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Right, but individual players ups and downs are to be expected. The overall team performance has been improved though, which seems like a sign of progression. If he gets to invest in the team this summer and we stagnate, I'll be right there asking him to be sacked, I just think people put these ceilings on what he's achieved down to "patterns of play" and "coaching" when I struggle to believe that we should reasonably expect a whole lot more from what we have in the squad. If Pogba was healthy the whole season, I do think we'd be closer to City and putting in a "genuine" title challenge. That we take such a hit in creativity without Pogba says more about the squad options at his disposal (Fred, McT, Matic) than it does about him, although I know people disagree with that.

Nah, I know you were having a genuine conversation, we just disagree. Not a big deal.
I think you raise some good points! I suppose my only issue would be that Ole spent quite a bit of money during his tenure and Man United can hardly claim to be paupers - obviously the specifics weren't solely down to Ole but he did have input into the signings by all accounts. Would you be better off spending 80m on Maguire or spending 40m on Tarkowski and 40m on a right winger?

I guess fundamentally my position is that Ole isn't doing enough to put your players in positions to succeed. I know this is rich coming from a supporter of a club lower in the table, but I guess I just think that a lack of central midfield creativity (to go with your example) can be dealt with by adjusting tactics and getting more creative players on the wings, for example. Again, not to bring this back to Chelsea but Tuchel has succeeded with Kante / Kovacic pivots - not because they're ideally suited to work together or be great going forward, but because the team around them has been adjusted to compensate. For me at least, this in particular is where Ole comes up short.
 

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I certainly wouldn't presume to tell you how you should feel about your football club; just thought my perspective might be illuminating to some degree
Yeah. Brilliant. This site doesn't already have enough of our own fans hammering the manager. Why not have opposition ones jumping on the bandwagon too
 

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Won a cup?
That would have been nice, but it would hardly be the sole criteria in a reasonable board's appraisal of the manager. The reality is when the manager came into his position we were nothing more than among a hatful of other teams that are in contention for cup competitions. The odds weren't stacked in our favour as they were in the glory days due to quality of players.

Winning trophies is clearly a measure of success, and I think it will start to come into focus over the next season as the expectation is for progress, but the likelihood is that there were many other things the club were looking at in the first few years of the manager's tenure due to the position we were in at the start. We seemed to have a disunited squad, massively overpaid underperformers, poor recruitment and a manager content to go to war against the club more than our opponents. It wasn't a trivial turnaround by any means.
 

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I think you raise some good points! I suppose my only issue would be that Ole spent quite a bit of money during his tenure and Man United can hardly claim to be paupers - obviously the specifics weren't solely down to Ole but he did have input into the signings by all accounts. Would you be better off spending 80m on Maguire or spending 40m on Tarkowski and 40m on a right winger?

I guess fundamentally my position is that Ole isn't doing enough to put your players in positions to succeed. I know this is rich coming from a supporter of a club lower in the table, but I guess I just think that a lack of central midfield creativity (to go with your example) can be dealt with by adjusting tactics and getting more creative players on the wings, for example. Again, not to bring this back to Chelsea but Tuchel has succeeded with Kante / Kovacic pivots - not because they're ideally suited to work together or be great going forward, but because the team around them has been adjusted to compensate. For me at least, this in particular is where Ole comes up short.
Goal-a-game Tuchel would get just as much criticism as Ole does if he was putting up those numbers in this job.
 

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Yeah. Brilliant. This site doesn't already have enough of our own fans hammering the manager. Why not have opposition ones jumping on the bandwagon too
What are you on about? His assessment was more than fair and very respectfully communicated, quite a reach to even describe it as "hammering" in all honesty...
 

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I think you raise some good points! I suppose my only issue would be that Ole spent quite a bit of money during his tenure and Man United can hardly claim to be paupers - obviously the specifics weren't solely down to Ole but he did have input into the signings by all accounts. Would you be better off spending 80m on Maguire or spending 40m on Tarkowski and 40m on a right winger?

