I think this. If they found it in the park then she may have actually used it. They are saying she had a very high dose which has proved fatal. His exposure may have just come from touching her after she had sprayed it on herself. They need to save him to have a chance of finding out. Also if it was such a container, where is it now?
Skripal Novichok Case
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Is it me or are these incidents getting nowhere near the same coverage or urgency in the News compared to the Ex-Russian spy saga?
Understandable given that these are in effect delayed casualties of the first attack, not the result of any new attack.
Incident over.
The guy who has come round must have told police what's happened now surely?
BBC and Sky reporting that a small bottle has been found (Wed) that seems to be the source of the Novichok which affected these two people. Tests underway to assess whether it is from the same batch that poisoned the Skripals.
https://news.sky.com/story/source-of-amesbury-novichok-found-in-victims-house-11436143
https://news.sky.com/story/source-of-amesbury-novichok-found-in-victims-house-11436143
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At least one of them is definitely a spy.
Found in their house 
Question is where did he find it.Found in their house
That's quite the development...
The presumption seems to be that they picked it up thinking it was some form of drugs as it was found in an area where drugs are common & they're both addicts. Weird as feck though.
How do you know that?
We don't. It's just that their backgrounds and reputations don't seem to fit the profile of master-spy/poisoner working undercover, they don't look like targets for a new attack and nothing has been found to suggest it was meant to be mass attack/random terrorist incident. She was a recovering alcoholic, and he had drug problems - social services etc knew them. That's why the opening assumption was "bad batch of drugs" rather than something more obscure.
So they're fecking good at it.
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I'm sorry, but this whole thing is a hilarious shit show. Did the administration actually investigate this properly? Or is this like the last few chemical attacks in Syria, where the administration acted first, against intelligence advice, and then de-facto became responsible for war crimes by bombing a sovereign state with no declaration of war, or any actual cause?
I have no idea what happened with this, but it smacks of a lot of dog wagging in-lieu of recent events.
I have no idea what happened with this, but it smacks of a lot of dog wagging in-lieu of recent events.
Both suspects named along with photographs and CCTV images. Both part of the Russian secret service.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-45421445
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-45421445
Well color me surprised
Genuinely interested to see how @antihenry spins this.
I assume he will wait for RT to figure the narrative for him first. I suspect they’ll find a “respectable” non-Russian journalist somewhere who will cast just enough doubt over the source of the CCTV images.
I assume he will wait for RT to figure the narrative for him first. I suspect they’ll find a “respectable” non-Russian journalist somewhere who will cast just enough doubt over the source of the CCTV images.
Chances of ever getting our hands on those blokes? Zero.
Both are photographed in Salsbury before the attack and on a plane back to Russia on the day of the attack.
Russia will try and spin but think they've been caught dead to rights here.
Russia will try and spin but think they've been caught dead to rights here.
Can someone explain what the point in this was? Like, where those people poisoned ex-spies for the UK or something?
Why they were poisoned is something you’ll have to ask the Russians.
Skripal was an MI6 double agent who compromised hundreds of Russian intelligence officers. Sentenced for high treason in 2004, Britain pushed for his release as part of a massive spy swap back in 2010 (the one where loads of Russian sleeper spies, including that fit one whose name I can’t remember, got done by the FBI and subsequently handed back).
Moved to Salisbury, settled and kept his head down. Only Russia/Putin has been on record saying that they “never forget traitors” and subsequently have a policy of state sponsored assassinations.
Anyway, all in all looks like amateur hour from the Kremlin and their utter incompetence has resulted in seriously injuries to innocent people and one fatality. Their actual target is still alive.
Oh yeah and an unprecedented number of Russian spies were deported, setting them back a few years. Hard to say what impact it’s actually had, but can’t exactly have been helpful to their cause.
Should have watched and waited until they set foot outside Russia and then furtively nabbed them both.
What are the likely ramifications of this? Expelling of diplomats to extent not done so already?
Shouldn't we be slightly more concerned about this?
Shouldn't we be slightly more concerned about this?
Which would probably lead to some of our own people going missing in retaliation.
Well the Russians would no doubt deny they were Russian anyway. In fact they may not be Russian nationals...just trained by them or hired by them.
Hopefully if they have set foot out of Russia these pics will help to track them down.
Watched a breakdown of the 2 suspects movements earlier. One has to give credit to the British investigators who pieced together their whereabouts and managed to keep the names under wrap until they could come out with all of it. Well done!
Tonight Matthew, I'm a Russian spy
Rest in peace VeevaVee. Gone but not forgotten.
Think we've gone as far as we think we can as regards response. Think HMG will make a lot of noise but nothing will get done.
I don't have to spin anything and these photos prove nothing as far as the actual poisoning goes. We still don't know who these people are, who they work for and whether they actually did what they're being accused of. And if these two are in fact GRU operatives traveling to the UK with fake passports,walking around poisoning people on the British soil, then some questions should be asked of whoever is in charge of security in this country of yours.
In any case, at least it's some sort of development. I was getting bored.
Fair play to everyone involved for deciding these guys are guilty without trial. Goodbye British legal system
Yes, they were two innocent tourists en route to Stonehenge...There will never be a trial, as you well know.
A devastating riposte. They are suspects as things stand. That is the only fact