Solskjaer target 5 signings; 6 players could leave [BBC, Telegraph, Guardian]

[friendlytramp]

In order of appearance
James boom
Meunier booom
Koulibaly boooom
Rice booooom
Maddison boooooom
Bale booooooom

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

I'd be happy if we only got Sancho, De Ligt, Wan Bissaka, and Saul (and picked up Alderweireld for free) and called it a day.

We could offload Sanchez, Rojo, Darmian, one of Bailey/Jones and push Young to the bench and that would be quite a good window.

"Only" ?

 

[Ventura]

So there's supposedly a high ranking MUFC management guy who runs straight to Reddit to post every detail from a confidential meeting, ignoring the risk of not only being fired but also an enormous lawsuit? Some people are incomprehensibly gullible.

 

[bosnian_red]

The 5 players in number I feel will increase if people like Pogba and De Gea leave. If they do, wouldn't be surprised at a few more incomings. Something like this maybe?

• Cillessen - £20m (De Gea replacement)
• Meunier - £20m
• Nicholas Pepe - £60m
• Rabiot - £0m
• Bruno Fernandes - £60m (Pogba replacement)
• Daniel James - £15m
• Koulibaly - £80m

Overall ~£250m with quite a bit in departures.

Cillessen
Meunier Koulibaly Lindelof Shaw
Fred/McT/Matic
Rabiot B. Fernandes
Pepe Rashford Martial
​

Wouldnt hate that summer at all. Mainly because Koulibaly, Meunier and Pepe and a technical midfielder incoming (though obvious problems exist with Rabiot - would prefer Tielemans but I just haven't seen enough to suggest it's much more than muppetry for him).

Would be 7 in, but that's only in the scenario that Pogba and De Gea both leave so you can also pretty readily take £85m off the total and keep Pogba and De Gea in if you think they stay. DM is still a concern, but if Pogba leaves, can't see us getting 3 new midfielders though it is what we would need. Suspect Fred/McTominay will have a chance to become starters for half a season with Matic/the other as depth players, but in 2020 definitely another mid.

 

[bosnian_red]

So there's supposedly a high ranking MUFC management guy who runs straight to Reddit to post every detail from a confidential meeting, ignoring the risk of not only being fired but also an enormous lawsuit? Some people are incomprehensibly gullible.

He's not directly connected but he has connections apparently. Pretty sure he was the guy who leaked the Kohler shirt sleeve stuff (could he wrong), which is just an incredibly random thing that turned out to be true.

We'll see how true it is. Not that any of it can be verified, apart from if Rojo gets used as a defensive mid I guess

 

[shamans]

So there's supposedly a high ranking MUFC management guy who runs straight to Reddit to post every detail from a confidential meeting, ignoring the risk of not only being fired but also an enormous lawsuit? Some people are incomprehensibly gullible.

It's not just MUFC. Everyone on reddit think they're ITK with regards to everything.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

So there's supposedly a high ranking MUFC management guy who runs straight to Reddit to post every detail from a confidential meeting, ignoring the risk of not only being fired but also an enormous lawsuit? Some people are incomprehensibly gullible.

He's not a club employee.

 

[Makaveli1]

Can someone tell me why they brief the press? to give fans excitement? If so that's nice but I wouldn't think you'd want your rivals and parties your doing deals with to know your plans...and the fans will be excited once players are being negotiated with/signed anyway.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

To be honest, Bailly and Rojo is the best CB partnership in the post SAF, we looked more composed at back with them lending the line, many attacking players in the league is scared of Bailly and Rojo, they are the ultimate hunter and aggressive. After Bailly and Rojo's injury happened, we lost defence and allowed 40% shot on targets in 2017-18 than in 2016-17, Rojo and Bailly haven't gotten back to their pre-form after injury and is on low confidence.

Great post and so true. He was playing so well before that injury. I have no problem with keeping Rojo as a squad player vs many of the others.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

Ole absolutely loves Rojo, wants him to be a DM, yet has never played him there when his been fit.

Ole thinks he can turn Martial around, a day after the press reported he wants him gone, but Joel Glazer thinks he’s Pele.