I guess fundamentally my position is that Ole isn't doing enough to put your players in positions to succeed. I know this is rich coming from a supporter of a club lower in the table, but I guess I just think that a lack of central midfield creativity (to go with your example) can be dealt with by adjusting tactics and getting more creative players on the wings, for example. Again, not to bring this back to Chelsea but Tuchel has succeeded with Kante / Kovacic pivots - not because they're ideally suited to work together or be great going forward, but because the team around them has been adjusted to compensate. For me at least, this in particular is where Ole comes up short.
The difference is Tarkowski is at Burnley FC, nobody is particularly worried about the quality of his performances every week in a fairly basic side. If Burnley keep a clean sheet it is assumed he has done fantastically as who cares to actually watch them regularly? If he was at Manchester United where he is scrutinised and expected to play in a progressive side it's completely different. This can even be seen with Maguire himself, at Leicester he was not subject to the kind of criticism he is now and they were a far more relevant team than Burnley.

It's rather unfair to pluck out a player like this that was hypothetically available, make some kind of extrapolation that he would be as good as Maguire at United which is totally unreliable and throw in an as yet unnamed right winger. However, if there are fantastic RWs available for 40 million we would certainly like to know about them ahead of this summer!

Also, we do not have creative wide players. We have what we have which is mostly pacey forwards that can be inconsistent in performance and technical quality but they also happen to be some of our better (Rashford) or more promising (Greenwood) players. There isn't any way that is obvious to me that would cover for our limited central midfielders within the current squad. We are not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater, we will need to find a way to work with the above players and no doubt recruitment should coalesce with those players.
 

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Yeah. Brilliant. This site doesn't already have enough of our own fans hammering the manager. Why not have opposition ones jumping on the bandwagon too
Sorry? Not sure why you're being so hostile. I've just been trying to have respectful conversations; I'd push back that what I'm saying can be labeled in good faith as "hammering".
 

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That would have been nice, but it would hardly be the sole criteria in a reasonable board's appraisal of the manager. The reality is when the manager came into his position we were nothing more than among a hatful of other teams that are in contention for cup competitions. The odds weren't stacked in our favour as they were in the glory days due to quality of players.

Winning trophies is clearly a measure of success, and I think it will start to come into focus over the next season as the expectation is for progress, but the likelihood is that there were many other things the club were looking at in the first few years of the manager's tenure due to the position we were in at the start. We seemed to have a disunited squad, massively overpaid underperformers, poor recruitment and a manager content to go to war against the club more than our opponents. It wasn't a trivial turnaround by any means.
The managers who are in the salary range he will be in have all won them and that's why they get paid that kind of money. But like you said cups might not be the only thing Ole is being measured by but at a club like Utd it sure as hell should be required in the job description.

There isn't any reason to give him a raise other than too make it look like he has done a massive job and deserves a great pay hike because he has turned this ship around but the fact is he has done little to warrant that new pay check.
 

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The difference is Tarkowski is at Burnley FC, nobody is particularly worried about the quality of his performances every week in a fairly basic side. If Burnley keep a clean sheet it is assumed he has done fantastically as who cares to actually watch them regularly? If he was at Manchester United where he is scrutinised and expected to play in a progressive side it's completely different. This can even be seen with Maguire himself, at Leicester he was not subject to the kind of criticism he is now and they were a far more relevant team than Burnley.

It's rather unfair to pluck out a player like this that was hypothetically available, make some kind of extrapolation that he would be as good as Maguire at United which is totally unreliable and throw in an as yet unnamed right winger. However, if there are fantastic RWs available for 40 million we would certainly like to know about them ahead of this summer!

