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Until there's a improvement which it has in last 3 games, he's on a sticky wicket, he's going to get slammed, I for one was not for him to become permanent manager, ok he's got it, been backed going to still be backed according to the club.

I'm not a big fan of his management, but if he's still here he has to be backed, if he gets the sack he won't be missed, unless Jan window and next summer window players come in and it improves massive. Let's just see how the season pans out!!
 

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The fact you thing a comparison between City having injuries in one position and having an inarguably better squad than ours by far, just shows how delusional you are on the whole thing. They replaced Rodri with a £50mil CB to play CB in your very example ffs. :lol:

To keep it plain and simple: anyone who thinks injuries is not a mitigating circumstance when it comes to a teams performance is being wilfully ignorant in order to push an agenda. Anyone who then tries to draw comparisons with teams comfortably better than ours and who’s injuries aren’t as bad as ours, can only be a WUM.
Can you just explain this to me please?

I’m not saying it’s not a mitigating circumstance but we are blaming injuries for only wining 3 games in the league! Maybe you should explain that to me please also.
 

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I will never give him a chance. My mind is made up. He’s not good enough. But if I was the owner then he would deserve a full season as long as he continues to challenge for top 4. By challenge I mean actually being able to achieve it.

I think that’s fair.
So it is personal thing you have against him. Fair enough.

Is it the same for every ManUtd manager? I wonder what you would have said when we appointed Sir Alex Ferguson and struggled first years with him. If you were in charge we would never had that success like we did with Fergie because you would not have given him time. Right?
 

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This. He's one of the only posters I've ever put on ignore. Completely useless. Without even seeing who it was I was able to guess who the argument must be with. Nothing is gained from trying to have a discussion with him.
Good for you. Gather your troops.

Ignoring people on a football forum like your some type of celebrity. If I’m on ignore don’t respond on my post to other people. They don’t concern you.
 

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So it is personal thing you have against him. Fair enough.

Is it the same for every ManUtd manager? I wonder what you would have said when we appointed Sir Alex Ferguson and struggled first years with him. If you were in charge we would never had that success like we did with Fergie because you would not have given him time. Right?
Wouldn’t know I wasn’t born and we wasn’t as successful as we was after Fergie retired.. so naturally I expect expectations to change. It’s like assuming Chelsea fans of today have the same expectations of Chelsea fans 30 years ago.

It’s also never personal... for it to be personal I would have to dislike him as an individual which is abit pathetic. Maybe it is what it is. I don’t rate him because he’s not good enough. It’s like asking me to suddenly turn round and like Phil Jones.
 

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Can you just explain this to me please?

I’m not saying it’s not a mitigating circumstance but we are blaming injuries for only wining 3 games in the league! Maybe you should explain that to me please also.
Why would you need that explaining? What part don’t you understand?

Clearly you are, otherwise what you’ve said makes zero sense. Why would I explain that? I’ve not made the point it’s the only reason, but it’s clearly contributed to it.
 

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Wouldn’t know I wasn’t born and we wasn’t as successful as we was after Fergie retired.. so naturally I expect expectations to change. It’s like assuming Chelsea fans of today have the same expectations of Chelsea fans 30 years ago.

It’s also never personal... for it to be personal I would have to dislike him as an individual which is abit pathetic. Maybe it is what it is. I don’t rate him because he’s not good enough. It’s like asking me to suddenly turn round and like Phil Jones.
You said that you made up your mind. That means that whatever Solskjaer does, it doesn't matter. For you, he is not good enough. Even if he would win a trophy he wouldn't be good enough. And when someone says like that it means that it is a personal thing. You don't like him.

I can tell you that football in our club has not always been sunshine if you never experienced that. We have been even in worst state than we are right now. And as I said, with your thinking I don't think you would have given Sir Alex a chance. And I think that you are judging people to fast.
 

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Why would you need that explaining? What part don’t you understand?