We’re waiting to see if Madrid want to sell any of their midfielders?! Some transfer strategy that is. Why aren’t we waiting to see if City will sell any of theirs because they’d massively improve us. And we’re interested in a boy from Benfica, who if it’s the right Fernandes, has played 17 first team games.

AWB is keen on a move to United, a week after saying he wants to stay in London and at Palace.

PSG have massively blown the Rabiot thing out of proportion, but we’ve seen countless interviews with him and his mum, which suggests PSG haven’t blown it out of proportion and Rabiot does indeed have a poor attitude/mentality, as seen from his early Man City academy days right up to the French National team.

I don't disagree it's false, but please don't use the press as a reason why. They are pretty much the same. We all have learned that.

 

[SWE-Chucky]

................... .......... DDG
Wan Bissaka Lindelöf Koulibaly Shaw
................ Neves Rice Fernandes
................ Dybala Icardi Martial

Lukaku swap deal with Icardi
Dybala 70m
Fernandes 50m
Rice 40m
Neves 50m
Koulibaly 80m
Wan Bissaka 35m
= 325m

Pogba 140m
Herrera FREE
Mata FREE
Rojo 5m
Matic 5m
Darmien 10m
Jones 10m
= 170m

Total= 155m

 

[nainaisson]

In order of appearance
James boom
Meunier booom
Koulibaly boooom
Rice booooom
Maddison boooooom
Bale booooooom

Why are they all exploding?

 

[minh_loc_xoay]

So there's supposedly a high ranking MUFC management guy who runs straight to Reddit to post every detail from a confidential meeting, ignoring the risk of not only being fired but also an enormous lawsuit? Some people are incomprehensibly gullible.

Yes, that confuses me also. As a top executive in Manchester United, why would he purposely leak out our battle plan in summer to public, and have the enemies prevent our transfer plan easily?
Or may be all the talk before about there is supposedly a "mole" in our ranks was true after all.

 

[Champagne Football]

Cillessen
Wan-Bissaka Maguire Lindelof Shaw
Garner Gueye
James Bruno Zaha
Rashford​

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

................... .......... DDG
Wan Bissaka Lindelöf Koulibaly Shaw
................ Neves Rice Fernandes
................ Dybala Icardi Martial

Lukaku swap deal with Icardi
Dybala 70m
Fernandes 50m
Rice 40m
Neves 50m
Koulibaly 80m
Wan Bissaka 35m
= 325m

Pogba 140m
Herrera FREE
Mata FREE
Rojo 5m
Matic 5m
Darmien 10m
Jones 10m
= 170m

Total= 155m

Dybala is not a winger.

 

[The Nani]

Cillessen
Wan-Bissaka Maguire Lindelof Shaw
Garner Gueye
James Bruno Zaha
Rashford​

I would cry.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I'd be happy if we only got Sancho, De Ligt, Wan Bissaka, and Saul (and picked up Alderweireld for free) and called it a day.

We could offload Sanchez, Rojo, Darmian, one of Bailey/Jones and push Young to the bench and that would be quite a good window.

So we get two of the most talented young players on the planet and you sound like you'd be settling

 

[Cliche Guevara]

Cillessen
Wan-Bissaka Maguire Lindelof Shaw
Garner Gueye
James Bruno Zaha
Rashford​

That’s not even Prosecco football.

 

[SER19]

We have to sign one of Koulibaly, maguire or even Alderweireld.

...................... De Gea.............

Meunier... Lindelof.. Koulibaly.. Shaw

.......Mctominay... Rabiot....Pogba.......

...... Bale......... Martial..... Rashford......

Bale on loan with Dan James as his cover. Start to integrate Greenwood, gomes, garner. Improve Fred. Even keep lukaku as a plan b.

Meunier Koulibaly Rabiot Bale James. A non expensive improvement probably about 115m.

Trust ole to get 20 a season from martial and a degree of fluidity between the front 3.

 

[Freak]

Cillessen
Wan-Bissaka Maguire Lindelof Shaw
Garner Gueye
James Bruno Zaha
Rashford​

No.

 

[redtony]

We have to sign one of Koulibaly, maguire or even Alderweireld.

...................... De Gea.............

Meunier... Lindelof.. Koulibaly.. Shaw

.......Mctominay... Rabiot....Pogba.......