Also, we do not have creative wide players. We have what we have which is mostly pacey forwards that can be inconsistent in performance and technical quality but they also happen to be some of our better (Rashford) or more promising (Greenwood) players. There isn't any way that is obvious to me that would cover for our limited central midfielders within the current squad. We are not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater, we will need to find a way to work with the above players and no doubt recruitment should coalesce with those players.
I think these are great points and I agree to some extent, particularly about different standards for different calibre of clubs. Certainly I think it'd be a fool's errand to say "oh Man United should have bought players x, y and z and they'd be much better off" - certainly that wasn't my intent if I was coming across as being definitive.

I agree that you don't necessarily have the most balanced side in terms of squad composition, but then surely some of the onus has to be on Ole to sort it out? Apologies if this comes across as harsh but his selections always strike me as being pretty starkly unimaginative.
 
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Goal-a-game Tuchel would get just as much criticism as Ole does if he was putting up those numbers in this job.
Chelsea when Tuchel took over:
9th place, 29 points

Chelsea now:
4th place, 51 points

Only City have gained more points than Chelsea since Tuchel’s appointment. He’s also got them to the Champions League quarter-final and FA Cup semi-final with relative ease. And to top it off they’ve only conceded 2 goals along the way. In 14 games.

Yeah it’s definitely been defensive football to achieve those results but it’s clearly a deliberate tactic to adopt that type of pragmatic approach. He’s only been in the job two months and it’s much easier to impose a defensive game plan than an offensive one. It’s obviously annoyingly paying off so far as well.
 
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I think you raise some good points! I suppose my only issue would be that Ole spent quite a bit of money during his tenure and Man United can hardly claim to be paupers - obviously the specifics weren't solely down to Ole but he did have input into the signings by all accounts. Would you be better off spending 80m on Maguire or spending 40m on Tarkowski and 40m on a right winger?

I guess fundamentally my position is that Ole isn't doing enough to put your players in positions to succeed. I know this is rich coming from a supporter of a club lower in the table, but I guess I just think that a lack of central midfield creativity (to go with your example) can be dealt with by adjusting tactics and getting more creative players on the wings, for example. Again, not to bring this back to Chelsea but Tuchel has succeeded with Kante / Kovacic pivots - not because they're ideally suited to work together or be great going forward, but because the team around them has been adjusted to compensate. For me at least, this in particular is where Ole comes up short.
I'm happy we got Maguire. He's been very good for us, and with the proper CB partner and/or holding mid it'd be clear. At a certain point not getting in an RW says more about the recruitment and board than it does about Ole, as this was a longstanding issue under both LvG and Jose.

Ole delivered on his targets and asked for Sancho. The board dithered on that through the entire window until the pulled the plug and then brought in Diallo and Pellistri. Two prospects. Promising, but certainly not ready to provide the first team a genuine boost, especially with Amad not even arriving until January. He didn't exactly break the bank last summer either and of his major expenditures (Maguire, AWB, Bruno, VdB) only one has failed to improve our team and solidify that position in the squad.

Let's see what they do this offseason. The solution for an RW shouldn't be Sancho or nothing but it sure seems that until he moves from Dortmund he will be their focus. If they can deliver Sancho the expectations for me will go up a lot, even without additions elsewhere.

I don't want to get too much into Chelsea or Tuchel, but Ole has done well against him in 5 total matches. 2 wins, 2 losses, and a draw. I don't think Ole's tactically inept or that we lack a coherent plan in attack or defense. I do think there's elements of both that definitely need to improve, an example being set piece defending which is surely a managerial/coaching issue to a large extent. I also think he's earned the chance to see if he can progress the team further next season.

If he can't, ok, he should be sacked, maybe even midseason, much like Lampard this year. I'm not concerned about who we can get to come in as a manager in that event. We are Manchester United and top caliber managers will always be attracted to the job and available if you care to look.

I just don't think it is right to move on from him when he's dealt with a difficult situation at a period where the club has been in major flux, and at the very least has it on track to achieve the primary goals he was handed in his first 2 seasons with genuine improvement in performance, at least in my estimation.

