Skripal Novichok Case

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by SteveJ, Jul 4, 2018.

  1. Jul 4, 2018
    #1

    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2010
    Messages:
    58,676
    Location:
    Bigmouth Strikes Again
  2. Jul 4, 2018
    #2

    Carolina Red Moderator Staff

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    22,001
    Location:
    South Carolina
    Again!?
  3. Jul 4, 2018
    #3

    MaxiPaxi Dagestani MMA Boiled Egg Expert

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2017
    Messages:
    14,246
  4. Jul 4, 2018
    #4

    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2010
    Messages:
    39,177
    Location:
    C-137
    Supports:
    Free Speech
    Hopefully this has no connection with Salisbury whatsoever. Hopefully something accidental.
  5. Jul 4, 2018
    #5

    C3Pique Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2013
    Messages:
    2,478
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    Probably drugs.
  6. Jul 4, 2018
    #6

    esmufc07 Won the Grand National Sweepstake once Scout

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    34,509
    Poisoned with the same nerve agent as Sergei Skripal
  7. Jul 4, 2018
    #7

    Red Defence Full Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2009
    Messages:
    12,911
    Location:
    “United stands for attacking, attractive football
    Police confirm both patients have been exposed to Novichok.
  8. Jul 4, 2018
    #8

    Carolina Red Moderator Staff

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    22,001
    Location:
    South Carolina
    Well then. That’s gonna get interesting.
  9. Jul 4, 2018
    #9

    Red Defence Full Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2009
    Messages:
    12,911
    Location:
    “United stands for attacking, attractive football
    Yes. Far as I know the police never found any sort of container that the Novichok was dispensed from. Maybe if the perps threw it away somewhere....
  10. Jul 4, 2018
    #10

    Carolina Red Moderator Staff

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    22,001
    Location:
    South Carolina
    That might could turn out even worse if it gets in the water or something.
  11. Jul 4, 2018
    #11

    balaks Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2014
    Messages:
    7,575
    Location:
    Northern Ireland
    Supports:
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Yikes
  12. Jul 4, 2018
    #12

    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

    Joined:
    May 9, 2013
    Messages:
    17,440
    What are the chances of them stumbling upon residues of the Skripal attack?
  13. Jul 4, 2018
    #13

    Red Defence Full Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2009
    Messages:
    12,911
    Location:
    “United stands for attacking, attractive football
    If these 2 came across it then it’s unlikely to be in water.
  14. Jul 4, 2018
    #14

    Carolina Red Moderator Staff

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    22,001
    Location:
    South Carolina
    Genuine curiosity... what makes you say that?
  15. Jul 4, 2018
    #15

    Red Defence Full Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2009
    Messages:
    12,911
    Location:
    “United stands for attacking, attractive football
    Low, but not unlikely they could find a container os of some kind. The weather is very hot and it’s quite common to sit around in grassy or wooded areas.
  16. Jul 4, 2018
    #16

    Red Defence Full Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2009
    Messages:
    12,911
    Location:
    “United stands for attacking, attractive football
    Just don’t think they would have been rooting around in ponds or rivers and if they were it would probably be very diluted and spread out by now.
  17. Jul 4, 2018
    #17

    Carolina Red Moderator Staff

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2015
    Messages:
    22,001
    Location:
    South Carolina
    Gotcha. Fair point
  18. Jul 8, 2018
    #18

    Hammerfell Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2015
    Messages:
    6,816
  19. Jul 8, 2018
    #19

    EyeInTheSky Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2015
    Messages:
    9,993
    Location:
    On my sofa enjoying pineapple on its own
    is this stuff leaking out of the biological weapons research facility down the road or what?
  20. Jul 8, 2018
    #20

    C3Pique Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2013
    Messages:
    2,478
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    I live 20 minutes from Salisbury :nervous:

    Wouldn't stop me from doing my shopping there though.
  21. Jul 8, 2018
    #21

    Red Defence Full Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2009
    Messages:
    12,911
    Location:
    “United stands for attacking, attractive football
    Novichok is a chemical weapon.

    Don’t think it can magically leak on to door handles.

    Poor woman. :(
  22. Jul 8, 2018
    #22

    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots Scout

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2009
    Messages:
    33,104
    Location:
    Manchester
    You're thinking of Sainsbury's mate
  23. Jul 8, 2018
    #23

    C3Pique Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2013
    Messages:
    2,478
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    :lol: More of a Waitrose man :p
  24. Jul 8, 2018
    #24

    Arruda Love is in the air, everywhere I look around

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Messages:
    11,677
    Location:
    Azores
    Supports:
    Porto
    This is so scary. Could it have been a remnant of the previous attack?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent
  25. Jul 9, 2018
    #25

    jojojo JoJoJoJoJoJo Staff

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2007
    Messages:
    30,388
    Location:
    Welcome to Manchester reception committee
    That's the working assumption of the police etc I think. It's been suggested that the couple came across whatever container was originally used in the attack - probably disguised as something innocent looking. Maybe even something nice looking like a perfume atomiser.

