Solskjær press conference vs Spurs (H)

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My most hated word of this season;

REBUILD
Agreed, preceded by one year of "longevity", two whole years of " philosophy" and two more of "specialists".

Nothing wrong with them inherently as we are in dire need of a long-term plan and a rebuild under a modern football philosophy and we could also use a couple of great players too in the dressing room as much as on the pitch.

The problems start when these ideas start being used as buzzwords to cover up for failures and bad judgement.

Like the " we have to go back before we can move forward" thing as a part of the rebuilding job. Which in this case translates into "how do you expect the manager to beat Spurs and City with this midfield and achieve CL qualification?" If only we had spent 150 million Euros on Longstaff and Rice......then we would be ready. Just like a previous manager who wanted Perisic to make us challenge for the title.
 
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Ugh all this ''putting the culture in the team'' sounds like Tom Cruise Scientology cult level propaganda, about instilling ethics into people.
If anything that's what I want to hear. The culture at United went from one of the best in the world to worst in the league. It's not just about instilling the right mindset (which is good), but creating an atmosphere that promotes work ethic and inspiration. Everyone needs to be happy and want to excel. It's not an easy thing to achieve.
 

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I don't mind what he says. He speaks to the cameras and protects his players and himself while painting a rosy picture. Good marketing, makes us look less desperate in transfers. I prefer this to Jose throwing a fit at everything and everyone and going after players in public.

What I do mind is the football and the results.
 

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Comes with the job.
Sure, I get that.

If we were winning everything in sight, there'd be far less moaning - that goes without saying. But it doesn't mean certain comments and reactions aren't utterly stupid.
 

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These guys hate to be challenged. They think they are right all the time, and everyone should agree with them. I've forgotten more about football than some of these guys will ever know.
You don't get to become a scout without knowing more than everyone else about football. You should be thankful we're here to share our knowledge.
 

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You don't get to become a scout without knowing more than everyone else about football. You should be thankful we're here to share our knowledge.
I'm not referring to you. And how do you prove you know more than everyone else about football anyway. That's a big statement. Really getting pissed off with this forum, when people think they know more than everyone else, so they should preach to us and we should nod our head in agreement. This forum is for FRIENDLY debate, not someone trying to shove their opinions down your throat.
WHY should I be thankful for this. If this is the way this forum is going to act, then I don't want any part of it. Someone should step in and STOP it before it is ruined by people like this. END.
 

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Exactly - and they've been screaming out for a total rebuild of the club, and when we actually start to do that they shit the bed over that as well.

We all knew we'd be inconsistent this season - we're in transition for feck's sake. People on here need to chill out a bit.
a total rebuild :lol: that will never happen with Ed and the Glazers

Ole is delusional and talks crap as usual, he has no clue how to coach players, nevermind instill any sort of culture or total rebuild. His bullshit is for the weak and delusional, he is a con artist.

total rebuild under him will be an average squad lambering around midtable. If you are incompetent, it is not a rebuild, you can call it like that, but the truth is out therefor everyone to see
 

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I'm not referring to you. And how do you prove you know more than everyone else about football anyway. That's a big statement. Really getting pissed off with this forum, when people think they know more than everyone else, so they should preach to us and we should nod our head in agreement. This forum is for FRIENDLY debate, not someone trying to shove their opinions down your throat.
WHY should I be thankful for this. If this is the way this forum is going to act, then I don't want any part of it. Someone should step in and STOP it before it is ruined by people like this. END.
Oh we've got proof alright. Can you prove this first though?
I've forgotten more about football than some of these guys will ever know.
 

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You don't get to become a scout without knowing more than everyone else about football. You should be thankful we're here to share our knowledge.
Bloody hell. :lol:
Should we be Ole in or out mate?
 

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These guys hate to be challenged. They think they are right all the time, and everyone should agree with them. I've forgotten more about football than some of these guys will ever know.
I'm not referring to you. And how do you prove you know more than everyone else about football anyway. That's a big statement. Really getting pissed off with this forum, when people think they know more than everyone else, so they should preach to us and we should nod our head in agreement. This forum is for FRIENDLY debate, not someone trying to shove their opinions down your throat.
WHY should I be thankful for this. If this is the way this forum is going to act, then I don't want any part of it. Someone should step in and STOP it before it is ruined by people like this. END.
:lol:
 

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Oh we've got proof alright. Can you prove this first though?
I can, and the most important thing here is I RESPECT peoples opinions without trying to prove it, and name calling. You will all ruin this forum if your not pulled up over it. I seen the last forum I was on, closed down over name calling. If you don't agree with some, Your called a " Shit Poster" The moderators should be more strict.
 

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I can, and the most important thing here is I RESPECT peoples opinions without trying to prove it, and name calling. You will all ruin this forum if your not pulled up over it. I seen the last forum I was on, closed down over name calling. If you don't agree with some, Your called a " Shit Poster" The moderators should be more strict.
I agree. Although there's been a fair bit of name calling and argument baiting (eg. 'Pogba lover') from your side. Let's all just move on.
 

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I agree. Although there's been a fair bit of name calling and argument baiting (eg. 'Pogba lover') from your side. Let's all just move on.
I never called you any names, so why do you have to come on and slate me. I'm just sick of this, You can't have a friendly debate without you not been able to control it in a mannerly way. The first one to name call was your mate Roonster.
 

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I never called you any names, so why do you have to come on and slate me. I'm just sick of this, You can't have a friendly debate without you not been able to control it in a mannerly way. The first one to name call was your mate Roonster.
Go back and read the conversation. It's just tiresome with just posting randomly. It's not even hard.