The next step is the hardest for any team. Can he make it? I don't know, I just think he deserves the chance to prove it.
 

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I think you raise some good points! I suppose my only issue would be that Ole spent quite a bit of money during his tenure and Man United can hardly claim to be paupers - obviously the specifics weren't solely down to Ole but he did have input into the signings by all accounts. Would you be better off spending 80m on Maguire or spending 40m on Tarkowski and 40m on a right winger?

I guess fundamentally my position is that Ole isn't doing enough to put your players in positions to succeed. I know this is rich coming from a supporter of a club lower in the table, but I guess I just think that a lack of central midfield creativity (to go with your example) can be dealt with by adjusting tactics and getting more creative players on the wings, for example. Again, not to bring this back to Chelsea but Tuchel has succeeded with Kante / Kovacic pivots - not because they're ideally suited to work together or be great going forward, but because the team around them has been adjusted to compensate. For me at least, this in particular is where Ole comes up short.
You're right. He's done pretty well for a manager of his abilities to achieve the minimum objectives (top 4 both years most likely) and in being a calming influence that negated the bitterness at the end of Mourinho's time. But I don't think he looks capable of taking us where we want to go. In a sense, he's fulfilled his duties as a caretaker manager (like Lampard did last season but couldn't this year), and to reach genuinely great heights we'll need someone much better.

I don't have an issue with those who rate him as a top class manager although I completely disagree with them. However, the line of argument I've read of late and find rather bizarre, is that it's all about the players. Give Ole VVD, Allison, Fabinho and he'll win the title. I mean, if you can't see the quality of coaching Klopp has brought to Livepool you need to get your eyes checked. If those work, then the brain needs checking too. By that logic we just keep Ole until we have a team as good as 2008 because he's obviously not accountable for anything.
 
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You're right. He's done pretty well for a manager of his abilities to achieve the minimum objectives (top 4 both years most likely) and in being a calming influence that negated the bitterness at the end of Mourinho's time. But I don't think he looks capable of taking us where we want to go. In a sense, he's fulfilled his duties as a caretaker manager (like Lampard did last season but couldn't this year), and to reach genuinely great heights we'll need someone much better.

I don't have an issue with those who rate him as a top class manager although I completely disagree with them. However, the line of argument I've read of late and find rather bizarre, is that it's all about the players. Give Ole VVD, Allison, Fabinho and he'll win the title. I mean, if you can't see the quality of coaching Klopp has brought to Livepool you need to get your eyes checked. If those work, then the brain needs checking too. By that logic we just keep Ole until we have a team as good as 2008 because he's obviously not accountable for anything.
What's your reasoning for Liverpool's drop in performance this season out of interest?
 

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The next step is the hardest for any team. Can he make it? I don't know, I just think he deserves the chance to prove it.
I think that's more than fair. I suppose it's a question of where you draw that line - how many seasons should he get until it's considered proven he doesn't have it? Curious as to your perspective - and whether you think that lines up with the hierarchy's thinking!

You're right. He's done pretty well for a manager of his abilities to achieve the minimum objectives (top 4 both years most likely) and in being a calming influence that negated the bitterness at the end of Mourinho's time. But I don't think he looks capable of taking us where we want to go. In a sense, he's fulfilled his duties as a caretaker manager (like Lampard did last season but couldn't this year), and to reach genuinely great heights we'll need someone much better.

I don't have an issue with those who rate him as a top class manager although I completely disagree with them. However, the line of argument I've read of late and find rather bizarre, is that it's all about the players. Give Ole VVD, Allison, Fabinho and he'll win the title. I mean, if you can't see the quality of coaching Klopp has brought to Livepool you need to get your eyes checked. If those work, then the brain needs checking too. By that logic we just keep Ole until we have a team as good as 2008 because he's obviously not accountable for anything.
Well stated. As you say, it's very silly to blame solely Ole or the players - the performances don't exist in a vacuum from each other. There certainly was quite a bit of excuse-making for Lampard (and I was personally guilty of this at times) - think that comes with the territory of having a club icon as manager.