...... Bale......... Martial..... Rashford......

Bale on loan with Dan James as his cover. Start to integrate Greenwood, gomes, garner. Improve Fred. Even keep lukaku as a plan b.

Meunier Koulibaly Rabiot Bale James. A non expensive improvement probably about 115m.

Trust ole to get 20 a season from martial and a degree of fluidity between the front 3.

I know McTominay improved, but its so strange to see fans with such revisionism
Most fans were calling for him to be loaned out or binned, and now that he improved they see him as a United quality starter?

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Interesting reddit post from a verified ITK:

Gonna be a long one today...

So my guy has come back, and is now happy that what he was told was a one persons list of suggestions, which was eventually presented at yesterdays meeting (which he has confirmed happened as part of a multi-site conference call - the Head Scouts of each region were present, as was Fletcher in a "Guest" role, seemingly as a way to get a feel for the rooms reaction to him in a psuedo-"final-interview").

He says that based on what came out of that meeting, he is told that 5 signings are hoped for, with 3 being the "minimum acceptable number". Their are "top targets" for 4 positions (CB, CM, RW, RB) and that each of those has a backup that we've contacted as well to garner interest. The 5th possible signing would either be if a star goes, or in the case we sell a load of players Ole no longer wants (which is a lot) then we pick up a solid utility. How well we move on players will decide if we make the move for a 5th signing or not.

This genuinely sounds like they've actually got their shit together.

Warning; there's not much below that is new, and it parrots a lot what has already been said, but offers some additional logic to things.

"Top Targets" (and Backups) are:

• Sancho (RW/LW - Dortmund) - He's not sure who the backup for RW is. Knows that we're after the Swansea lad James, but he won't be seen as an out-the-gates starter for a while. He thinks that the talk of Sancho being wary is slightly over-blown, but he might give Dortmund one more season, mostly for his own benefit as he has enjoyed being out of the English media spotlight (can't say I blame him). His agent has already told everyone else he's not interested so it sounds like it is literally "Us or Dortmund" now.
  
  
• Koulibaly (CB - Napoli) - We've apparently given up on Alderweireld, as it seems he wants to get a silly final contract from PSG or Juve and we don't want to match those. The likely backups right now are likely someone older that we'd try to loan from a club that is trying to move someone on for a younger face.
  
  
• Wan-Bissaka (RB - Crystal Palace) - Meunier is the backup option - but apparently we have an agreement with PSG already done in case we want to make the moves, and the "agent shite" is now finished too. He knows he's second choice. Wan-Bissaka is keen, it's now seemingly a matter of just how much Palace will try to bend us over on price. This could easily shoot up to the £50m mark if they want it to (they are no longer strapped for cash thanks to staying up). One possible spanner in this is that Nicky Butt has said he thinks we have options in the academy that should be promoted (Laird) and that any deal here would likely see us lose him to another team.
  
  
• CM Targets depend on whether Pogba wants to go or not. We've apparently set a deadline to players like himself and De Gea to tell us what they want to do. One thing he has said is that he knows we have reached out to Rabiot, and are not worried about his history as the belief is that PSG have blown it massively out of proportion. The other potential targets are Fernandes at Benfica & we also are supposedly keeping tabs on Madrid to see if they plan to move any CM's on, as all of theirs would improve us.
  
  
• No interest in Declan Rice whatsoever.
  
  
• No attempts going to be made to bring back any former players like Memphis (who Woodward is apparently still angry at himself for letting go at Mourinho's behest) and Zaha (who apparently has told his agent to basically tell us to go feck ourselves.....which is fair really).
  
  
• Nicky Butt is going to be getting a massive youth academy budget over the next 3 years to start snapping up young talent from around the country. Brexit (or lack of knowing what Brexit will actually look like ) is causing him a bit of concern as the rules on young player transfers is a minefield already, but not being able to look into signing EU Youth Players can potentially be quite harmful to us. He is also going to sit on the Transfer Committee as a "we already have a guy ready to go" sort of seat, which is good to hear to be honest.
  
  
• No current contingencies for a GK if De Gea says he won't sign a new deal are known of. Oblak is considered too expensive this season when other problem need solving first. So this could wind up proper fecking us if not careful.
  
