Shea Lacey

NewGlory said:
He didnt get any minutes against Wolves despite the fact that we were winning 4:1 against rock bottom team :(

Tells you everything you need to know about how much Amorim cares (or doesnt) about youth development and how damaging not having cup and Europa games is, despite some thinking it was going to be a blessing

We should have sent our youngsters on loans, at least. Halting their development is criminal
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I think Utd. have carefully managed his progression into the first team because of previous injuries/growth spurts and he is not playing with the U21s at the moment which suggests he is seen as a first team player.

Amorim sees him in training and perhaps there are still a few tactical issues that need to be reinforced.

I would also imagine that we are trying to get the use out of MBuemo while we still have him rather than risk not having any left footed right 10 options at the same time.
 
Mingus said:
I think Utd. have carefully managed his progression into the first team because of previous injuries/growth spurts and he is not playing with the U21s at the moment which suggests he is seen as a first team player.

Amorim sees him in training and perhaps there are still a few tactical issues that need to be reinforced.

I would also imagine that we are trying to get the use out of MBuemo while we still have him rather than risk not having any left footed right 10 options at the same time.
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This shouldn't really be much of an issue while 4-1 up.
 
hellhunter said:
For five minutes as well.

I get not wanting to risk the first very comfortable evening in quite a while, just think the actual risk was minimal
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Yeah. Anyway, I think with how conservative Amorim is as a manager we won't be seeing too many youngster receive any meaningful minutes on the pitch, I don't think this will be priority for him or the board in the upcoming few years though.
 
Sarni said:
Yeah. Anyway, I think with how conservative Amorim is as a manager we won't be seeing too many youngster receive any meaningful minutes on the pitch, I don't think this will be priority for him or the board in the upcoming few years though.
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And yet Heaven started his 2nd game in a row...
 
I'm not too concerned as he'll likely get minutes when a few players head off to the AFCON.

I do like the fact he's in and around the squad and I also don't have a issue with Amorim cautious approach with him. We've been so readily to put, or throw, the kids in-in recent years that I don't think it has done a great deal of good for them.
 
Mingus said:
I think Utd. have carefully managed his progression into the first team because of previous injuries/growth spurts and he is not playing with the U21s at the moment which suggests he is seen as a first team player.

Amorim sees him in training and perhaps there are still a few tactical issues that need to be reinforced.

I would also imagine that we are trying to get the use out of MBuemo while we still have him rather than risk not having any left footed right 10 options at the same time.
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Oh for feck's sake, mate. Come on, be real.

He is a prop. Just a "toy" used to continue the tradition of "we always have a youth player on the bench". What "first team player", are you kidding me? We were winning 4-1 and he wasn't even given 9 minutes in the injury time to say he played senior team. That's what you think "first team player" means?

Not to mention that, these days, it is very rare for somebody to really break into United's first team without getting a meaningful loan to Championship, or another league first where they will be playing many matches and proving themselves. Rashford and McT did go from youth setups directly into senior team, but that was long time ago, when youth and senior teams were much better integrated (we miss you, Nicky Butt) and by managers who were WAY MORE invested in youth promotion than Amorim
 
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I guess we'll see in time. The word is that Amorim really likes him and wants to bring him through while Afcon takes all our left footed right sided players.

Amorim played Amass, Chido Obi, Heaven and Fredricson last season before any of them had been on loan and Heaven's started the last 2 games (I realise he perhaps doesn't qualify as an academy player but he is only 19 so I can't see any prejudice against youth).

You're right though, although we've started a lot of youth players (pre-loans) in the last few years only Mainoo has played regularly. Perhaps that's a sign that we played them too early or shouldn't have played them at all.
 
Mingus said:
I guess we'll see in time. The word is that Amorim really likes him and wants to bring him through while Afcon takes all our left footed right sided players.

Amorim played Amass, Chido Obi, Heaven and Fredricson last season before any of them had been on loan and Heaven's started the last 2 games (I realise he perhaps doesn't qualify as an academy player but he is only 19 so I can't see any prejudice against youth).

You're right though, although we've started a lot of youth players (pre-loans) in the last few years only Mainoo has played regularly. Perhaps that's a sign that we played them too early or shouldn't have played them at all.
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People are just looking for any excuse to criticise the manager.

As I've said before, the same people doing this will be some of the first to make Lacey a scapegoat if he struggles.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
People are just looking for any excuse to criticise the manager.

