Sir Jim Ratcliffe: I want to buy Manchester United | Will make a bid for the club [Telegraph]

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I was talking about City owners in response to a poster who brought up the structure at City.

And the second paragraph was independent from the first one, where I want United's new owners to engage with fans and not treat the fans like customers to milk for financial gain.

And I don't need to go on Wikipedia, because I have read and heard more than enough about Barcelona and Man City's structural foundations to give more than a informed opinion on how they're structured and who the key players are on the structural side of the club.
Every football club treats their fans like customers. That's what they are!! :lol:

You've tried to claim knowledge by Google searching someone that no relevance to anything in this thread ( Marwood)
 

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I was talking about City owners in response to a poster who brought up the structure at City.

And the second paragraph was independent from the first one, where I want United's new owners to engage with fans and not treat the fans like customers to milk for financial gain.

And I don't need to go on Wikipedia, because I have read and heard more than enough about Barcelona and Man City's structural foundations to give more than a informed opinion on how they're structured and who the key players are on the structural side of the club.
Very true. Absolutely sick to death of supporters being milked like some spent dairy cow ready for slaughter.

How do you feel about United being nationalised?
 

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Not recently but I held a season ticket for years until 2015 and I venture back at least once a year now. A billion quid to fix a bit of rot seems excessive to me, especially when a new stadium doesn’t fix anything other than the fact we get to get battered 5-0 by City and have a pint that fill up from the bottom of the glass instead of the top.
Barca and Madrid's redevelopment of their huge stadia is said to be north of a billion quid each so I wouldn't rule it out.

I actually could see us playing our home games at Wembley for a year (much to the annoyance of many fans) whilst they redevelop the stadium or knock it down and start again.
 

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Emptyhad Stadium cost £112m to build in 2002 and a further £22m to convert to football rather than athletics stadium.

The Emirates stadium cost £390m in 2006.

Wembley Stadium cost £798m to build in 2007 but was way over budget and the original estimate.

The London (Olympic) Stadium cost £486m to build in 2012 and a further £323m in 2016 to convert to a football venue for West Ham.

Spurs stadium cost £1bn to build I. 2019.

Given these figures, and the size/capacity of a OT replacement £1bn is probably a conservative estimate.
The most interesting figure there was the London stadium conversion nearly costing as much as the original build. How?!
 

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Barca and Madrid's redevelopment of their huge stadia is said to be north of a billion quid each so I wouldn't rule it out.

I actually could see us playing our home games at Wembley for a year (much to the annoyance of many fans) whilst they redevelop the stadium or knock it down and start again.
More chance of us playing on the moon for a year.
 

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The most interesting figure there was the London stadium conversion nearly costing as much as the original build. How?!
Yeah that raised an eyebrow for me too. Bizarre figure.

edit- seems significant work was carried out on the roof to meet UEFA regulations which required it to be extended and reinforced.
 

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Every football club treats their fans like customers. That's what they are!! :lol:

You've tried to claim knowledge by Google searching someone that no relevance to anything in this thread ( Marwood)
'I've tried to claim knowledge' :lol:

Every club doesn't treat their fans like the Glazers have treated the United fans.

I don't know if you're a bit dim, but my post followed on from what was being discussed regarding City's football structure where the two former Barcelona chaps were mentioned as being the 'Barcelona structure'. And my response was very simple and I pointed to who was infact involved in developing and creating the football structure at the club (City). And this has been discussed on podcasts like the transfer ground guru, who regularly have people on their pods who work within the field in question. And if you want to challenge anything I said regarding Marwood, then be my guest.
 

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Was it a vote about whether or not murder should be legalised or something? It was a vote about whether or not this country stayed or left the EU. By itself that’s not a moral issue. The reasons whatever % of leave voted that way may have been morally wrong but until I hear the reason I can’t judge a person for the way they voted just because it went against my wish.
 

