Should Football get the review system?

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After not just United's game but quite a few other matches this weekend where the Refs seem hungover and unable to hand out penalties for whatever reason, some of the worse refereeing I have seen for years happened this weekend. So begs the question. should football allow the managers 2 reviews per game similar to what happens in cricket?
 

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Is this like a coach's challenge per the NFL and NBA?

Would this even change much? VAR didn't think either of the Ronaldo pen incidents were even worthy of the ref checking them out since they're clowns.
 

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What exactly happens with review system? All the decisions are reviewed by VAR, even if Ole challenges Ronaldo penalty decisions, VAR would say not a penalty.

If there was no VAR, review system makes sense. Now it's of no use.
 

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The problem is referees being humble enough to accept they can be wrong
Absolutely. And at the end of the season Mike Riley would come up with stats like 92 percent of the decisions that referees made were right. And I always shout at that knobhead, those 8 percent cost many teams many points. Today we didn't get two stone wall penalties and then Leicester had similar issues. These are match turning decisions gone wrong

Someone should make a compilation of all the howlers that refs make and then present to that dickhead
 

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The problem is referees being humble enough to accept they can be wrong
This is how I see it too sadly, far too often.

Plus unless the review system was going somewhere different to where VAR takes place, the result would be exactly the same.
 

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The difference a review system would make is the incident being under more scrutiny.

With VAR is reviewing it from every angle and the TV broadcast getting the same angles and finally a clear explanation of why the decision is made one way or the other it makes it a lot harder to hide behind the referee’s initial decision not being a “clear and obvious error”.
 

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The problem is referees being humble enough to accept they can be wrong
Precisely this.

In other sports, thinking Tennis or NFL or Cricket, whilst there is naturally still a bias to uphold the original decision by the official (I.e give them the benefit of the doubt), there is much less (or appears to be much less) of an ego complex in admitting fault. I was actually watching an NFL game where an official apologised during the game when an incorrect flag was thrown. Has a football referee ever apologised for an incorrect decision?
 

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After not just United's game but quite a few other matches this weekend where the Refs seem hungover and unable to hand out penalties for whatever reason, some of the worse refereeing I have seen for years happened this weekend. So begs the question. should football allow the managers 2 reviews per game similar to what happens in cricket?
They did review the system over the summer and decided penalties were going to be harder to get, as we'd seen too many last year. The Refs have taken on that guidance, just like they did last season where the attackers kept booting the ball at defenders hands from a yard away as it was deemed a penalty. It'll iron itself out as the season goes on, shame they can't get it right from the offset, but that's probably too big of an ask.
 

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What exactly happens with review system? All the decisions are reviewed by VAR, even if Ole challenges Ronaldo penalty decisions, VAR would say not a penalty.

If there was no VAR, review system makes sense. Now it's of no use.
VAR checks only certain categories of events. As far as I remember it doesn't review events possibly leading to yellow cards. If a referee overlooks a second yellow card event, VAR won't intervene, even if finally there should be a red. This is where coach's challenge could work for the advantage of his team.
 

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Absolutely. And at the end of the season Mike Riley would come up with stats like 92 percent of the decisions that referees made were right. And I always shout at that knobhead, those 8 percent cost many teams many points. Today we didn't get two stone wall penalties and then Leicester had similar issues. These are match turning decisions gone wrong

Someone should make a compilation of all the howlers that refs make and then present to that dickhead
Exactly. Those stats don't take into account the importance and difficulty of decisions. Besides they are also probably compiled by referees so not much objectivity to be expected as they are the sole arbiters of what's a good or bad decision
 

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VAR checks only certain categories of events. As far as I remember it doesn't review events possibly leading to yellow cards. If a referee overlooks a second yellow card event, VAR won't intervene, even if finally there should be a red. This is where coach's challenge could work for the advantage of his team.
It makes no sense why that 2nd yellow card situation isn't VARed. All altering game decisions should be VARed
 

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I like the idea. Teams should have 1 challenge per half which they would lose if they challenge unsuccessfully. In that case, VAR will absolutely have to check it even if it wasn’t a clear and obvious error from the on ground referee. Something like the third umpire in cricket who has the authority to overrule the on field umpire. It should be that way simply because they have more data at their disposal so their decision should be binding.

The current system is clearly causing more ambiguity and referees are happy too because instead of their wrong decisions being criticised by managers, they are focusing their ire on VAR and the system. There is too much incentive for them to maintain the status quo. With so much money at stake, we should have 99% correct decisions in every match and not hide being the “clear and obvious error” clause.
 

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Absolutely. And at the end of the season Mike Riley would come up with stats like 92 percent of the decisions that referees made were right.
Maybe if you include which team the throw in should go to.
 

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Honestly, no. As irritating and wrong as the decisions were at the weekend, this would be taking the sport in the wrong direction for me. We've been right to row back the use of VAR this season and on balance, the game is better for it.
 

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No I don't want that.

I would however love a VAR incident report to be published by the Premier League following each match so the fans can know WHY they ruled for/against

I'd rather advocate for the system of 'a paddlin' - Wherein the manager of each team gets to award the ref 1 paddlin' per game if they feel the ref has made a clear and obvious error for a game critical challenge (red card or penalty situation). The paddlin' to be administered by the teams respective captains at the center line immediately after the challenge has been approved by the 'a paddlin' review monitor being policed by Roy Keane, Graeme Souness and Mark Goldbridge locked in a room together for 90 minutes with no bathroom breaks.
 

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Open VAR-Ref comms on big decisions. Put the spotlight on them.
 

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What is the point? The referees will just dig their heels in even further if managers start calling them out on the touchline. They need to have open microphones or have to publish the justifications for their decisions after the game. They will not change unless they're held accountable for their errors.
 

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It would only work if it's done like in American sports. One single person/group that decides all of the VAR results.

Having multiple VAR reviewers on different games and also sometimes calling the referee to check it by himself results in having different criteria, can't have an standardized system that way. Needs to change.