Bondi77
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He is a really good option for England as he can also play in the LCB role and Southgate prefers the ball playing backs.
He won POTY despite Pogba scoring most goals, doing most assist among other stats. He has never been underrated, maybe for a short spell this season. The problem is that people rate him as an LB when he has been playing well as an LCB. He's still not good enough going forward and will probably never be. That's, of course, a big problem.Meh shaw has been underrated for ages, I’ve said for time that he’s certainly no worse than Chillwell (in fact I think he’s better)
He did and most people don't even know he won it or acknowledge that he had a good season, id say that makes him underrated.He won POTY despite Pogba scoring most goals, doing most assist among other stats. He has never been underrated, maybe for a short spell this season. The problem is that people rate him as an LB when he has been playing well as an LCB. He's still not good enough going forward and will probably never be. That's, of course, a big problem.
If he got the most votes by all our players (despite, quite clearly, Pogba was better) I'd say then that he is per definition not underrated.He did and most people don't even know he won it or acknowledge that he had a good season, id say that makes him underrated.
I think with Shaw it was probably a case of too much to soon, a full England international and a move to the biggest club in the Country by the age of 18 and he just hasn't felt the need to develop his game, the Managers/Coaches can only do so much and they've obviously tried, Mourinho went too far mentally destroying him, but that's Jose for you, but for me his positional sense/game understanding hasn't improved, nor has he developed the side of his game that brought him to everybodies attention so young, his pace and power, since he first came to the club nearly six years ago with the World literally at his feet and that's on Shaw, and it's shocking, I think the lad is taking the piss and has been allowed to with so many of our fans/pundits alike cutting him slack because of an injury from Sept 2015!the lad has got the goods but is way behind in terms of development. As acknowledged, is seriously lacking in end product and has been awol umpteen times while his head takes a holiday whilst dreaming about meat pies. Often clueless who is supposed to be marking but maybe on the mend?
If you genuinely think that Shaw lacks pace, I genuinely don't believe you've seen him play.Shaw commits too many fouls and picks up too many cautions resulting from poor positioning and lack of pace. Shaw has also abandoned the attacking third for the past few seasons, although he's recently been more adventurous.
I'd say AWB is a much better defender and Williams is a much better attacker. Williams being a lot younger has time to add to his positional awareness and reading of the game. It's a perfect situation though, as Shaw ages and begins to slow down, Williams will be ready to take over duties from Shaw.
Nah,I think your being very harsh.Honestly maybe it’s just me but I don’t see anything special in Brandon Williams.At times it feels like he’s a headless chicken,he doesn’t have the composure that the top defenders have.Luke has been terribly unlucky with injuries over the years and that’s obviously stalled his development.Yeah, just wondered why you were using it to describe Like Shaw, who isn't gifted or exceptionally talented. Beyond pace and bulk he is very limited with little to no game understanding.
Not sure about his short passing but his touch is sublime. Kills the ball instantly while under pressure.Shaw's first touch and short passing has to be top 3 in United squad surely.
Depends what you look for in a full-back, personally prefer an auxiliary winger who has a basic grasp of defensive positioning that a solid reliable defender who offers little or nothing going forward as is the case with Shaw, and how long can we use injuries in defence of Shaw, I know all injuries are different, and some players take longer to get their game back, but if you'd seen the injury Valencia got against Rangers you'd have thought at the time he might never walk properly again nevermind play yet within 7 months he was back better than before, Wes Brown another one, yet folk are still defending Shaw because of an injury from nearly 5 years ago, I just don't get it.Nah,I think your being very harsh.Honestly maybe it’s just me but I don’t see anything special in Brandon Williams.At times it feels like he’s a headless chicken,he doesn’t have the composure that the top defenders have.Luke has been terribly unlucky with injuries over the years and that’s obviously stalled his development.
His quick turn of pace,his attacking ability,his quality on the ball could turn him into a great LB if he stays fit.I just hope we get to see him play week in,week out for atleast the next few months...
Shaw is caught on his heels every game. Go back and watch every time he gets a yellow card, it's because he got done for pace and/or didn't have his feet sorted out and had to pull back the attacker or block them off. I'm not talking about 100 yard dash or whatever. In either case, Williams is much faster.If you genuinely think that Shaw lacks pace, I genuinely don't believe you've seen him play.
Is that because of pace or placement of him or of someone else?Shaw is caught on his heels every game. Go back and watch every time he gets a yellow card, it's because he got done for pace and/or didn't have his feet sorted out and had to pull back the attacker or block them off. I'm not talking about 100 yard dash or whatever. In either case, Williams is much faster.
Shaw was probably worthy of your criticism last season,and at times during the start of this season.But his performances have improved significantly over the last 2 months.He looked very impressive against City and I can clearly see some consistency in his game.I think the next 12 months is going to be pivotal for his United career.Depends what you look for in a full-back, personally prefer an auxiliary winger who has a basic grasp of defensive positioning that a solid reliable defender who offers little or nothing going forward as is the case with Shaw, and how long can we use injuries in defence of Shaw, I know all injuries are different, and some players take longer to get their game back, but if you'd seen the injury Valencia got against Rangers you'd have thought at the time he might never walk properly again nevermind play yet within 7 months he was back better than before, Wes Brown another one, yet folk are still defending Shaw because of an injury from nearly 5 years ago, I just don't get it.