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Was it a vote about whether or not murder should be legalised or something? It was a vote about whether or not this country stayed or left the EU. By itself that’s not a moral issue. The reasons whatever % of leave voted that way may have been morally wrong but until I hear the reason I can’t judge a person for the way they voted just because it went against my wish.
I can judge people for making incredibly stupid decisions that feck things up for the rest of us. Just watch me. :)
 

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I can judge people for making incredibly stupid decisions that feck things up for the rest of us. Just watch me. :)
We must be understanding of our peers with slower bandwidth even when it hinders our network & data transfer capabilities :lol:
 

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Or we’ll spend a billion on the stadium and next to nothing on players due to FFP or whatever restrictions we’ll have placed on us for having rich owners.
Have the Glazers hacked this account? We could spend billions on transfers and infrastructure without breaking FFP rules with the revenue we generate.
 
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speaking too much sense for some I think. I’ve seen people suggesting the stadium needs £1B, the training ground needs £1B and then the expectation that we need billions for transfers. The best stadiums in the world haven’t cost that much and training grounds certainly don’t. Just removing the debt alone will be a massive influx of money.
I believe some form of FFP still exists so we couldn’t and I’m sure, wouldn’t go out all of a sudden and spend £500M every window.
INEOS with their connections could bring in plenty of money to improve everything required. I’d much rather us go down this route than become another oil money play thing used for bragging rights.
Well said. Feck being another Oiley plaything. We can succeed on our own merit if released from the debt shackles.
 

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Have the Glazers hacked this account? We could spend billions on transfers and infrastructure without breaking FFP rules with the revenue we generate.
While true when you consider that £1b plus has been lost due to interest repayments over the past 17 years. Now our revenue is on the decline and costs are higher so going forward I don’t know.
 

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The debt is against the club not the Glazers, that can sell without paying off the debt and whoever buys can just keep the debt and service the interest like Glazers have been doing.
Can this happen? How would everyone react if this actually happened?
 

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A stadium and training revamp is needed. Can it be done in parallel with the changes needed on the footballing side? Of course.

And someone correct me if I'm wrong, however, I believe FFP only counts for investment in the footballing side, not the actual investment in facilities, etc? I'm pretty sure that is the case.

It'll be interesting to see how fans are engaged. In what way would the fans liked to be engaged? Match day experience, etc, I understand, but footballing decisions? From places like this and social media, you can see fans hardly agree on the same thing, so why would I as an owner want fans to make footballing decisions for me?

And who ever comes in will make mistakes earlier on. Goes without saying. In fact, I'd be more surprised if the opposite happens than the other way around. However, we can then only hope that things will get better for us.
 

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What facilities? You want a cheese room? Maybe a £25 burger like at arsenal? What’s best in class anyway? What does that even mean?

Just give me a PL title and do a bit of work on a historic and legendary stadium if needed. Old Trafford is still a great stadium.
The facilities talk always baffles me. There’s not many stadiums at all that I’ve been to and think are better than Old Trafford for watching football, not the San Siro, the Nue Camp, Tottenham, Wembley the list goes on and on. Old Trafford needs a bit of work no doubt but it’s far from how it’s described, the biggest issue as a spectator is how cramped it is.
 

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The facilities talk always baffles me. There’s not many stadiums at all that I’ve been to and think are better than Old Trafford for watching football, not the San Siro, the Nue Camp, Tottenham, Wembley the list goes on and on. Old Trafford needs a bit of work no doubt but it’s far from how it’s described, the biggest issue as a spectator is how cramped it is.
Wasn’t there an issue recently where they couldn’t sell food and drink at a game because the refrigeration system failed?

I think it’s the little things like those and the fact that the stadium itself has stood still in terms of design ever since the glazers took over. There’s also the argument that the women’s team still has to play to a smaller capacity crowd at a time when the women’s game as a whole is having a good moment.
 

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Wasn’t there an issue recently where they couldn’t sell food and drink at a game because the refrigeration system failed? I think it’s the little things like those and the fact that the stadium itself has stood still in terms of design ever since the glazers took over.
If memory serves it was actually the IT system that failed so they couldn’t process payments, but either way that kind of thing can also happen at a new stadium too. Things inside can be improved and modernised, but you don’t need to rip it down to do that. The design is fine (two quadrants have actually been added under the Glazers too, in the interest of fairness)
 

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I'd be surprised if a potential new owner went the redevelopment route and it may well be more prudent to just build a new stadium like James Ducker is hinting at below, and I for one would be happy with that.