What's your reasoning for Liverpool's drop in performance this season out of interest?
They've had absolutely brutal injuries concentrated in particular on one position group that's had ramifications through the team (e.g. Fabinho mostly playing as a CB this season and not in midfield). This has been exacerbated by a lack of training time for the replacements, who would have been the key beneficiaries from training in the first place.
 

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What's your reasoning for Liverpool's drop in performance this season out of interest?
Culmination of form, injuries, fatigue, Klopp's heavy reliance on the first 11 and intense pressing (at least till 18/19). Are you implying that Klopp's abilities as a manager were not a factor in their CL and PL success?
 

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Culmination of form, injuries, fatigue, Klopp's heavy reliance on the first 11 and intense pressing (at least till 18/19). Are you implying that Klopp's abilities as a manager were not a factor in their CL and PL success?
Nope I'm saying without his top players he wouldn't have won either. You've made every other excuse there but admit it.

When they played us in the league with Henderson and Fabinho at CB they had 2 actual CBs on the bench.
 

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Nope I'm saying without his top players he wouldn't have won either. You've made every other excuse there but admit it.
Without Rooney, Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs and Vidic, SAF wouldn't have won the league. Hence SAF = Ole, hence give Ole players that good and he'll replicate the success. Managers don't matter. Peak logic right here.
 

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Without Rooney, Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs and Vidic, SAF wouldn't have won the league. Hence SAF = Ole, hence give Ole players that good and he'll replicate the success. Managers don't matter. Peak logic right here.
Yes that's exactly what I said.

SAF didn't win the league when he had weaker squads though you are correct.
 

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Yes that's exactly what I said.

SAF didn't win the league when he had weaker squads though you are correct.
Absolutely. You need a top team to win the league. But you also need a top manager. Where you think Ole is one many other don't. As simple as that. No amount of downplaying Klopp's abilities will change that main point of disagreement between the two sides.
 

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Absolutely. You need a top team to win the league. But you also need a top manager. Where you think Ole is one many other don't. As simple as that. No amount of downplaying Klopp's abilities will change that main point of disagreement between the two sides.
Where have I said I think Ole is a 'top manager'?
 

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I think that's more than fair. I suppose it's a question of where you draw that line - how many seasons should he get until it's considered proven he doesn't have it? Curious as to your perspective - and whether you think that lines up with the hierarchy's thinking!
My target for him this year was around 80 points in the league and CL qualification that wasn't a heroic last stretch of the season salvage job. He's on pace to achieve that right now, and maybe he'll get some silverware too in Europa.

If he is properly backed to at least get a starting XI quality RW, and CDM or CB, I'd expect him to have us as a genuine title contender and at minimum quarters of the CL.

As far as the hierarchy I'm not sure. I actually do believe they've been serious about getting their spending and wage bill more under control since the Alexis signing. I also believe they have a better approach in the market even if it's still not the most time effective or without it's share of misses in terms of quality.

They're definitely feeling the pinch of covid on top of that since the Glazers won't inject their own capital into the club, so I think they'd give Ole a bit longer than I would. Maybe another full season even if he's backed to the degree I stated without hitting those targets but still comfortably delivers CL.
 