    Unless the man wakes up and can tell them more, it's hard for them to identify the object or to know exactly where the couple went having touched it.
  26. Jul 9, 2018
    #26

    Penna Kind Moderator (with a bit of a mean streak) Staff

    Joined:
    May 1, 2012
    Messages:
    41,665
    Location:
    Ubi caritas et amor, Deus ibi est.
    That's a bit tasteless.
  27. Jul 9, 2018
    #27

    RedSky likes to kick 10-year-olds Scout

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2006
    Messages:
    61,884
    Location:
    Hereford FC (Soccermanager)
    To be fair, I imagine the authorities would have considered and checked.
  28. Jul 9, 2018
    #28

    Wednesday at Stoke Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2014
    Messages:
    14,578
    Location:
    København
    Supports:
    Time Travel
    UK is researching biological weapons? That can't be true.
  29. Jul 9, 2018
    #29

    EyeInTheSky Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2015
    Messages:
    9,993
    Location:
    On my sofa enjoying pineapple on its own
    Offcourse it is. They study biological warfare and research "threats" which is a way of avoiding the "we make them". How else can they study them ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36606510

    Edit: Oh and who do you think sold chemical weapons to Sadam Husseine? :lol:
  30. Jul 9, 2018
    #30

    Wednesday at Stoke Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2014
    Messages:
    14,578
    Location:
    København
    Supports:
    Time Travel
    Its freaky that the Geneva convention bans use of chemical weapons but not manufacturing them.
  31. Jul 9, 2018
    #31

    Kentonio Full Member Scout

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2013
    Messages:
    10,297
    Location:
    Stamford Bridge
    Not really, when you consider which countries actually wrote the Geneva convention. There have actually been treaties later controlling it though.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention
  32. Jul 9, 2018
    #32

    EyeInTheSky Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2015
    Messages:
    9,993
    Location:
    On my sofa enjoying pineapple on its own
    it does melt the mind. "you can make them but make sure you don't get found out using them erm.. I mean don't use them... Much". Also one has to ask why they sell them if not for use?

    absolutely vile and mental the world we live in. I don't want to depress you but there are organisations that are developing biological weapons that target specific genes and by extension ethnicities. There are groups of evil fecking cnuts that are advocating for it so knowing history I would not bet against them developing it.
  33. Jul 9, 2018
    #33

    Wednesday at Stoke Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2014
    Messages:
    14,578
    Location:
    København
    Supports:
    Time Travel
    That was the plot for Metal Gear Solid V but working in genetics I know that's nowhere near possible as of now. We can't even replicate genetic risk calculations from European ethnicities to Africans or Asians.
  34. Jul 9, 2018
    #34

    EyeInTheSky Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2015
    Messages:
    9,993
    Location:
    On my sofa enjoying pineapple on its own
    Yes thankfully. But the scary thing is people are trying and let us not forget that all these vile weapons were also theory before we found out about them after them being used on people be it war or otherwise.
  35. Jul 9, 2018
    #35

    Red Defence Full Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2009
    Messages:
    12,911
    Location:
    “United stands for attacking, attractive football
    Maybe because not all countries have signed the Geneva Convention and following protocols, so these countries can theoretically develop, manufacture and use whatever they want. They can also choose to ignore these International rules if they wish.

    There are restrictions on how much you can “manufacture” but research facilities have to manufacture small amounts in order to be able to test them for protective gear, antidotes and such. If they didn’t do that then all the countries who had signed the GC would be extremely vulnerable to attacks from any country which hadn’t signed, or any country who chose to ignore the rules of the treaty.
  36. Jul 9, 2018
    #36

    Red Defence Full Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2009
    Messages:
    12,911
    Location:
    “United stands for attacking, attractive football
    Saddam produced his own chemical weapons.
  37. Jul 9, 2018
    #37

    EyeInTheSky Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2015
    Messages:
    9,993
    Location:
    On my sofa enjoying pineapple on its own
    The US and British during the Reagan administration facilitated by Donald Rumsfeld and Tariq Aziz after meetings with Sadam. They sold him that shite to him and helped him make more in order to try and win the war against Iran. This came to light after the state department declassified thousands of documents on the 1980-88 Iran-iraq war under the FOIA.

    The same happened in Libya with Gaddafi.
  38. Jul 9, 2018
    #38

    Red Defence Full Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2009
    Messages:
    12,911
    Location:
    “United stands for attacking, attractive football
    Do you have a link for that?
  39. Jul 9, 2018
    #39

    EyeInTheSky Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2015
    Messages:
    9,993
    Location:
    On my sofa enjoying pineapple on its own
    It is common knowledge in this space, plenty of news channels went over this during the time. but here are just a few:

    Uk built a secret chemical warfare plant called "Fallaja 2".

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/mar/06/uk.iraq
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/dec/31/iraq.politics
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/2...rove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

    Sadam could not produce the stuff because he could not get hold of a load of key "ingredients". Which is where the US and UK came in. Always willing to help these good guys...

    Also, there is an interview you can watch of Gregory Ford working for the CIA who confirmed the weapons were from the US as he inspected their facilities. Not that we needed this guy to confirm it but anyway.
  40. Jul 9, 2018
    #40

    11101 Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2014
    Messages:
    9,595
    All the main Western countries manufacture and maintain stockpiles of various chemical and biological warfare agents, the US and Russia especially. It's more for research than anything else but if push ever came to shove who knows.