Shea Lacey

Demaw said:
Then you see Doue at PSG and you realise our kids are good, but nowhere near the level many young players are at.
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Environmental factors. How would these lads do around a different set of senior players than ones that casually finished 15th
 
Scholsey2004 said:
I think his talent is obvious. Physically he needs to develop though. He looked very small next to Fernandes who isn't a giant or a muscle-man. I'm more confident he's on the conveyor belt now though. He might get the odd appearance next season like Amass has had this season.
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Yeah I think a year with the U21s will do him good, he's only just turned 18 so no need to rush him when he's had injury problems. Maybe he'll have 1 more growth spurt
 
Zed is not dead said:
I think the part where you are wrong is assuming « many » young players are at that level.
There are maybe less than a dozen U20 players already playing at high level in Europe.

You’re comparing wonderkids with academy players
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Not just that, not everyone develops at the same rate. For every Rooney, Lamal or Doue you've got a Bergkamp, De Bruyne, Salah etc who take time to reach their full potential
 
Picked up another bad injury apparently
 
Poor lad, hopefully it's not too long out again.
 
If true, that's a real shame. I know these things are not always the same for all players, but I struggle to see how he makes it at United now. He has missed so much football for the last two seasons with injuries. He really needed a good full season on the pitch to continue his development.
 
Ah that’s terrible news. Hopefully he recovers and kicks on but the injuries are piling up at this point.
 
saik said:
If true, that's a real shame. I know these things are not always the same for all players, but I struggle to see how he makes it at United now. He has missed so much football for the last two seasons with injuries. He really needed a good full season on the pitch to continue his development.
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I share the concern but at the same time Fredricsson vanished for 2 years after the Youth Cup semi final and i'd say he's on the verge of the team. Mctominay did the same for different reasons.

I guess it depends on the nature of the injury and whether it will have any impact on his long term pace and agility.
 
VDG17 said:
I share the concern but at the same time Fredricsson vanished for 2 years after the Youth Cup semi final and i'd say he's on the verge of the team. Mctominay did the same for different reasons.

I guess it depends on the nature of the injury and whether it will have any impact on his long term pace and agility.
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You get away with being composed, decent and if needed physical in those positions though.

As an attacker you need to create and produce, you really need to stand out to make it I feel.

Even Amad struggled with that in his first few opportunities in pre-season etc.
 
It's been kept very quiet on what injury Shea Lacey has. Hopefully it isn't too bad as i see him in and around the 1st team this season. It appeared he was flying it preseason. Amorim rates him very highly,
 
These "<insert youngster's name> is ready" expectations are damaging us

We don't have any Lamine Yamals to play with men at 17, and EPL is tougher than La Liga, anyway

We shouldnt be giving any of our youngsters senior team minutes before sending them to Chanpionship for at least a year.

We rush them and most of them either end up being sold for peanuts to shit clubs, or struggle on our bench for pointless years
 
NewGlory said:
These "<insert youngster's name> is ready" expectations are damaging us

We don't have any Lamine Yamals to play with men at 17, and EPL is tougher than La Liga, anyway

We shouldnt be giving any of our youngsters senior team minutes before sending them to Chanpionship for at least a year.

We rush them and most of them either end up being sold for peanuts to shit clubs, or struggle on our bench for pointless years
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Right, just like we sent Mainoo, Garnacho, Rashford, McTominay and Greenwood away? Even Heaven who isn't our youth player, wasn't sent away to the Championship first.

It is all case-dependent.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Right, just like we sent Mainoo, Garnacho, Rashford, McTominay and Greenwood away? Even Heaven who isn't our youth player, wasn't sent away to the Championship first.

It is all case-dependent.
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You do realize none of these players are exactly smash success stories, at least - not for United, right?
 
They are clear examples of players who broke through and established themselves at first team level without a lower level loan. That most of them haven't ultimately (or yet) become long-term mainstays doesn't change that fact. And if Rashford with 400+ appearances and 138 goals doesn't count as a success story then very few players anywhere will do.
 