Clearly you are, otherwise what you’ve said makes zero sense. Why would I explain that? I’ve not made the point it’s the only reason, but it’s clearly contributed to it.
You said replace? He came back from injury for one. Then trying to be smart using his price tag would be like me saying we replaced Pogba with a £50m centre midfield going off your logic.

You have to cheek to go off on me changing topic to prove a point. What was that.?
 

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You said that you made up your mind. That means that whatever Solskjaer does, it doesn't matter. For you, he is not good enough. Even if he would win a trophy he wouldn't be good enough. And when someone says like that it means that it is a personal thing. You don't like him.

I can tell you that football in our club has not always been sunshine if you never experienced that. We have been even in worst state than we are right now. And as I said, with your thinking I don't think you would have given Sir Alex a chance. And I think that you are judging people to fast.
If Solskjaer was to win the premier league with Manchester United I’ll change my mind. There you go. Let’s see if I change my mind. That less personal now?

I know what it’s been like from looking back in history. But we can only live in the hear and now and I can not judge Solskjaer under the same circumstances as Fergie. First of all there C.V’s were miles apart and our expectations too. I mean we hadn’t won a league since 1967. If you didn’t live through the 60’s how could you have any expectations as what I have now?
 

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You said replace? He came back from injury for one. Then trying to be smart using his price tag would be like me saying we replaced Pogba with a £50m centre midfield going off your logic.

You have to cheek to go off on me changing topic to prove a point. What was that.?
Stones literally came on for Rodri when he went off injured. That's not replacing him though... :lol:

Your entire posting history in this thread is a conveyer belt of arguments with points people haven't actually said. Read what I actually wrote and come and try and justify the direction you've turned it.

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No, people were happy we got a win playing good football. We're no longer missing half of our starting XI and lo' and behold, the football improves. Who'd have thunk it?
For which you've chosen to move in a direction of City being in second place because they've had CBs injured and therefore, what I've said couldn't possibly be correct! Along the way you've also chosen to change 'Starting XI' to 'squad' and stated there isn't a difference between the two, insinuated I'm saying our only problem is injuries, and equating Liverpool having an injured keeper is the same as every injury we've had so far.
 
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Stones literally came on for Rodri when he went off injured. That's not replacing him though... :lol:

Your entire posting history in this thread is a conveyer belt of arguments with points people haven't actually said. Read what I actually wrote and come and try and justify the direction you've turned it.

I said:



For which you've chosen to move in a direction of City being in second place because they've had CBs injured and therefore, what I've said couldn't possibly be correct! Along the way you've also chosen to change 'Starting XI' to 'squad' and stated there isn't a difference between the two, insinuated I'm saying our only problem is injuries, and equating Liverpool having an injured keeper is the same as every injury we've had so far.
You said we missed half of our starting 11. It was 3 players. When we had our full 11 I’m still scratching my head to this good football you are talking about.
 

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If Solskjaer was to win the premier league with Manchester United I’ll change my mind. There you go. Let’s see if I change my mind. That less personal now?

I know what it’s been like from looking back in history. But we can only live in the hear and now and I can not judge Solskjaer under the same circumstances as Fergie. First of all there C.V’s were miles apart and our expectations too. I mean we hadn’t won a league since 1967. If you didn’t live through the 60’s how could you have any expectations as what I have now?
Less personal. So it is Premier League or bust. It's all about trophies. No problem. Now we know. That means, every manager that doesn't win Premier League (or some trophy) is bad. Even if his name is Pochettino, Farke or whoever.

I don't know what you expectation were before season but you can't be serious if you now say that we would challenge for the league. That means that you automaticly dissaproved Ole. With other words. He never ever got a chance from you. I hoped for top four but that was before our injuries hit us. I still hope for that but I will not be dissapointed if we don't get to top four because of state of the club right now. We are going forward but things take time.
 

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Less personal. So it is Premier League or bust. It's all about trophies. No problem. Now we know. That means, every manager that doesn't win Premier League (or some trophy) is bad. Even if his name is Pochettino, Farke or whoever.

