Should the United legends pipe down a bit when talking about the club on TV?

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  1. Nov 8, 2019 at 17:30
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    Dancfc Full Member

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    I was going to put this in the United section but I'm not sure how well an article by an opposition fan is taken there so ill put it on the football section.

    Over recent years you have seen (in my opinion) United legends be a little to over opinionated on TV about the goings on at United. Whether it's Ferdinand openly pressuring the board into giving Ole the job, Neville going on the rampage about Jose's potential sacking or Scholes systematically moaning about LVG amoung other things.

    I'm curious to know if United fans think that may be a small part of the problem, given their immortal status at the club what they say could put more pressure on the situation. From a Chelsea perspective when Drogba, Ballack, the Cole's and (when he was a pundit) Lampard spoke about the goings on at Chelsea it was all mild and they were never over opinionated about it on TV, I think they knew that trying to get involved was counterproductive and knew their place in that regard.

    Do you think Rio, Neville, Scholes etc should tone it down a bit on the cameras? Or do you think they're doing them right thing publicly airing their grievances?
  2. Nov 8, 2019 at 17:36
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    SadlerMUFC Full Member

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    I have no problem with what they say most of the time because they are speaking their truth. I have also seen them all rightly criticize us when we need to be criticized, but I have also seen them praise us when praise is due. Even Scholes (who has been one of our hardest critics) said that if we keep playing like we did yesterday that we can turn things around...
  3. Nov 8, 2019 at 17:38
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    YNWAManUnited New Member

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    There should be no holding back, we can take it. The club and the owners need to hear it. Bring it, legends!
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    Pipe up, if anything!

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    kidbob Full Member

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    They should talk loudly about what they achieved and any player who doesn't fit the grade of the level the club should be at should be ridiculed until they quit football or go play in a lower division.

    We should never ask former players to lower their expectations in order to protect the feelings of players who shouldn't be at the club.
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    r3idy Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    We got their loyalty when they were players for us. Be naive to expect loyalty or a watered down opinion now they are off the books. They are saying things controversial for a few reasons

    1) They get paid to (its a ratings war)
    2) Probably because it's true.
  7. Nov 8, 2019 at 18:06
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    Tom Cato Full Member

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    The players you mentioned all come with insane merit. They are way entitled to lash out if they disagree with what they are seeing, or have an opinion on what needs to be done. They have earned it.
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    shamans Hoser

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    We, who are nothings, moan about the club all they want. They are legends who deserve to have an opinion

    Besides they are voicing our own concerns. Some fans are so stupid. If all they do is praise us, does that make us any better?
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    londonredmaniac I suffer delusions of grandeur

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    Much rather they were honest tbf
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    Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær Lutefisk is it!

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    Gary Neville should shut up.
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    horsechoker Sailor vee, this is a right off.

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    They're paid to give an opinion.

    As long they're opinion is backed up with something factual or with substantial insight then it's fine.

    The problem is there are pundits who are afraid of criticising certain things because of a conflict of interest.
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    It's getting that bad now the I seriously think the club should gag former players for at least 10 years, probably longer.

    Apart from a shitfaced George Best(possibly on Parkinson/Wogan) saying Ryan Giggs wasn't fit to lace his boots(which he apologised for when he was briefly sober)I can't really recall any former legend of the club being overcritical of any player whilst they were still at the club, if at all.

    It's obviously happened at other times, but nothing on the level we see now, it's almost like they are protecting their own legacy(word), they just think kerching and sod the consequences for the club, and the player.

    Gag 'em all.
  13. Nov 8, 2019 at 18:26
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    VP89 Pogba's biggest fan

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    They have their bias when talking about the club, around Ole, around academy and the rest of it. So it becomes tiresome. I much prefer hearing what Charrager has to say from an outsider evaluating the state of affairs.
  14. Nov 8, 2019 at 18:33
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    Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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    Finn MacCool Full Member

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    I think it's partly because some legends find it difficult to adjust to how much the game has changed since their era and to accept that good times don't last forever and even huge clubs can go thru stages of decline and rebuild. At its root you would hope its because they care so much and not just to get some attention.

    It does happen everywhere though - I remember Ian St. John being very hard on Houllier.
  16. Nov 8, 2019 at 18:40
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    You don't have to watch or listen to any of it. You also don't have to agree with any opinion. It doesn't mean they don't have a right to share that opinion. Indeed, its their job to give opinions. They shouldn't have to "tone down" their opinion just because you disagree with it.
  17. Nov 8, 2019 at 18:44
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    nokillingmoths Full Member

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    3) they actually care. Most of them have a bigger tie to the club than most fans.
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    It's almost as if no player at the club right now is good enough to play for the club. Best apologized because Giggs made him look stupid. Any current player you see doing that? Every current player should be ridiculed until they reach the required level or leave. Every one of the past players proved themselves and have a right to see the standard they set upheld.