  
• No mention of any strikers coming.

Players Leaving

• Ole gave Woodward a list of names he wants gone during his final "interview" for the job when he was made permanent. The list was apparently massive and Woodward and he eventually agreed to narrow it down over the course of 2-3 years to avoid having too many in's and out's all this summer whilst they try to be a bit smarter about things. This would explain why Young, Smalling and Jones were given new deals, as they will simply be let go when their deals conclude (the feeling is they're not going to be worth much in a transfer fee, so replace them one-by-one every year in a more fluid and logical manner).
  
  
• Unless Pogba pushes for it (by handing in a formal transfer request and foregoing his signing on/loyalty bonuses), he isn't going anywhere for any price.
  
  
• Martial is going nowhere as Ole thinks he can turn him around and kick him on. He basically is on the "one more year" list, along with Lukaku and Lingard.
  
  
• De Gea contract situation causing a bit of a rift. Some people think we should just move on and try to get something for him, others are convinced we can get him to sign another deal if we push for it. Not known who is on what sides of that argument.
  
  
• Ole apparently fecking loves Marcos Rojo and see's him as a potential DM conversion...
  
  
• Those who are possibly on this years "list" are; Bailly, Mata (Free), Sanchez (looking to loan him off if no-one wants a permanent deal), Matic, Pereira (Free) and Darmian (free).

Youth Updates

• Butt was present for the meeting and presented a list of players he believes are ready to train and play Senior games. Nothing too shocking; Tuanzebe, Garner, Laird, Gomes and Chong. Says that if needed we could also call upon Ramzani in League Cup games if we needed to, and thinks that several defensive options also could be used in that scenario.
  
  
• Callum Gribbin is leaving.
  
  
• Wants Greenwood to stay around first-team but due to his age is fearful of us throwing him to the wolves to soon and says that he deserves the right to be integrated properly.
  
  
• Fosu-Mensah likely going back to Holland or possibly Germany on a permanent deal. Ole wants the chance to see him train, but offers are coming in for him already as people expect his time at United is done.
  
  
• James Wilson (remember him!) is being released. Butt apparently believes that this was a huge failure on their part and they should be "ashamed" at how they blew it with him and Januzaj (Butt is VERY vocal still about how LVG fecked Januzaj up).
  
  
• Butt is trying to push the idea that we have 3 potential "World Class Keepers in the making" in our academy - Henderson (who will return on loan at Sheffield United), Kovář & Alex Fojtíček. Wants to see all three be given loans/realistic chances at the first team within the next 3/4 years. Henderson sooner.

On loan? Am I misreading this? I wonder who’s the backup centre back?

Edit: Bonucci? David Luiz?

 

[Suv666]

Can people stop posting this ITK BS. He obviously a is WUM. Not a single new name, all the ones already being discussed by the media for the last 3 months. I could have easily come up with that ITK post

 

[Ventura]

He's not a club employee.

Doesn't matter because it just means a club employee must have given this guy a detailed report of the meeting. Who was it then? Ole? Ed? Maybe Carrick gave his friend a detailed report of this meeting, only for the friend to post it all on Reddit, which we know is a site full of BS. Very few people in that meeting, so s/he will easily be found and fired/sued for breaking the NDA if this is true, which it isn't. Don't believe everything you read on the internet, especially when there's a ton of red flags.

 

[nainaisson]

On loan? Am I misreading this? I wonder who’s the backup centre back?

We're planning to do the same thing we did last season, which failed miserably. If our first choice isn't available (in this case, Koulibaly), we'll attempt to convince a club to loan out one of their senior centre-backs. The problem is, clubs want to sell their old centre-backs, not loan them out.

 

[nainaisson]

We've apparently given up on Alderweireld, as it seems he wants to get a silly final contract from PSG or Juve and we don't want to match those.

We have the second largest wage bill on the planet, but we aren't willing to spend money on one of the best centre-backs in the league. We're paying exorbitant salaries to defenders who belong in the Championship, but giving Alderweireld an equally large salary is "silly". It makes my blood boil.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

We're planning to do the same thing we did last season, which failed miserably. If our first choice isn't available (in this case, Koulibaly), we'll attempt to convince a club to loan out one of their senior centre-backs. The problem is, clubs want to sell their old centre-backs, not loan them out.