He has improved but lets be honest he couldn't have got worse and it's only because he's being seriously pushed by Williams for his position, but even with his vast experience(for his age)he's still far too easy to play against at fullback, get him static and he's far too easily beat on either side.In stride defensively no problem.Shaw was probably worthy of your criticism last season,and at times during the start of this season.But his performances have improved significantly over the last 2 months.He looked very impressive against City and I can clearly see some consistency in his game.I think the next 12 months is going to be pivotal for his United career.
If he continues to get bogged down by injuries or if his performances dip again,then he”ll obviously be in trouble.But hopefully he’s turned a corner over these last few months...
I don't know. It looks to me like Shaw thinks he will be able to turn and catch up to the attacker but then realizes too late the attacker is going to leave him for dead.Is that because of pace or placement of him or of someone else?
I think you will find few who agree that Shaw lacks pace. He’s a little slow on the turn, but he’s easily beaten Salah for pace on a few occasions. His top speed and thus recovery speed is probably amongst the best in the team. He leaves too much space in behind him, however, and he isn’t great at closing down the attacker, so therefore too many crosses coming in from his side.Shaw is caught on his heels every game. Go back and watch every time he gets a yellow card, it's because he got done for pace and/or didn't have his feet sorted out and had to pull back the attacker or block them off. I'm not talking about 100 yard dash or whatever. In either case, Williams is much faster.
There are times it almost feels the opposite. I remember in one of our last games he easily had the attacker beat for pace if he'd just gone down the outside as he raced back, but instead he came in right behind the attacker and bought him down.I don't know. It looks to me like Shaw thinks he will be able to turn and catch up to the attacker but then realizes too late the attacker is going to leave him for dead.
Not sure what it is then. You and Rossa above you could be right, or I'm not expressing it clearly. My view is that something in Shaw's game causes him to be chasing attackers when he should be stopping them while facing them. If he catches up to them and tackles them, maybe that means he does have pace. I see it as a flaw in the way he plays, and when I see him running after someone who just ghosted around him, it's a problem. Not looking for an argument. I like Shaw, I just like Williams better. Stay safe.There are times it almost feels the opposite. I remember in one of our last games he easily had the attacker beat for pace if he'd just gone down the outside as he raced back, but instead he came in right behind the attacker and bought him down.
Agree. However, if Williams works hard on those things you mention he will soon be pushing very hard for Shaws place. Huge potential in that kid.Williams is only better in the attacking threat where he is much more fluid with his movement when going forward & better crosser. However, others things such as passing, touch, composure or even defending, Shaw is the better player.
The way he keeps possession as well. Shaw is one of the better LB's in the PL.He is on different level comparing with our other full backs. We have amazing full back and we are still not aware how good he is.
Exactly. I wrote about that in some other threads. United fans (maybe other fans also but i can't talk about that) have unique approach to players:The way he keeps possession as well. Shaw is one of the better LB's in the PL.
Yep, I agree.Exactly. I wrote about that in some other threads. United fans (maybe other fans also but i can't talk about that) have unique approach to players:
Stage one; " ooo, shiny new toy. I like. World class. Best player in PL"
Stage two: " Hm, he has flaws"
Stage three: " Get rid, not good enough, give me new shiny toy".
As i said way ago. There are only few fb who are clearly better then Shaw. And they would cost a fortune. Only reason before this season i was in dilemma about Shaw is his injury history. Bit this year he was good regarding that. 2 minor injuries as i recallYep, I agree.
LB is probably the position we have to look at last. Williams is developing and can do a job there, there is no point wasting valuable funds on a LB at the moment.
We have a limited budget, why spend £20/30m on a LB who wont be better than Shaw?
I could not agree more, mate. A few of us have been saying the same for a long, long time.Now we all can see how this guy is important for us. In defence and attack. Especially we can see how his attacking play is underrated.
Lots of fans rate attacking play of full backs by how much and good they cross the ball and how many times they run down the wing but Shaw's biggest strength is that he is for full back excellent on the ball and because of that we have a player who can link good with midfielders.
He is on different level comparing with our other full backs. We have amazing full back and we are still not aware how good he is.
Absolutely. One on one AWB is the best in league and there is no winger who he can't stop. But overall Shaw is better defender for me also.I could not agree more, mate. A few of us have been saying the same for a long, long time.
Also, as unpopular as this opinion might be, I think he's better defensively than Spider-Man, too. AWB obviously has the edge in 1v1s but Shaw, imo, is better at everything else. Better positioning, better at covering his CB if they (Maguire) is out of position, and is a lot better in the air.
Shaw's aerial game is severely underrated. He always wins his headers at the back post, and it's not just that he gets his head on the ball, he manages to always aim said header away from danger, too. I think his technical quality is underrated as well (he has one of the best first touches in the league), but his aerial game hardly ever gets the praise it deserves.