I don't know what you expectation were before season but you can't be serious if you now say that we would challenge for the league. That means that you automaticly dissaproved Ole. With other words. He never ever got a chance from you. I hoped for top four but that was before our injuries hit us. I still hope for that but I will not be dissapointed if we don't get to top four because of state of the club right now. We are going forward but things take time.
Yes mate because every scenario is the same. I get what you’re trying to prove but it’s not going to wash. You wanted a scenario where I would change my mind on Ole and I told you. I didn’t say this was my expectations for any other manager but him.

No no. I always hoped Ole would do well I just know he’s not. Got nothing to do with start of season expectations etc. You can rely on time but I don’t need it. I’m not going to change your view and you won’t change mine. I just know my view will turn out to be right and yours won’t. But we can come back to discuss this in the long term and see who was right.
 

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Yes mate because every scenario is the same. I get what you’re trying to prove but it’s not going to wash. You wanted a scenario where I would change my mind on Ole and I told you. I didn’t say this was my expectations for any other manager but him.

No no. I always hoped Ole would do well I just know he’s not. Got nothing to do with start of season expectations etc. You can rely on time but I don’t need it. I’m not going to change your view and you won’t change mine. I just know my view will turn out to be right and yours won’t. But we can come back to discuss this in the long term and see who was right.
Then it is personal.

Times will tell how it is going to go. I hope that we will be successfull with Ole. You are sure that you will be right. I would not be that confident.
 

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Mainoldo struggling to form coherent arguments? Now where have I seen that before... :yawn:
 

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I didnt see anything different today. Zero shots on target no goals from open play, one goal form pen the other from a foul, playing with 5 defenders.
I don't think the game plan was to hypnotise them with our gorgeous football. I think the only thing he maybe did wrong tonight was not getting the better players on sooner in the 2nd half. We were under the cosh. For the 1st half I thought we were significantly the better team.
 

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I didnt see anything different today. Zero shots on target no goals from open play, one goal form pen the other from a foul, playing with 5 defenders.
Oh, bless you. Chelsea has zero shot on target from open play in the first half and 2 shots on target coming out from outside penalty box.
 

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I wonder what you would have said when we appointed Sir Alex Ferguson and struggled first years with him. If you were in charge we would never had that success like we did with Fergie because you would not have given him time. Right?
SAF was the one out of a million! This will never ever happen again.
 
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Why because I didn’t mention any players in the same positions as you have. So my argument is only valid if the scenario is exactly the same to what we have witnessed so therefore I’ll never have a valid argument?

To keep it plan and simple then. Injuries should never be an excuse in football. It’s lame, every club has injures.
Every club has injuries - but some people have more or if than others. But yes - that could be down to poor preparations from the club (wrong training methods, wrong type of players, wrong playing-style) - or it could be down to bad luck.

If 5 players get hamstring injuries - there's usually something wrong at the club. If 5 players get freak injuries or get injured due to nasty tackles - it's bad luck.

But if a club get 10 injuries - of course it matters. The problem is - if a club has a complete squad - a well worked-out playing system (which you only get from a few years of playing in the same style) you can cope. You can get a youngster up from the reserves, or play a player out of position for a few matches. But even with the best of clubs if you get too much - you can't cope. In addition - the managed needs to know the players 100% - so he knows which players can do what. Ferguson knew that - Klopp and Guardiola probably do as well now - because they have at the club a long time.

I remember some matches with Ferguson where we had to play a make-shift defence with Fletcher and Carrick - and were destroyed (i Think Fulham did it to us once) - in other matches we could play Park and Rafael in midfield against Arsenal and win. Sometimes it works - sometimes it doesn't!

We are not there - we don't have the squad for it, we haven't implemented a playing-style yet, and OGS doesn't know the players well enough to know who he can trust (but I think he is getting closer)

So you can say that every club has injuries - and it shouldn't be used as an excuse - but every club also has that one player - or two, which they can't replace. If Liverpool get van Dijk and Mane injured long-term - they will still be a very strong side, but they won't win the League. If City lose Sterling and Aguero - same thing. Strong, but they wont win the league.

And when we lose Pogba and Martial - in addition to a lot of other injuries - it hurts us. It's not an excuse - but it's an explanation.
 

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I didnt see anything different today. Zero shots on target no goals from open play, one goal form pen the other from a foul, playing with 5 defenders.
Bang on. This is the bigger picture irrespective of results - our style of play is atrocious. We approach every game as though we are a team fighting relegation. How many times did teams used to come to Old Trafford and pack their defence in the hope of nicking a goal? That is us now. We did the same against Rochdale and will probably do the same against Colchester. We are still one of the most expensively assembled and highest paid squads in world football.

I'm not convinced by Solskjaer, but he's bought himself time with these results.
 

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I didnt see anything different today. Zero shots on target no goals from open play, one goal form pen the other from a foul, playing with 5 defenders.
Winning or losing makes a hell lot of difference to me, tbh.
 

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I wish we would make our mind up, is it the points that matter or the football we are playing? I thought everybody hated Jose for his ultra defensive style that wasn’t the United way.
Thankfully last night we won whilst playing well, plenty of good performances from the lads to be proud of, no?;)
 

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I wish we would make our mind up, is it the points that matter or the football we are playing? I thought everybody hated Jose for his ultra defensive style that wasn’t the United way.
There's a time and a place though right?

Our teams been on a poor run of results while Chelsea were flying high on confidence. Why exactly would we play an open, attacking game against them away from home? Surely that would just be asking for trouble? Instead we were compact and yet we still managed to have more shots on target than them. I'm not sure how anyone can complain about yesterday's performance. Unless you're just looking to critise everything little thing Ole does, in that case you're simply an agenda poster.

It's the performances against the teams we should be beating that are up for debate. Palace, Newcastle, Southampton etc. Those are the matches we should be dominating the opposition and Ole should be rightly critised for.
 

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Seen this with Moyes. A win or two, people who before were staying quiet start talking loudly again about “see hahaha, support our the manager have patience “
 

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So it is personal thing you have against him. Fair enough.

Is it the same for every ManUtd manager? I wonder what you would have said when we appointed Sir Alex Ferguson and struggled first years with him. If you were in charge we would never had that success like we did with Fergie because you would not have given him time. Right?
If we keep on this attitude we're having at the moment fergie wouldnt have gotten the job and atkinson would still be our manager
 

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Oh, bless you. Chelsea has zero shot on target from open play in the first half and 2 shots on target coming out from outside penalty box.
Its difficult to have shots on target against a manager who parks the bus right?
 

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Seen this with Moyes. A win or two, people who before were staying quiet start talking loudly again about “see hahaha, support our the manager have patience “
It's kind of the opposite of Moyes in a way. Dave tended to do ok beating the middle tier teams, but would always get smashed in the big games. It's getting results from the smaller clubs that sit back and defend well that we really struggle against (have done for years tbh).

Personally, I think the club should support Ole this January window. Bring in a midfielder and a striker and see where he gets us by end of the season. It's clear that we aren't going to get relegated, at worst we might finish outside the top 6. But at least give him till the end of the season and then review where we're at.

The positive I can see from Ole is that he tends to do ok against the top clubs. The below are all the results so far against what i'd call the big clubs in the PL/CL.