NewGlory said:
You do realize none of these players are exactly smash success stories, at least - not for United, right?
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That's a facile argument - Mainoo, Greenwood, and Rashford are all England internationals. Greenwood, were it not for his being a despicable pos, would be playing for us regularly. Rashford just signed for Barcelona, made over 250 first team appearances for United and wasn't too far off 100 goals. McTominay just won the scudetto and player of the season in Serie A, and before that played well over 150 times for United. They're all success stories (Greenwood apart, and that has nothing to do with his footballing ability).
 
NewGlory said:
You do realize none of these players are exactly smash success stories, at least - not for United, right?
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That's one of the stupidest posts I've read on here. Rashford even if he retires tomorrow is by every metric a "smash" success story for Carrington.
 
NewGlory said:
You do realize none of these players are exactly smash success stories, at least - not for United, right?
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Garnacho probably the only one who you could argue isn’t. Mainoo bit early to judge.

Rashford is undoubtedly a success story.

The one who shall not be named I will just exclude because the negative is not football related and he is clearly one of the biggest talents in football.
 
Cassidy said:
Garnacho probably the only one who you could argue isn’t. Mainoo bit early to judge.

Rashford is undoubtedly a success story.

The one who shall not be named I will just exclude because the negative is not football related and he is clearly one of the biggest talents in football.
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I'd say Garnacho is, even if he's got attitude issues we're about to get £40m/£50m for him and he played a crucial part in our FA Cup win, can't ask for much more than that.
 
AltiUn said:
I'd say Garnacho is, even if he's got attitude issues we're about to get £40m/£50m for him and he played a crucial part in our FA Cup win, can't ask for much more than that.
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Agree to be honest
 
His injury history at such a young age is worrying. This keeps going on and unfortunately its hard to see him having a career at all at the top level
 
SecondFig said:
That's a facile argument - Mainoo, Greenwood, and Rashford are all England internationals. Greenwood, were it not for his being a despicable pos, would be playing for us regularly. Rashford just signed for Barcelona, made over 250 first team appearances for United and wasn't too far off 100 goals. McTominay just won the scudetto and player of the season in Serie A, and before that played well over 150 times for United. They're all success stories (Greenwood apart, and that has nothing to do with his footballing ability).
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you clearly didnt read "at least - not for United" part, did you?
 
AjaxCunian said:
Right, just like we sent Mainoo, Garnacho, Rashford, McTominay and Greenwood away? Even Heaven who isn't our youth player, wasn't sent away to the Championship first.

It is all case-dependent.
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It is all case dependent, and Lacey is simply not on the same level as a prospect as Mainoo and Greenwood, or even Rashford and Garnacho for that matter. Greenwood and Mainoo made grown men look like kids as teenagers, and when prospects are at that level, they'll be given a chance with the senior team because the coaches see how out of place they look playing against U18/U23. If Lacey was at that level, we'd know, and he wouldn't be loaned out.
 
Berggy20913 said:
It is all case dependent, and Lacey is simply not on the same level as a prospect as Mainoo and Greenwood, or even Rashford and Garnacho for that matter. Greenwood and Mainoo made grown men look like kids as teenagers, and when prospects are at that level, they'll be given a chance with the senior team because the coaches see how out of place they look playing against U18/U23. If Lacey was at that level, we'd know, and he wouldn't be loaned out.
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Have I missed something, I didn't know lacey was being loaned out.
 
It's clear Shea Lacey picked up an injury while training with the 1st team during the preseason. Amorim had planned to bring him on tour, following the injury he picked Williams to travel. Lacey still has plenty of time to make it at United as he's highly rated by the manager and coaches. Hopefully the injury isn't too serious as I see Shea being intergerated into the squad this season and going on loan in January.
 
euv2 said:


Good to see him back and doing well.
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Great goal. The assist and performance against City and now this performance. Hopefully, it continues and he stays injury free.

This guy definitely belongs in the PL once his injury concerns are behind him.
 
sglowrider said:
Hope Shea and Amir have growth spurts soon.
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Think he already has, doesnt look visibly shorter than others anymore and transfermarkt has him at 1.82m. Don't think he should grow much taller than that.

