Based on? Don't recognise that in his game at all, even for the U21's so far this season at his tender age of 17.
Shea Lacey
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Based on watching him.
Still finding his feet at u21s level, which is understandable given his young age but indicates patience is necessary
Good performance against a senior team, was the best player for United, Obi a close 2nd.
I'd have Obi and Jack Fletcher over him tonight.
Was lively and got into a lot of good positions but ultimately didn't do much with it most of the time and the passing from the midfield to find him in acres of space so often was more impressive. As always these videos don't show the touches straight out of bounds or his cross field passes which never found a teammate. His two shots I don't think would trouble any keeper and his crosses never found a man either. I was most impressed with his physicality and ability to handle challenges actually. But I wouldn't say he came away from tonight having bested his man, Ogbeta had a good match actually.
Tyler Fletcher and Jacob Devaney were good before the sending off too.
Was lively and got into a lot of good positions but ultimately didn't do much with it most of the time and the passing from the midfield to find him in acres of space so often was more impressive. As always these videos don't show the touches straight out of bounds or his cross field passes which never found a teammate. His two shots I don't think would trouble any keeper and his crosses never found a man either. I was most impressed with his physicality and ability to handle challenges actually. But I wouldn't say he came away from tonight having bested his man, Ogbeta had a good match actually.
Tyler Fletcher and Jacob Devaney were good before the sending off too.
Think he will be on first team bench during African nations when Amad and Mbuemo are gone.
I think he's doing the same thing that Garnacho was doing before he debuted, he became obsessed with trying to score and he did and got a shot at the 1st team. I think Shea is probably feeling he needs to produce results in order to have a shot this season in debuting, especially if the whole right starting right side is going to be out for AFCON
Jesus I read this before watching the video above. Made watching the video of this kid playing against men, mightily more impressive.
That’s some class performance wrapped up in an ultra negative agenda post.
I watched the ten minute highlights on youtube. He did well to create the goal for Chido and made decent openings for himself. He continues to impress and does seem a first team chance this season is on the agenda.
Nah, I wouldn’t say that. I remember a Garnacho performance for the u18s where he made 3 passes in over 60 minutes, refusing to ever pass the ball until absolutely necessary. Lacey never does that. He looks for teammates and openings, last night they just rarely came off.
Ultra negative agenda post
Lacey is probably my favourite player. It just wasn’t a great performance and he wasn’t the best player. I know this because I actually watched the match, you should try it some time.David McGoldrick was the only really class performance last night.
I disagree about Jack Fletcher, for me didn't influence the game enough, plays it a bit too safe most of the time and his control in tight spaces is awkward to say the least, a couple of shots and a nice long range pass doesn't change that, if he's going to make it here, he simply has to do more, it's another reason why the club is shifting him around in multiple positions, he has yet to dominate. Same goes for Mantato, another player who played it a bit too safe, albeit out of position. I'd rather see players try and fail, Lacey at least made space for himself and got his shots off, won the ball and got an assist that's more than you could say about the others.
Who in this team generates threat? Besides Lacey, it's mostly Obi. There's a reason the team constantly tries to find Lacey and not Jack. The rest of them do not show enough personality in attack. Lacey's shooting was really poor tonight though, should have scored a goal.
Where does Lacey fit in this system I wonder. Does it have to be Mbuemos position? Imagine it would be a massive waste of his talents to play RWB to fill in for Amad but could he in theory do a job there? Like what Quenda did at Sporting
No, he can't.
The more I thought about it, the more he reminds me of Middlesboro's Juninho.
both short
but different players imo
from memory juninho pre broken leg was quicker and a lot more explosive.
Lacey isnt slow but needs to work on his change of pace a bit
Lacey has big potential though and has the talent to be a premier league player for sure
hopefully at united
There was a report earlier that said Amorim has had multiple one on one conversations with him over the past month or so.
Apparently he'll be getting gametime when Amad and Mbeumo head to AFCON.
Apparently he'll be getting gametime when Amad and Mbeumo head to AFCON.
He scored tonight
Good to know which young prospect we need to hype up and then shit all over when he doesn't live up to our unrealistic expectations.
Didn't seem to be blatant showing off. He made a last ditch attempt to keep the ball in play.