    Everyone of these players (except De Gea who should have bailed years ago because he deserves so much better than our shit) should receive every bit of criticism until they prove good enough for our club or have the self reflection to quit United in embarrassment because they aren't good enough.
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    I think they are all massive hypocrites.

    Now that Ole has got the job, you don't hear a murmur from them about the poor managerial performances we've seen since February. When they had no problem sticking the knife into LVG or Mourinho straight away in the past.

    Listening to them, you would believe Ole is doing a wonderful job here, that the fact that we've been showing relegation form for months, horrendous performances throughout, were 16th a few weeks ago, now 10th, 10 points behind top 4 after 11 games, 10 points behind Lampard's Chelsea who was similarly inexperienced, lost his best player whilst having a transfer ban & replaced him with kids isn't actually happening right now.

    I would rather listen to Carragher commentate on us nowadays. At least i know i won't be getting fed unobjective nonsense.
  20. Nov 8, 2019 at 18:53
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    mu4c_20le Full Member

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    That's because your club are owned by a billionaire russian oligarch who is known for doing things his way or the highway. That's the difference.
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    This, basically.
  22. Nov 8, 2019 at 18:55
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    Dancfc Full Member

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    I'm not saying they ain't entitled to their opinion, the question I'm asking is is it helping the cause at United by doing it so publicly? For example if the decision to give OGS the full time deal was even remotely down to external pressure like Rio's comments on BT, then that's one clear example of it's hinderance right there.

    Going back to the example with my club, i'm sure Drogs, Lampard, Ballack and co had some strong opinions watching Chelsea during 15/16, 17/18 and part of last season but we never heard any of them air out these potential grievances in public and i'm glad they didn't, would have (in my opinion) made already difficult situations worse.
  23. Nov 8, 2019 at 18:57
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    BeforeKeanetherewasRobson Full Member

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    Absolutely fine with them voicing their opinion as long as they can justify it and don't get carried away. I'd be more annoyed if they just toed the party line all the time.

    The club shouldn't have an issue either.... Good or bad, if it's true, go for it.
  24. Nov 8, 2019 at 18:59
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    BeforeKeanetherewasRobson Full Member

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    Rio had no bearing on Oles appointment.

    And I'd rather they speak their minds (good or bad).

    How do you know those ex CFC players had strong opinions? Especially if as you say, they never voiced them
  25. Nov 8, 2019 at 19:05
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    Educated guess, all mentioned have remained as card carrying fans so i imagine they go through similar emotions as to what the fans do.
  26. Nov 8, 2019 at 19:07
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    RedDevil@84 Full Member

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    Would rather have the moaners on caf pipe down a bit.
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    12OunceEpilogue Full Member Scout

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    I agree to be honest. If Scholes says something I disagree with I think 'I disagree with that Scholesy', have a bit of discussion on here then move on. I think we're fooled by the likes of Sky and BT that they somehow 'set the agenda', but while I'm sure forceful interventions by Neville et al have sway with the general mood of the fanbase by far the number one factor is the performances on the pitch and the results. If we're performing well pundits will sing our praises and if we're stinking the place out pundits will let us have it, and that's fine whether they're club legends or not.
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    Steven Seagull Full Member

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    Let them say whatever they like. They know more and care more about the club than any tosser on the internet. I mean we literally have a large percentage of people who think Gary Neville looked annoyed when we scored against Liverpool the other week. How can you possibly appease these people?
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    Sparky_Hughes Donkey Buggering Tyrant who cheats at Monopoly

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    Given that most footballers, past and present are as dumb as a bag of hair who really cares what they say?
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    BeforeKeanetherewasRobson Full Member

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    Says nothing even if things aren't right? Doesn't sound like a fan to me. Cop out
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    But that's the thing, when we were stinking the place out under LVG & Mourinho, the class of 92 never held back on sticking the knife in at every opportunity. Yet, they have been silent on the current manager's even worse struggles?

    We've been languishing in mediocrity for months now, producing rotten performances week in week out, yet i don't think i have ever seen any of them question the manager in this time even once?

    We were 16th a few weeks ago, threatening a relegation battle, we're 10 points behind top 4 after 11 games. We're closer to the bottom 3 than top 4.

    That's what makes them complete hypocrites.
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    Well yes, but it's human nature that people will judge friends much less harshly than people they hardly know at all.
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    Pundits should say what they want and people should get offended less.
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    As long as it's constructive it's ok, if it's just have a dig because they can then no, most have spoken the truth the club is in disarray, it's going in a different direction of late in transfer policy that's for sure. Woodward mostly gets the stick now, Jose I believe made his own problems in regard of his demenor towards players etc, he had to go, same as when Chelsea sacked him he had to go, maybe he played his way into sack?

    LVG, I think was just unlucky in getting the sack, his games against the top teams where very good, especially pool, I don't think he lost a game against them, but you will always get the ex pros having a go about whoever is in charge when most played under the best manager in a long long time.
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    Sandikan aka sex on the beach

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    If you're the type to get aggravated by all the phony war in the press, simply avoid it. Easy.