenging more and bringing fouls against our players to the refs attention...we are too nice too often...