 

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The biggest issue as a spectator is how cramped it is.
That’s a problem that cannot be solved by a refurb. Probably number one reason for a rebuild.
The design is fine (two quadrants have actually been added under the Glazers too, in the interest of fairness)
Wasn’t the work already planned and paid for under Edwards and the Glazers didn’t have much to do with it? It was just timing I think. Tough to give them credit for that.
 

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I'd be surprised if a potential new owner went the redevelopment route and it may well be more prudent to just build a new stadium like James Ducker is hinting at below, and I for one would be happy with that.

It would also be far more palatable to sell naming rights to a brand new stadium than Old Trafford, similar to what Arsenal did when moving from Highbury to Emirates.
 
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The “state” of Old Trafford is always vastly overstated, you’d think it looked like the San Siro, or worse still, the Camp Nou or old Wembley the way some people bang on :lol:
It’s still better than 95% of stadiums out there. I personally think it needs renovations more to maximise revenues than this urgent need some make out.
More seats, more shopping, genuine restaurants, better hospitality, better entertainment pre and post match etc.
 

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The “state” of Old Trafford is always vastly overstated, you’d think it looked like the San Siro, or worse still, the Camp Nou or old Wembley the way some people bang on :lol:
It’s still better than 95% of stadiums out there. I personally think it needs renovations more to maximise revenues than this urgent need some make out.
More seats, more shopping, genuine restaurants, better hospitality, better entertainment pre and post match etc.
San Siro is going to get knocked down and Camp Nou is having a £1.3b redevelopment. I took some folk on the OT tour and it looked tired and dated
behind the scenes and all. Sure the stadium looks ad hoc but that's just aesthetics, the main issue is tread and seat sizes. If you want to be the best you have to make a statement otherwise leave alone and fade away.
 
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San Siro is going to get knocked down and Camp Nou is having a £1.3b redevelopment. I took some folk on the OT tour and it looked tired and dated
behind the scenes and all. Sure the stadium looks ad hoc but that's just aesthetics, the main issue is tread and seat sizes. If you want to be the best you have to make a statement otherwise leave alone and fade away.

Which is the point, people talk about Old Trafford as though it’s in the same state, it aint.
Does it need some love? Absolutely.
Will it even be beneficial and ultimately profitable, absolutely.
 

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The facilities talk always baffles me. There’s not many stadiums at all that I’ve been to and think are better than Old Trafford for watching football, not the San Siro, the Nue Camp, Tottenham, Wembley the list goes on and on. Old Trafford needs a bit of work no doubt but it’s far from how it’s described, the biggest issue as a spectator is how cramped it is.
Yeah I don't get it either, most people just buy a pint and a pie at half time and that's it. I'm not sure what facilities are needed more than that, are people keen to get a foot massage at half time or something? I also hope people realise that the only reason places like Spurs have more 'facilities' is because they have events there like American football and concerts, Old Trafford doesn't need that. I hope people also realise prices will go up.

Just expand and modernise OT, none of this rebuild and cheese room bollocks.
 

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San Siro is going to get knocked down and Camp Nou is having a £1.3b redevelopment. I took some folk on the OT tour and it looked tired and dated
behind the scenes and all. Sure the stadium looks ad hoc but that's just aesthetics, the main issue is tread and seat sizes. If you want to be the best you have to make a statement otherwise leave alone and fade away.
We could just focus on winning things instead? Hard to ignore the best team in the league.
 
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Yeah I don't get it either, most people just buy a pint and a pie at half time and that's it. I'm not sure what facilities are needed more than that, are people keen to get a foot massage at half time or something? I also hope people realise that the only reason places like Spurs have more 'facilities' is because they have events there like American football and concerts, Old Trafford doesn't need that. I hope people also realise prices will go up.