He'd be taller than Bruno (1.79) and Greenwood (1.81) if that data can be trusted.

He's a huge talent and sometimes because of his injuries I forget about him. Just so unfortunate.

Reaslistically though, he is 18 now and has about 2 seasons I think to break into the first team with Amad and Mbeumo in front of him. Unless he breaks through as a CAM/LCAM depending on if Amorim is still here.

He seems hard working and talented enough to make it as a PL player somewhere at the very least.. just these darn injuries.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Think he already has, doesnt look visibly shorter than others anymore and transfermarkt has him at 1.82m. Don't think he should grow much taller than that.

He'd be taller than Bruno (1.79) and Greenwood (1.81) if that data can be trusted.

He's a huge talent and sometimes because of his injuries I forget about him. Just so unfortunate.

Reaslistically though, he is 18 now and has about 2 seasons I think to break into the first team with Amad and Mbeumo in front of him. Unless he breaks through as a CAM/LCAM depending on if Amorim is still here.

He seems hard working and talented enough to make it as a PL player somewhere at the very least.. just these darn injuries.
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He definitely looks visibily taller than when I last saw him, but I think we'll need to see relative to the 1st team rather than youth teams. He should be fine, but he will need regular football, so he realisitcally needs to have a lot of games this season and probably a loan - unless he immediately takes to mens football.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Think he already has, doesnt look visibly shorter than others anymore and transfermarkt has him at 1.82m. Don't think he should grow much taller than that.

He'd be taller than Bruno (1.79) and Greenwood (1.81) if that data can be trusted.

He's a huge talent and sometimes because of his injuries I forget about him. Just so unfortunate.

Reaslistically though, he is 18 now and has about 2 seasons I think to break into the first team with Amad and Mbeumo in front of him. Unless he breaks through as a CAM/LCAM depending on if Amorim is still here.

He seems hard working and talented enough to make it as a PL player somewhere at the very least.. just these darn injuries.
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Its a shame about his run of bad luck/injuries. Hopefully he gets it out of the way, and then he can really kick on for a place in the 1st team squad in a season or two after re-inventing himself in a different position than what he is playing at the moment.

I saw the 1.82m stat earlier -- didnt quite believe it. There are other numbers being thrown about incl 1.67m on his wiki! He is definitely thicker around the shoulders.
 
AjaxCunian said:
Think he already has, doesnt look visibly shorter than others anymore and transfermarkt has him at 1.82m. Don't think he should grow much taller than that.

He'd be taller than Bruno (1.79) and Greenwood (1.81) if that data can be trusted.

He's a huge talent and sometimes because of his injuries I forget about him. Just so unfortunate.

Reaslistically though, he is 18 now and has about 2 seasons I think to break into the first team with Amad and Mbeumo in front of him. Unless he breaks through as a CAM/LCAM depending on if Amorim is still here.

He seems hard working and talented enough to make it as a PL player somewhere at the very least.. just these darn injuries.
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He has visibly grown from last year, but no way is he 1.82m. He still looked much smaller than the City defenders and he is clearly much shorter than the Fletcher twins who are about 1.80m.

I would guess he is slightly shorter than Amad who is 1.73m.

Beyond height what i would really hope he develops is that initial burst of acceleration to beat his man at the senior level. Right now, he depends greatly on trickery and surprise. Amad developed that acceleration over time too.
 
sglowrider said:
Its a shame about his run of bad luck/injuries. Hopefully he gets it out of the way, and then he can really kick on for a place in the 1st team squad in a season or two after re-inventing himself in a different position than what he is playing at the moment.

I saw the 1.82m stat earlier -- didnt quite believe it. There are other numbers being thrown about incl 1.67m on his wiki! He is definitely thicker around the shoulders.
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Yes. Somewhere between 1.65m and 1.70m seems about right. At 18 he is not growing to grow much taller, so the hope is that his skill and IQ continue to be top tier while he develops some speed or acceleration.
 
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