As I've said before, the same people doing this will be some of the first to make Lacey a scapegoat if he struggles.
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Yeah, because there aren’t enough other reasons to criticise him.
 
Yagami said:
Playing youngsters isn’t what cost us. Unless you’ve wiped Onana from your memory, which is understandable.
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That is partly true, but also few below par performances from our youngsters, only after we sent our best players the game changed. It is unfortunate and not the first time too many changes and inclusion of b-team made our performance suffer.
 
Saw that fraud Arteta gave a debut to 16yr old just in an European game when they were 3-0 up. What a careless guy.
 
The reason why I wanted Lacey to get some minutes was because with us losing players to AFCON, we’re likely going to need him at some point. You can’t just keep players idle and then throw them in there and expect them to perform. Zirkzee is a great example. He barely played at all and then we just started him and he looked like a League 1 player. Mainoo can go into this category as well. Heaven’s first game was absolutely brutal as well and who could be surprised?
 
euv2 said:
I disagree about Jack Fletcher, for me didn't influence the game enough, plays it a bit too safe most of the time and his control in tight spaces is awkward to say the least, a couple of shots and a nice long range pass doesn't change that, if he's going to make it here, he simply has to do more, it's another reason why the club is shifting him around in multiple positions, he has yet to dominate. Same goes for Mantato, another player who played it a bit too safe, albeit out of position. I'd rather see players try and fail, Lacey at least made space for himself and got his shots off, won the ball and got an assist that's more than you could say about the others.
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I stand by what I said, if players cannot dominate youth football, I find it very hard to believe they can jump into the 1st team and provide any sort of impact. Besides physicality there isn't any reason to play Jack Fletcher or Mantato ahead of him, it's either points out to Ruben favoring physicality way more than technical ability, this team lacked any sort of creativity today, game state would have suited Shea Lacey much more.
 
So, he had a decent cameo in tough circumstances away to one of the leagues better teams in Villa.

Amorim then refuses to bring him on at home against one of the worst teams the league has ever seen.

Makes sense.
 
Yagami said:
So, he had a decent cameo in tough circumstances away to one of the leagues better teams in Villa.

Amorim then refuses to bring him on at home against one of the worst teams the league has ever seen.

Makes sense.
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Also didn’t bring him in when we were comfortably winning against Wolves in the last game, despite knowing that Amad and Mbeumo were both about to leave for AFCON. Baffling.
 
Zumbi said:
Also didn’t bring him in when we were comfortably winning against Wolves in the last game, despite knowing that Amad and Mbeumo were both about to leave for AFCON. Baffling.
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Yeah, I criticised that at the time, too. As we saw against Villa, he could've offered us something during AFCON, and getting him familiarised with PL level football as early as that Wolves game would've been nice.

Last night was even more bizarre. Not only because we were at home against a team so much worse than Villa, or because we've already seen that Lacey can offer something, but because Amorim brought on inferior talents. Or, talents nowhere near as ready as him at the very least.

People defended the decision not to bring Lacey on at 4-1 up against Wolves. It'll be interesting to see if anyone defends this decision.
 
Good cameo today, unlucky not score. This guy is a proper man utd attacker, always brave, always trying to make things happen.

There's a lot more to come, can't wait for him to be regular.
 
First time I’ve seen him play, looked a lot like Phil Foden to me, is that a fair assessment?
 
Probably needs to go out on loan this window given he'll have Mbeumo and Amad ahead of him. Not even sure there's space for him next season without injuries.
 
Would have been great if either shot had gone in, but, for all the fanfare, neither was the correct decision.

The first one he ignored Sesko and Dalot (this is understandable tbf :lol:) in the box who he had a clear open pass on to. The second one was incredibly low percentage and only served to give Burnley the ball back and let them run down the clock.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
First time I’ve seen him play, looked a lot like Phil Foden to me, is that a fair assessment?
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Thought the same, very quick and direct in terms of what he wants to do. He's had about 20 mins of football in the premier League so not going to get ahead of ourselves, but he looks promising and someone I am hopeful can become a good player for us
 
LARulz said:
Thought the same, very quick and direct in terms of what he wants to do. He's had about 20 mins of football in the premier League so not going to get ahead of ourselves, but he looks promising and someone I am hopeful can become a good player for us
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Always nice to see a young player play positively, should have a place on the bench for the rest of the season hopefully.
 
The Hilton said:
Would have been great if either shot had gone in, but, for all the fanfare, neither was the correct decision.