What's nice to see is this is a joined up plan across the club to prepare us for AFCON and giving prospects a chance. I hope he grabs the opportunity with both hands.
Let’s just skip the middle part and sell him to Chelsea allready!
What is this, we are all calm and collected on here.
I do feel these sorts of highlights only matter if they put a good cross in after the fact.
I’m hopeful and excited to see him in the first team if he is asked to make a step up during AFCON.
We have a lot of really talented youth players who seem to be maybe like two years off properly knocking on the door of the first team so it’s really important we get Europe next year purely to have to rotate the squad and give them the platform to do that.
I saw on his Instagram story that the United fans last night were singing 'The White Pele' with his name in place of Rooney's.
I really don’t understand why our u21 doesn’t play the same formation. If he needs to step up when players leave for the Africa Cup he needs to have experience in the 3-4-2-1 system. It took senior players almost a year to get adapted to that. It’s strange we don’t educate younger player in the same system.
This was addressed by Amorim early on... when they are educating players, they don't want players coming through wed to one formation.. they want players that can do the fundamentals correct.
Its easier to teach younger players something new over senior players btw.
I understand that for the youth teams but I don’t understand that for the U21’s, that is the final step-up to the first team. It seems to me you lose time if players don’t play the same system there.
For the youth teams you don’t want to change your ideas for a first team coach who can get sacked when results are poor. The u21’s is easy to adjust to the first team. In the academy you want to educate as many players as possible and get as many talents as possible to make it here or somewhere else.
The u21’s should have 1 goal and 1 purpose, step-up to the first team and make that transition from the academy to the first team as easy as possible. That includes playing the same style in the u21’s.
What will wingers in the U21’s become in the first team? Wingbacks or 10’s? Both really different positions than wingers. They need experience in those positions before stepping up to the first team. Training with the first team is fine but they won’t get a game there yet and when they finally get a game they never played in those positions because the games they play in the u21’s is in different positions. Seems strange to me.
The vast majority of them will go on to have careers elsewhere or even go out on loan first. The club probably don't want to damage thier potential moves.
The ones who may make the step up spend a good bit of time training with the first team anyway.
I agree with this. Its why the transition of youth to senior level at places like a Barca often works seamlessly. Even.with those who never become superstars there
It doesn't make a difference... 95% of these players will not be good enough for the first team anyway, so the players that are, extremely talented and can play multiple positions.
The purpose is to get them ready for first team football, not play a certain formation. The players the manager feels are ready, train regularly with the first team and formation anyway, so its not a big issue.
That depends, if the winger is creative they can become a 10.. defensive, they can become wing backs.
Its strange because its Amorim right? but how often do youth players come start in their favoured position? Foden a 10, played on the wing for City.
Greenwood a CF was primarily a RW when he broke in.
Lewis Skelly at Arsenal is a CM playing LWB
Saka broke in at LWB
Nwanyeri broke in at RW not 10.
So I dont see this big issue.
Why only name one team? Barca is completely different, they produce talents yearly, which no other team does.
I agree with what you say, all I’m saying is that I think you can win time and experience if the u21’s play in the same formation and with the same principles. Ofcourse only the talented make it and ofcourse they learn from training with the first team. But in a multi million industry you should get every detail right and the final step of the academy and the education should be the transition to the style and principles of the first team, and that can easily start in the u21’s so you win time and experience.
I could name Bayern. Ajax too etc. City adipted it too. The players grow up playing a certain way. Thus the leap to first team ball even for those who never make it as bonafide stars at those clubs is never jarring. I'm utterly convinced we'd reap even more benefit from our youth than we currently do if we did the same.
Ridiculous. Pele was playing in the world cup at 18.
It's all good fun.
He reminds me of Januzaj.
The principles are the same, not the systems; they will have exposure to a lot of different attacking and defending shapes and different playing positions as part of their development. Flick doesn't play the way the Barcelona youth teams do, nor has Rashford come up that way but it has been a fairly quick and smooth transition for both of them and indeed for anyone coming into Flick's system from the Barcelona youth set ups.
Technical ability coupled with good decision making, if you've got some physical traits to lean on that help you survive then you are most of the way there to make it in any team.