Since you are struggling , here is the conversation

He hasn't rushed back since then. 5 games this season tells you.
Tells you what?
Tell you how much he really wants out.
Why can't it be the simple case of serious injury where the player needs time to recover? Why should we always look for tinfoil hat stuff?

Did you think Ronaldo also faked injury when he wanted to leave in 2008 summer and then missed couple of months in 2008-09 season?
I know your a Pogba lover mate. But what does he give us anymore. 250k a week to stroll around the pitch when he doesn't want to be here.
I'm following United for 50 years and you can't tell me that I don't see a guy who's not wanting to be here.
I know you are a shit poster, oh wait we should play nice.

No one said Pogba wants to stay here, I said he is not faking injury.
 

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Go back and read the conversation. It's just tiresome with just posting randomly. It's not even hard.

Since you are struggling , here is the conversation

Yes, I'm struggling to put up with you any longer. Go to hell, and try and shove your opinions down someone else's throat. Know all. Don't answer my posts if I'm ever on again.
 

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Yes, I'm struggling to put up with you any longer. Go to hell, and try and shove your opinions down someone else's throat. Know all. Don't answer my posts if I'm ever on again.
Then stop lying, simple as that.
 

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I agree. Although there's been a fair bit of name calling and argument baiting (eg. 'Pogba lover') from your side. Let's all just move on.
So you just came on to me to continue this argument. Sorry state, this forum.
 

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I never called you any names, so why do you have to come on and slate me. I'm just sick of this, You can't have a friendly debate without you not been able to control it in a mannerly way. The first one to name call was your mate Roonster.
I've not slated you. You're going well overboard.

Disagreements will happen on the internet, and like you say it's better to just discuss and not be dicks to each other. Calling someone a 'Pogba lover' will cause a negative reaction, because there's so many people that jump straight in with shouts of an agenda when they have an opinion that differs, and it's an infuriating response.

We've all been worked up by a discussion online. Like I say, best to just move on.

So you just came on to me to continue this argument. Sorry state, this forum.
I was on the wind up because of your comical comment about knowing more about football and having a go at the scouts. Nothing more. You flipped your lid.
 

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If anything that's what I want to hear. The culture at United went from one of the best in the world to worst in the league. It's not just about instilling the right mindset (which is good), but creating an atmosphere that promotes work ethic and inspiration. Everyone needs to be happy and want to excel. It's not an easy thing to achieve.
There's nought wrong with the goal of improving the culture and mentality of the club.

The problem is when soundbites such as ''working hard to improve the culture'' is used as a crutch to justify his time here over results and performance.

Intangible themes such as culture, ''rebuild' removing ''deadwood'' has come to define the positives of Ole's tenure here.

Much of it overplayed as it is hardly as if we had a bunch of players who were constantly out drinking, going AOWL or consistently having bad discipline on the pitch or we were seeing things that haven't happened at other clubs such as the team losing morale after losing faith in the manager.

I can't think of many players in the last few years that has been a big issue.

The only exceptions you could argue who have caused problems off the pitch are Pogba(even though this is stirred up and overplayed by a media with an agenda) Di Maria and arguably Lukaku who had made it known he wished to leave after clearly not being in the manager's plans. 2 players in the last several years can you pinpoint for a fact who have caused marginal problems

Now its been the narrative and myth that the foreign players only come here for a good time to play for money, when I look back at the players we signed post Fergie, all of them tried their best and some obviously didn't work out due to not being able to fit into a particlar system, or a number of other factors but the last thing it was down to was having a bad attitude or bringing some unwanted cultural habit that infested the club.

Which is why I find it very distasteful for Ole to be making claims about building a new culture and proganganda about the culture being rotten and the remedy for this reboot is to exclusively target British Talent, as if they are infallible and more professional than their foreign counterparts.

Of course they are often more loyal to the cause since it stands to reason that not many are brave enough to test their talents abroad and are comfortable at home in a familiar environment. However more often than not more susceptible to ill discipline, poor attitude and a penchant for the good time lifestyle off the pitch.

We've already seen it with the likes of Lingard and Rashford, two players who Ole' sees as his own sons. Luke Shaw, Wayne Rooney are other culprits who have not brought a beneficial example to the rest of the team off the pitch, with their tendencies to abuse their bodies.

The truth is the culture was not terrible we just had a few players who were overstaying their welcome, past their best, or had their mind set on a moves as they had bigger ambitions.

That's not a cultural problem, that is a player problem.

Spurs has a team with players with a similar problem but they don't need a cultural reboot. They just needed to sell those players or get a manager who the players wanted to play for.

The same with this rebuild transitional rubbish. The squad Ole took over didn't needed to be cut down and rebuilt. It simply needed additions and a manager capable of coaching them how to play as a unit and grant the ones who wished to leave.
 

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Just watched Oles press conference, he looked a beaten man to me. He looked to be trying to sound positive with the “we are working hard” comments but there is no sign of the bullishness he had when he took over.. “we are Manchester United, we have good players” i will be successful her - etc etc
i really hope he turns this round but I’m not feeling it from him now. Hes only human and must be feeling the pressure.
He’s always been quite limited. When he came all he did was spoke about SAF, playing a high press, United values, etc but his never been an engaging chap to listen to.
 

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These guys hate to be challenged. They think they are right all the time, and everyone should agree with them. I've forgotten more about football than some of these guys will ever know.
In the main forums interacting with full members they are posters just like anyone else. The scout tag is relatively meaningless here, with the exception of liking one of a newbie's allotted five main forum posts per day.

What you describe (hating being challenged, thinking they are always right and that everyone should agree with them) applies to pretty much everyone posting.
 

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This is factually incorrect. I have the data to prove it. If I can be arsed sometime soon Ill make a detailed post about it.
So your comment means nothing until you release the data.:nono: