Solskjær sack watch | 2019/20 edition

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Woodward appointed him. How is this not his cock up?
It clearly wasn’t Woodward’s choice to bring in Ole and Phelan, it’s come directly from Fergie who managed to sell the idea to the owners and Ed.
Obviously it’s a club cock up and Ed once again is part of that, but it wasn’t for a second Ed’s choice alone.
Hopefully the club grow some balls and do what they should have done last time... appoint someone who is suited to the task and who is qualified. I doubt it though as i don’t think money and spending is the big problem at the club, we’re inept from the top down so the guys upstairs will keep listening to SAF who’ll convince them that the only way forward is to give Ole time.
 

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Our best player's are Ole signings. I don't think he has a conventional contract of employment. He has an agreement to take the club on the long less-followed path. If they agree they collectively have been wrong then so be it. But I dont think they need to win anything this season. But definite signs of improvement would help.
 

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If Ole can pull out draws they will let this suffering continue. There won't be enough negative reaction to create the sentiment for change.

If he gets spanked 4-0 x 2 he'll be gone by Sunday night.

Got to remember that for the first time since SAF, we actually had the right idea. Use Ole as caretaker and scout for a long term replacement. A combination of results, fan zealotry and likely player pressure ruined that. Now we are stuck in this position. There's always going to be a tipping point no matter what the club say. Getting absolutely spanked by Spurs and City will see Ole getting sacked.

He should never have been a contender right away. If the club could genuinely say at the end of an exhaustive half season + off season search that they couldn't find the right fit, then MAYBE Ole should've got a shot. It's all pretty moot now, we're either going to limp to the end of the season around 9th-10 and he'll get the sack, or Spurs+City will destroy us and the board will have to act.
 

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Our best player's are Ole signings. I don't think he has a conventional contract of employment. He has an agreement to take the club on the long less-followed path. If they agree they collectively have been wrong then so be it. But I dont think they need to win anything this season. But definite signs of improvement would help.
As a fellow Newbie let me say that the "Ole signings" thing is a bit of a misstatement. We had already identified Maguire before Ole took charge. Also James was identified by Giggs.
If Ole can pull out draws they will let this suffering continue. There won't be enough negative reaction to create the sentiment for change.

If he gets spanked 4-0 x 2 he'll be gone by Sunday night.

Got to remember that for the first time since SAF, we actually had the right idea. Use Ole as caretaker and scout for a long term replacement. A combination of results, fan zealotry and likely player pressure ruined that. Now we are stuck in this position. There's always going to be a tipping point no matter what the club say. Getting absolutely spanked by Spurs and City will see Ole getting sacked.

He should never have been a contender right away. If the club could genuinely say at the end of an exhaustive half season + off season search that they couldn't find the right fit, then MAYBE Ole should've got a shot. It's all pretty moot now, we're either going to limp to the end of the season around 9th-10 and he'll get the sack, or Spurs+City will destroy us and the board will have to act.
Well fortunately it's not too late as Poch is now available. Based on the media reports (yes i know) he was the one primed for the job after Ole.
 

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Aye, that's true enough. I think losing to Spurs midweek may see him sacked regardless of our players' feelings on the matter.

Imagine getting sacked following a defeat to the team managed by the guy you replaced, only to then get replaced by the guy who got replaced by the guy who just got you sacked.

Congratulations if you managed to read and follow the above sentence without your brain falling out of your head.
It's written in the stars :drool:
 

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Nice selection of stats for Ole, completely ignore his caretaker stint to prove a point...
To be fair, including them would be biased as well, it quite clearly wasnt a normal and unbiased situation. We won those games because the players got freed from Jose's tyranny, rather than Ole's genius. The tea lady would have won some games managing us. It went downhill football wise almost immediately and then results wise after a while, reaching the peak at Paris away.

Either way, you dont need stats to prove a point. Just look at the games and the table, and the lack of any sort of evolution or print
 

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He’ll be sacked next Monday after losing against Spurs and City.
 

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It clearly wasn’t Woodward’s choice to bring in Ole and Phelan, it’s come directly from Fergie who managed to sell the idea to the owners and Ed.
Obviously it’s a club cock up and Ed once again is part of that, but it wasn’t for a second Ed’s choice alone.
Hopefully the club grow some balls and do what they should have done last time... appoint someone who is suited to the task and who is qualified. I doubt it though as i don’t think money and spending is the big problem at the club, we’re inept from the top down so the guys upstairs will keep listening to SAF who’ll convince them that the only way forward is to give Ole time.
Except you just made that up. Unless you have some sort of evidence?

I refuse to believe that Fergie is that foolish. Ed, though? Yeah, he is. Gives Jose a new contract. Decides that Jose doesn't really know anything about defenders, so vetoes signing Maguire. Because he's no better than what we have. Then sacks Jose, appoints a complete novice, and buys Maguire for a world record fee. You really couldn't make it up.
 
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To be fair, including them would be biased as well, it quite clearly wasnt a normal and unbiased situation. We won those games because the players got freed from Jose's tyranny, rather than Ole's genius. The tea lady would have won some games managing us. It went downhill football wise almost immediately and then results wise after a while, reaching the peak at Paris away.

Either way, you dont need stats to prove a point. Just look at the games and the table, and the lack of any sort of evolution or print
Odd how the players have rushed to congratulate him on his Spuds appointment? Maybe he wasn't as bad as you've been led to believe by the media.
Plus removing games to prove a point is bias, if you're judging a manager, then his entire record should count. Any manager who can get a 60% plus win record over a sustain period is a good manager. Ole doesn't fall into that category at United, but to simply remove his purple patch is just wrong.
 

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Thing is ole us just part of a team he isn't seperate from Woodward it is an experiment and I'm glad they have stuck with it as long as they have
 

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Our best player's are Ole signings. I don't think he has a conventional contract of employment. He has an agreement to take the club on the long less-followed path. If they agree they collectively have been wrong then so be it. But I dont think they need to win anything this season. But definite signs of improvement would help.
Who's our best player this season?
 

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Because I have read that sentence too many times on here: „we are not a sacking club“.

Number of Managers in the last ten years:

Manchester United: 6
Manchester City: 5
Liverpool: 5
Chelsea: 13
Arsenal: 3

Bayern: 11
Real: 8
Barcelona: 5
 

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Why? They also didnt include his Cardiff stint
I don't get the obsession with win percentage. Poch was doing good work at Southampton, yet his numbers would suggest that he's inferior to Marco Silva.
 

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That graphic is wrong. Its actually 23 played and 6 won.
That's even worse then :lol:

To embarrass ourselves again?
Well, what do you expect after being in the shit for 6 years?

I don't get the obsession with win percentage. Poch was doing good work at Southampton, yet his numbers would suggest that he's inferior to Marco Silva.
It's not an obsession nor a meaningless stats like xG, it shows you how little We've won with him as the permanent manager. Should We ignore points as well because it's just a meaningless number? We're closer to relegation than Wolverhampton.
 
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I don't get the obsession with win percentage. Poch was doing good work at Southampton, yet his numbers would suggest that he's inferior to Marco Silva.
Pochettino at Espanyol:
160 games: 53W, 38D, 69L, 183:215,
1.23 p/game.

Pochettino at Southampton:
60 games: 23W, 18D, 19L, 87:73, 1.45 p/game.

And at Spurs:
293 games: 160W, 60D, 73L, 559:322, 1.84p/game.
 

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So you're Ole In then?
Wahey! :)

Seems to me that Ole is all about playing up to fans romanticism with the nice words but once I look past all that and focus just on the performances, I'm not impressed at all. We play like pure rubbish. At this point, we don't even look like a football team.

We seem to go from game to game, hoping to get lucky. I can't see any clear patterns to our play. (This has gone to pot since LVG)

I'm hoping this will change in the summer when we have a clear out but I'm not holding my breath after the renewed contracts to Young & Jones.

In short, I don't have high hopes for next season. I think him & the staff are just bluffers.
Do i look like Ole out to you?
 

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I don't get the obsession with win percentage. Poch was doing good work at Southampton, yet his numbers would suggest that he's inferior to Marco Silva.
It's not an obsession. Nobody brought up fergie or jose, nobody even brought up pep.

But that 26% really shows people that we're showing progress under ole as hoax. We're not.
 

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There's nothing to learn from that tweet.

Even if the board were preparing to sack Ole, the last thing they would do is suggest as much to Jamie Jackson. The board have been supportive of all our managers post-Fergie, only to throw them to the wolves when the time was right in their eyes.
That was the point of that tweet. Jamie Jackson said Jose was safe before getting sacked, now said Ole is safe.
 

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As much as I think the sooner he's sacked, the better, it feels more grim than ever. I certainly won't be jumping around, the club is in a tragic state.
Yeah I feel exactly the same but just don't see a pre Christmas sacking happening for the second year in a row because Woody (Toy Story) hasn't got it in him to sack a club legend and these backing him briefs fill me with complete and utter dread. Yes I know the same things were said about Mourinho & LVG pre sacking but then those guys weren't ex Utd players were they.
 

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Tbh Steve, we've known about not having a midfield before we even made a signing in the summer. There was rumours floating around in the summer that we were going to sign only 2 or 3 players and I even suggested on here at the time, that if that was the case then I'd rather see the entire budget spent on reinforcing the midfield and attack. To then see Ole spend £130m on a RB and CB who aren't anywhere close to being the best in their roles was extremely naive to which my response was that he had sacrificed the whole season with his naive thought process.

Our midfield is a state, not just because of the board but also due to Solkjaer and it was very easily predicted before hand.
I said we might finish 10th without getting a midfielder. I said it all Summer. I don't believe Ole is that naive.

I believe Ed is though.
 

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Aye, that's true enough. I think losing to Spurs midweek may see him sacked regardless of our players' feelings on the matter.

Imagine getting sacked following a defeat to the team managed by the guy you replaced, only to then get replaced by the guy who got replaced by the guy who just got you sacked.

Congratulations if you managed to read and follow the above sentence without your brain falling out of your head.
I got you. :lol:
 

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The difference between that situation and now is Woody (Toy Story) found it easier to sack Mourinho as he had no affiliation to this club, deep down I just cannot see him having the guts to do that even though it's definitely the right way to go
You think fans will revolt if Ole is sacked? I think not I believe most people deep down are Ole out but can't bring themselves to push for the sacking of a club legend/popular former player. When the deed is done people will simply accept it and move on don't let these impassioned defenses fool you, people know he is out of his depth.
 

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It clearly wasn’t Woodward’s choice to bring in Ole and Phelan, it’s come directly from Fergie who managed to sell the idea to the owners and Ed.
Obviously it’s a club cock up and Ed once again is part of that, but it wasn’t for a second Ed’s choice alone.
Hopefully the club grow some balls and do what they should have done last time... appoint someone who is suited to the task and who is qualified. I doubt it though as i don’t think money and spending is the big problem at the club, we’re inept from the top down so the guys upstairs will keep listening to SAF who’ll convince them that the only way forward is to give Ole time.
That's the exact opposite of what was reported at the time, which was that SAF thought the club had made a mistake and should have signed Pochettino no matter how well Ole was doing.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/25/sir-alex-ferguson-believes-manchester-united-appointed-mauricio-pochettino-ahead-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-9691618/
 
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That's the exact opposite of what was reported at the time, which was that SAF thought the club had made a mistake and should have signed Pochettino no matter how well Ole was doing.
This is what I also seem to remember, that and Fergie recconemding we get the ex Leicester City DoF. I think when Ole did so well at the beginning Woodward saw an opportunity to avoid making changes that would have made him peripheral on the footba side and managed to convince the Glazers that Jose was the problem and pretty much maintained the structure that gives him prominence in transfer dealings.
 

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This is what I also seem to remember, that and Fergie recconemding we get the ex Leicester City DoF. I think when Ole did so well at the beginning Woodward saw an opportunity to avoid making changes that would have made him peripheral on the footba side and managed to convince the Glazers that Jose was the problem and pretty much maintained the structure that gives him prominence in transfer dealings.
Yeah, here's one article and I've edited the original post with another

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7070647/Sir-Alex-Fergusons-hurt-sidelined-Manchester-United-feels-isolated.html
 

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I dont miss any points. We're abysmal result wise under ole. I dont need stats to know that.

Although the stats made me realise that ole is worst than i thought.

26 % win rate is a sackable stat even for everton
You failed to notice it was entire record at their most recent clubs, apart from Ole who had his purple patch at United removed. Oh and by the false stat is 27.2% , so you missed 1.2%.
So tell me again how you didn't miss anything :rolleyes:.
 

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I dont miss any points. We're abysmal result wise under ole. I dont need stats to know that.

Although the stats made me realise that ole is worst than i thought.

26 % win rate is a sackable stat even for everton
it isn't 26%.

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