Just expand and modernise OT, none of this rebuild and cheese room bollocks.
They spent a shit tonne on the Friends Arena here in Stockholm too, and Old Trafford still shits on it. I don’t see anything different for the match watching experience except the seating is a tad more comfy, same with the Allianz in Munich.

Best thing about Friends though is the massive mall attached so you can actually spend some time before and after the match, eating or shopping, rather than legging it to the tram with 2 minutes remaining.
I’d refurb OT, even if it takes 7 years, and spend a shit load making the area more profitable pre and post match, with more opportunities for people to want to hang around and shop, eat, play etc.
 

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I’m not too arsed about the state of OT myself, sure it’s a bit dated but don’t see why we need to spend 1bn on it or a new stadium.. can’t see how ‘for profit’ owners would see the need for it either

although, the mens bogs are a bit rank on match day - maybe spend a few mil on that!
 

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They spent a shit tonne on the Friends Arena here in Stockholm too, and Old Trafford still shits on it. I don’t see anything different for the match watching experience except the seating is a tad more comfy, same with the Allianz in Munich.

Best thing about Friends though is the massive mall attached so you can actually spend some time before and after the match, eating or shopping, rather than legging it to the tram with 2 minutes remaining.
I’d refurb OT, even if it takes 7 years, and spend a shit load making the area more profitable pre and post match, with more opportunities for people to want to hang around and shop, eat, play etc.
I didn't know you were based in Stockholm too, I've been here since 2012 so I'm familiar with the Friends Area and the Mall of Scandinavia. It's just another soulless stadium that puts more focus on it's 'facilities' but it's like the football is secondary to everything else.

Agreed, just refurbish it, make improvements where possible and expand the capacity.
 

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We should absolutely focus on the team and the reserve teams first. In my opinion, there's nothing more small time than having a brand spanking new shiny stadium and playing Europa or Conference league football.
It shouldn’t be either or though? that’s what got us here to begin with

we need to be run properly, which means investing in all areas of the business to stay competitive
 
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I didn't know you were based in Stockholm too, I've been here since 2012 so I'm familiar with the Friends Area and the Mall of Scandinavia. It's just another soulless stadium that puts more focus on it's 'facilities' but it's like the football is secondary to everything else.

Agreed, just refurbish it, make improvements where possible and expand the capacity.
Aye, since 2008 pal.

And absolutely, you can barely tell the difference between Friends, the Allianz and a load of other new stadia. And I still fail to see how watching football as the Emirates or the Allianz is a better experience than OT?
As I say, Friends I get, but that due to being next door to a mall, so it’s the pre and post-match experience which is much improved, but neither Arsenal nor the Allianz have that.
They do have much better hospitality mind, which 95% of people don’t experience anyway.

So with that in mind, I don’t see how people can see the plans for Madrid’s refurb and not come to the conclusion that a refurb of our actual historical arena is a much better option.

My guess, people like shiny new things. For me we’re just end up with yet another souless piece of modern shite that looks the same as 99% of other new stadiums.
 

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Yeah I don't get it either, most people just buy a pint and a pie at half time and that's it. I'm not sure what facilities are needed more than that, are people keen to get a foot massage at half time or something? I also hope people realise that the only reason places like Spurs have more 'facilities' is because they have events there like American football and concerts, Old Trafford doesn't need that. I hope people also realise prices will go up.

Just expand and modernise OT, none of this rebuild and cheese room bollocks.
It seems like I want the total opposite to you.

I want OT to be accessible for all. Match day/non match day going fans. The amount of times I give up going to games because I feel bad to have to leave the rest of the family home. When I go games, it's a whole day thing due to travel time.

I want to be able to go and watch the match, whilst the rest of the family can be entertained, whether that's shopping, eating, etc.

Have you seen the facilities on offer at places like Sofi stadium? Heck, even the training facilities over at Dallas Cowboys.

Old Trafford should no longer be about just the match day goers, it's about their families, too. This is one way to keep the new generation coming through the door.
 
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