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Send him to West Ham for £40m. Buy Upamecano.
Maybe we shouldn't go for one of those managers then? We finish the rebuild in oles vision?Too bad Everton have cleaned up their act and smartened up otherwise they would be the obvious choice. But since he has an England career to consider I think we can flog him off for £30m to someone like West Ham next summer.
One thing I have always known is that if Ole gets the sack then it's highly likely that the next manager won't fancy Maguire as a key player. I can't see any manager who wants to play on the front foot being comfortable with a player as slow as Maguire in their defense.
I've been repeating the same thing constantly..
1 less goal than City, 3 less than Liverpool, 3rd best in the league.I wouldn't. People forget he had a good season last season. We conceded about 20 goals less than the year before.
Obviously his start to the season has been as bad as anything I've seen in a United shirt, but 3 games shouldn't overrule a good opening season. Id reassess around Xmas but I think his form will improve
Merson is full of bollocks. I remember when he did this, it was when we signed Maguire. He absolutely pasted Maguire and then that weekend we beat Chelsea 4-0 at home (albeit a bit lucky) and Maguire got Man of the Match. Then a few days later Merson came out and apologised and said he was wrong about Maguire!
It's not "actively defending an incorrect decision", it's telling your teammate that what he's asking for has been checked by VAR - he's not actually expressed an opinion either way.
I wouldn't. People forget he had a good season last season. We conceded about 20 goals less than the year before.
Obviously his start to the season has been as bad as anything I've seen in a United shirt, but 3 games shouldn't overrule a good opening season. Id reassess around Xmas but I think his form will improve
People will believe what they want to believe if it fits their agenda. I'm not saying this info was right or wrong. I don't know. But we can easily see how quickly some are to not only believe info like this, but also share it...Wow, that's pretty damning, actually.
Random fan account quoting another random fan account for a supposed info on what happened in the dressing room? Seems legit.
The fact people are relying on Merson’s analysis says it all.The state of this thread.
Who in their right mind would pay us even half of what we paid for him.There’s been incessant talk of getting a partner for the £80M CB we bought from Leicester to get the best out of him, but truthfully, I don’t think Maguire is good enough to be starting for us, and I feel we’ll need to find a “partner” for the so called “partner” we are supposed to be looking for Maguire.
I fail to see anything he excels at. Positioning, aggressiveness, leadership/organising, speed, tackling, sweeping/covering. Nothing. Maybe he’s decent aerially, but even then he’s extremely wasteful when in the opposition box. His conduct off the pitch is also questionable.
Should we try and get some of the money back?
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*Crosses himself while reciting the Lord's Prayer"If we can recoup back the transfer money we paid for him, then sure.
Otherwise no.
Seriously our CB options are thin and terrible. We should try Bailly-Lindelof first before entertaining this idea.. well I'm not confident but just a slim maybe. Maybe getting in another top CB first too?
You can try giving him for free, no club worth their salt would want to spend 200k/week on him. Not to mention playing him actually weakens the team, a 35years old Johny evans is much better option.If we can recoup back the transfer money we paid for him, then sure.
Otherwise no.
Seriously our CB options are thin and terrible. We should try Bailly-Lindelof first before entertaining this idea.. well I'm not confident but just a slim maybe. Maybe getting in another top CB first too?
Not really believing it's gonna happen, but let's say it will, then if 65m or even 50m would be reinvested into two young fullback talents in mood of Pellistri or Traore plus perhaps even one talented CB, that could be step in interesting direction.If we can get 65m+ I'm up for selling him.
Not a chance we get that amount in the next year or 2, so we just got to play him back into form.
Depends whos making that judgement.To be fair your defence can be shit and still get clean sheets.
I'd pump it all back to getting the best CB we can for 65m tbh. I'm sure there are a fair few quality CBs for that price.Not really believing it's gonna happen, but let's say it will, then if 65m or even 50m would be reinvested into two young fullback talents in mood of Pellistri or Traore plus perhaps even one talented CB, that could be step in interesting direction.