Would you take Bonucci for one season on loan just to be Tuanzebe mentor? It possible to get him on loan as it happened before with AC Milan.

We have the second largest wage bill on the planet, but we aren't willing to spend money on one of the best centre-backs in the league. We're paying exorbitant salaries to defenders who belong in the Championship, but giving Alderweireld an equally large salary is "silly". It makes my blood boil.

I disagree. We don’t want to pull another Sanchez. It’s better we keep the structure stable and change what we have done wrong.

 

[AbusementPark]

why not just a lot more faith in the youth players we have already? Things couldnt get any worse than the way the season ended with players wandering around the pitch counting up each thousand rolling into their account regardless of the effort applied.

 

[Bowlcut11]

In order of appearance
James boom
Meunier booom
Koulibaly boooom
Rice booooom
Maddison boooooom
Bale booooooom

I'd imagine it's their explosive pace

 

[shamans]

why not just a lot more faith in the youth players we have already? Things couldnt get any worse than the way the season ended with players wandering around the pitch counting up each thousand rolling into their account regardless of the effort applied.

You cant rely on that. Let's not forget how pissed some people were when we signed rvp because hed stall wellbacks development

 

[devilish]

Id rather give romero a chance then waste 20m on cilessen

 

[jderbyshire]

In order of appearance
James boom
Meunier booom
Koulibaly boooom
Rice booooom
Maddison boooooom
Bale booooooom

Ah man, ruined it all right at the end.

 

[golden_blunder]

We have the second largest wage bill on the planet, but we aren't willing to spend money on one of the best centre-backs in the league. We're paying exorbitant salaries to defenders who belong in the Championship, but giving Alderweireld an equally large salary is "silly". It makes my blood boil.

He’s hinted that he wants to finish his career back at Ajax

 

[golden_blunder]

Why are they all exploding?

Sound of their hamstrings all exploding

 

[Robbie Boy]

I want to believe that ok if only for the line about no interest in Rice whatsoever

 

[AbusementPark]

You cant rely on that. Let's not forget how pissed some people were when we signed rvp because hed stall welbeck's development

We cant rely on the players we have bought either, we have spent vast sums and are no better for it. The whole United blueprint is built on youth team players and they should be afforded more game time even at the expense of Pogba who doesnt show enough commitment and consistency. No surprise our best game this season against PSG didnt feature him or many of the other over paid players we have brought in that have hinder the side more than helped.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I want to believe that ok if only for the line about no interest in Rice whatsoever

So you are ok with Rojo as our DM? You are drooling too much there with Rojo’s new role.

 

[Kaglish10]

Cillessen;
O'Connor - de Ligt (c) - Ferro - Shaw;
Van de Beek - Tonali - Ceballos;
Ounas - Felix - Martial.

subs: Lindelof, MCTominay, Fred, Dalot, Rashford, Greenwood, Romero.

Van de Beek - 30 mil
Felix - 70/80 mil.
Ferro - 30 mil.
de Ligt - 60/70 mil.
Tonali - 20 mil.
Cillessen - 20 mil.
Ceballos - Pogba + 140 mil.
Ounas - loan with an option to sign at 15/20 mil.

Total: 230 mil

Pogba : 140 mil + Ceballos.
Lukaku : 50 mil.
de gea : 30 mil.

total: 220 mil.

 

[jderbyshire]

Is this reddit ITK the same one as last week or a different one?

 

[RedorDead21]

4 would be just right for me. That's enough to bed in one summer.

A major coup would be great to get over the line first in. Help sell what we are doing here. Sancho, Havertz or De Ligt, Saul or another likely impossible target.

Follow that up with more of the same but the lesser lights in:

- Wan Bissaka
- Rice
- Maddison

If there was a chance of getting a 5th over the line I think I'd tempt Chelsea for Kante. Throw in Martial to solve (ha) their left options if Hazard leaves.

Rice as DM, Kante as the CM and Havertz as AM would have a great mix of talents. Sell Pogba to Real for top money once they are in place.