13-1-19 | Tottenham (A) - 1:0 win
25-1-19 | Arsenal (A) - 3:1 win

12-2-19 | PSG (H) - 2:0 loss
18-2-19 | Chelsea (A) - 2:0 win
24-2-19 | Liverpool (H) - 0:0 draw
6-3-19 | PSG (A) - 3:1 win
10-3-19 | Arsenal (A) - 2:0 loss
10-4-19 | Barcelona (H) - 1:0 loss
16-4-19 | Barcelona (A) - 3:0 loss
24-4-19 | Manchester City (H) - 2:0 loss

28-4-19 | Chelsea (H) - 1-1 draw
11-8-19 | Chelsea (H) - 4:0 win
30-9-19 | Arsenal (H) - 1:1 draw
20-10-19 | Liverpool (A) - 1:1 draw
30-10-10 | Chelsea (A) - 2:1 win
 

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Its difficult to have shots on target against a manager who parks the bus right?
Tell that to everyone who comes on here saying Ole is a bad manager when we struggle against teams who sit deep. :lol:
 

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It's kind of the opposite of Moyes in a way. Dave tended to do ok beating the middle tier teams, but would always get smashed in the big games.

Personally, I think the club should support Ole this January window. Bring in a midfielder and a striker and see where he gets us by end of the season. It's clear that we aren't going to get relegated, at worst we might finish outside the top 6. But at least give him till the end of the season and then review where we're at.

The positive I can see from Ole is that he tends to do ok against the top clubs. The below are all the results so far against what i'd call the big clubs in the PL/CL. It's getting results from the clubs that sit back and defend well that we really struggle against (have done for years tbh).

13-1-19 | Tottenham (A) - 1:0 win
25-1-19 | Arsenal (A) - 3:1 win

12-2-19 | PSG (H) - 2:0 loss
18-2-19 | Chelsea (A) - 2:0 win
24-2-19 | Liverpool (H) - 0:0 draw
6-3-19 | PSG (A) - 3:1 win
10-3-19 | Arsenal (A) - 2:0 loss
10-4-19 | Barcelona (H) - 1:0 loss
16-4-19 | Barcelona (A) - 3:0 loss
24-4-19 | Manchester City (H) - 2:0 loss

28-4-19 | Chelsea (H) - 1-1 draw
11-8-19 | Chelsea (H) - 4:0 win
30-9-19 | Arsenal (H) - 1:1 draw
20-10-19 | Liverpool (A) - 1:1 draw
30-10-10 | Chelsea (A) - 2:1 win
This is how I’ve been viewing it as well. More often than not Ole’s team turns up against the big teams.

This is a trait that we have had on and off for years. We often worry more about games like Norwich away instead of Chelsea away for example.

It’s better to prove yourself against the stronger sides and then gradually change the mindset of the players to keep their motivation for the ‘smaller’ fixtures.

Again this is where another transfer window will help Ole massively, especially if we make another solid set of signings like we did in the summer. I honestly believe this side could really start kicking on with 3 more quality signings.
 

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The fact you thing a comparison between City having injuries in one position and having an inarguably better squad than ours by far, just shows how delusional you are on the whole thing. They replaced Rodri with a £50mil CB to play CB in your very example ffs. :lol:

To keep it plain and simple: anyone who thinks injuries is not a mitigating circumstance when it comes to a teams performance is being wilfully ignorant in order to push an agenda. Anyone who then tries to draw comparisons with teams comfortably better than ours and who’s injuries aren’t as bad as ours, can only be a WUM.
It´s also not like we lost some squad players here, Martial is our only Striker, Shaw our nr1 leftback and Pogba is our star player. Any club would have felt this but due to our lack of depth we truly felt it.
 

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I wish we would make our mind up, is it the points that matter or the football we are playing? I thought everybody hated Jose for his ultra defensive style that wasn’t the United way.
If he won the league playing that brand of football, I´m not so sure there would be many complaints...

But both please. Nice football AND points. But if I have to choose, the points are of course the most important.
 

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I wish we would make our mind up, is it the points that matter or the football we are playing? I thought everybody hated Jose for his ultra defensive style that wasn’t the United way.
Mourinho had spent millions on pounds on attacking players that he personally brought to the club. Ole hasn’t had that luxury. Not yet, anyway.

If he were to buy quality attacking players and wasted, benched or sold them then the scrutiny would be merited. At the moment, our midfield three is one of McTominay, Fred and Lingard.