We are playing the exact same system as last yearNaive fans. We can barely sell a good Cb for £10m and we want to sell an asset that we paid £80m for last year.
Granted he hasn't had a good start but lets not be real here. Yes we may have over paid but he isn't as bad as people think.
VVD looked awful this season too, why? the protection infront is poor. When you have CB's exposed, I don't care which CB it is they will struggle.
Under Fergie, every time our CB's were exposed they struggled too.
If we go back to games we played City, Chelsea where Maguire looked good, we played with a shape and structure which meant our defenders were not being exposed every 30 seconds and we looked better.
This is not down to individual problems, the system they are playing in is flawed.
Really? go check our results and the system we played against Chelsea, City, Liverpool etc.We are playing the exact same system as last year
Yes really.Really? go check our results and the system we played against Chelsea, City, Liverpool etc.
We played 5 back with Matic and Fred in midfield.
Before lockdown we played 4-2-3-1 with Fred and Matic holding.
The system is completely different. We had James tracking back, now we have Greenwood and Rashford staying up top.
There is a difference between formation and system.
Playing the same formation does not mean we are playing the same system.
Yes playing 4-2-3-1 does not mean the system is the same when players change.Yes really.
We do change formations for certain games, yes.
But we predominately play a 4-2-3-1. The personnel change, which has a massive impact on defensive cover, for example - Pogba offers no defensive cover whole Fred does. James offers more than Greenwood.
Its the same set up, only too many half arsed performances and individual errors are effecting us more.
We are just playing crap
Maguire was the one that had fallen of the rails to that point. It was still 2-1 at that point and we were down to 10 men while their player seemed to be getting away with what also should have been a red card. Things were still being checked, they could have insisted on having the ref go look at the monitor or at least persuade him to do so - who knows what he decides then. But, captain meek wanted us to just take it.What would kicking and screaming do? The way we had fallen off the rails, trying to get the team to calm down and focus on the game itself is hardly the worst advice a captain can give.
So, what you are saying is, he doesn't fit the style the manager wants to play with. Then did we bought him in the first place?Ridiculous thread, can’t believe this is being discussed. The question really comes down to this: Why has Maguire looked like a good defender on England and at Leicester? Ole insists on our CBs playing a high line when he knows they lack pace and then adds to the chaos by playing Matic as a DM.
That’s why there was pressure by Ole to get a CB with pace. That didn’t happen so clearly Ole needs to change things up rather than constantly leaving our CBs exposed. If Ole can’t do that then we know what the problem is and it’s not all on Maguire.
He didn't did he? He talked to the ref before and if I think someone has put it up here now. What he said to Rashford was afterwards. Yes he had a shit show and he make a mistake for sure for the first one too. But people having a go at him for the second is being unreasonable. Did he come apart? Absolutely.Maguire was the one that had fallen of the rails to that point. It was still 2-1 at that point and we were down to 10 men while their player seemed to be getting away with what also should have been a red card. Things were still being checked, they could have insisted on having the ref go look at the monitor or at least persuade him to do so - who knows what he decides then. But, captain meek wanted us to just take it.
That’s a question everyone should be asking Ole. He’s the one who sanctioned the deal when Dias and Koulibaly were available. Ole as the manager needs to find a way to get the best out of Maguire. Rodgers and Southgate have, so time for Ole to adjust.So, what you are saying is, he doesn't fit the style the manager wants to play with. Then did we bought him in the first place?
Actually he doesn't fit any style unless you play with 3 in the back like England, or with a deep block like his 2 seasons with Leicester City. He is weak in 1v1 situations against any fast opponent, and frankly speaking, I find difficulties trying to think of any defensive qualities that he excels at apart from aerial clearances.
Leadership! I thought not coming out to the media after a heavy defeat at home is something a leader should not do. But hey, let's change every thing to suit him maybe he will improve.