The first one he ignored Sesko and Dalot (this is understandable tbf :lol:) in the box who he had a clear open pass on to. The second one was incredibly low percentage and only served to give Burnley the ball back and let them run down the clock.
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Looks the sort of player who backs himself to hit the target. Unlucky with the first effort and good on him for having the balls to take it on - the space and angle opened up for him. The second was not the best decision and he probably got caught up in the excitement of becoming the hero. Can’t blame him. Wasn’t far off. Had either effort been nearer the corner flag, like some of our earlier efforts from the likes of Ugarte, then I and his team mates would be disappointed in him.

Good on him I say.
 
TrailMonkey said:
Looks the sort of player who backs himself to hit the target. Unlucky with the first effort and good on him for having the balls to take it on - the space and angle opened up for him. The second was not the best decision and he probably got caught up in the excitement of becoming the hero. Can’t blame him. Wasn’t far off. Had either effort been nearer the corner flag, like some of our earlier efforts from the likes of Ugarte, then I and his team mates would be disappointed in him.

Good on him I say.
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I understand the rush of blood, but you definitely can blame him. Corner flag or just past the post, a missed shot from miles away when we're chasing the game is a bad thing, especially when we looked so dangerous crossing the ball all game.

The first effort wasn't unlucky, it had an xG of 0.03, it was extremely unlikely to result in a goal. If he scores, it's worth it, but he had better options in the area.

I don't want to be too harsh on the lad but there's a lot of hyperbole and gassing him up in this thread, so we need to keep in mind that his only contributions in this cameo were 3 passes and 2 off target shots, with better passing options available, that had a total xG of 0.04.
 
The Hilton said:
I understand the rush of blood, but you definitely can blame him. Corner flag or just past the post, a missed shot from miles away when we're chasing the game is a bad thing, especially when we looked so dangerous crossing the ball all game.

The first effort wasn't unlucky, it had an xG of 0.03, it was extremely unlikely to result in a goal. If he scores, it's worth it, but he had better options in the area.

I don't want to be too harsh on the lad but there's a lot of hyperbole and gassing him up in this thread, so we need to keep in mind that his only contributions in this cameo were 3 passes and 2 off target shots, with better passing options available, that had a total xG of 0.04.
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:lol:

Young lad comes on, inches away from winning the game with a worldie and we have to read posts about the xG of his shot. FFS.
 
Ollie Derbyshire said:
First time I’ve seen him play, looked a lot like Phil Foden to me, is that a fair assessment?
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Yeah thats pretty much the comparison thats always been made. One of our better young technical players, hes a dribbler although not particularly fast, and has scored some nice goals
 
Pogue Mahone said:
:lol:

Young lad comes on, inches away from winning the game with a worldie and we have to read posts about the xG of his shot. FFS.
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How many goals do we get awarded for being inches away? The same number as if it were miles away.

Not all of us abandon all rationality and watch with only emotions, it was the wrong choice to make when Sesko was available in the box, and it gained us nothing.
 
The Hilton said:
I understand the rush of blood, but you definitely can blame him. Corner flag or just past the post, a missed shot from miles away when we're chasing the game is a bad thing, especially when we looked so dangerous crossing the ball all game.

The first effort wasn't unlucky, it had an xG of 0.03, it was extremely unlikely to result in a goal. If he scores, it's worth it, but he had better options in the area.

I don't want to be too harsh on the lad but there's a lot of hyperbole and gassing him up in this thread, so we need to keep in mind that his only contributions in this cameo were 3 passes and 2 off target shots, with better passing options available, that had a total xG of 0.04.
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Oh come on……
He’s clearly calculating the xg in his head as he’s running towards the box……..
I’ve no issues with either decision to shoot. He’s clearly got some technique there and they weren’t like mainoo’s that went into row z. Very unlucky one didn’t go in.
 
The Purley King said:
Oh come on……
He’s clearly calculating the xg in his head as he’s running towards the box……..
I’ve no issues with either decision to shoot. He’s clearly got some technique there and they weren’t like mainoo’s that went into row z. Very unlucky one didn’t go in.
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He wasn't calculating the xG, he wasn't even getting his head up to see the passing options.

Mainoo has good shooting technique too, and his shot that went into row Z was just as effective as Lacey's shot that hit the bar in terms of what it gained us. Both handed possession back to Burnley when we could have created a decent chance out of the possession.
 
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