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What are you on about? His assessment was more than fair and very respectfully communicated, quite a reach to even describe it as "hammering" in all honesty...
Sorry? Not sure why you're being so hostile. I've just been trying to have respectful conversations; I'd push back that what I'm saying can be labeled in good faith as "hammering".
Bit harsh of me. Apologies
 

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I just have a hard time accepting this "we are where we are because the others have imploded". First of all - we are where we are because we have picked up roughly 2 points pr match - and with the exception of 1 season (I think) - close to 2 points pr game has with the exception of 1 season (I think) always been good enough for top-4

And the fact is - we have had our share of problems this season. Pogba has missed a lot of games, we had the shortest pre-season of all teams, Greenwood, Maguire and AWBs problems during the summer, the worst possible start to the season, and our strikers misfiring all season. There was more than enough potential for us imploding this season - but unlike Lampard, Arteta, Mourinho and Klopp - Solskjaer actually find a way to take us to where we are today. With a win tomorrow, we are almost guaranteed top-4 with 8 matches to go.
 

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Hopefully, after the win against Brighton, there will be an announcement regarding the extension.
 

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Criticism? Is that what you call criticism? Maybe you should read your post again, you're full of irony.. And it seems like you're the one spouting shit (again), when did I claim the critic knows nothing? I said you are lying about me claiming things I've never said.

It's not for me to come up with detailed plans for the owners someone else gets paid millions to do that, so it doesn't have to be anything more than lets try and hire a better manager from me. And what makes you the football expert anyway.
No, but all you have offered is " the manager Is shit" 300 times.
Along with your little gang of bed wetters spamming threads with negative bullshit.

I'm not the one claiming to be an expert, I'm asking for a suggestion other than "the manager is shit" it's not difficult.

Like I say, it's boring.
 

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No, but all you have offered is " the manager Is shit" 300 times.
Along with your little gang of bed wetters spamming threads with negative bullshit.

I'm not the one claiming to be an expert, I'm asking for a suggestion other than "the manager is shit" it's not difficult.

Like I say, it's boring.
You really need to learn some manners. All of your posts contain an insult one way or another. I have answered your question. After watching and supporting United as an adult for more than 30 years my opinion is that the current manager is not good enough to take us back to the top of world football, also the style of football we play under him is not the way United should be playing. So who ever’s job it is at United should look for a better manager that has a recent history of playing attacking football in combinaiton with good results in one of the top 5 leagues of Europe. I don’t know who that is because I only watch us play and don’t follow or watch matches form other leagues.
 

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Thanks to Ole for churning out the deadwood, adding some sort of culture and competition back into the squad and potentially landing a champions league spot 2 years in a row.

However, I don't believe he is the manager to take us to the next level. Every club needs a fixer and Ole did this as Lampard did this at Chelsea. I cannot help but think what this team could achieve with proper coaches and a manager who knows how to change up a game when we are average. I feel Ole has no plan B, he hopes for a change in luck. Its worked this season but many others have faltered.
 

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If he wins the Europea it will be renewed straight away, 2nd place might might do it too.

If not, it might be extended for a year anyway
 

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You really need to learn some manners. All of your posts contain an insult one way or another. I have answered your question. After watching and supporting United as an adult for more than 30 years my opinion is that the current manager is not good enough to take us back to the top of world football, also the style of football we play under him is not the way United should be playing. So who ever’s job it is at United should look for a better manager that has a recent history of playing attacking football in combinaiton with good results in one of the top 5 leagues of Europe. I don’t know who that is because I only watch us play and don’t follow or watch matches form other leagues.
Where's the insult fella?
It seems your go-to in every reply is to throw an accusation followed by a snooty comment then one of self importance.
Whilst still avoiding the initial question.

You do realise that in your 30 years of watching United there's only been one successful manager, and that you're basing your entire argument upon that?
Yet the current manager who is actually starting to change things for the better is deemed not good enough.

"4 years without a trophy"

How long did fergie go without one when he started? I'm not trying to compare ole with fergie but the fact remains that for the first 3½ to 4 years under fergie, we were utter dogshit a lot of the time, and had some shocking league finishes whilst eventually scraping past palace in the FA cup. 4 years. Oles been in the job just over 2.

So let's say, that by 88/89 almost 4 years without a trophy, pretty dire football, a team in transition and no league titles for 20+ years, the manager is considered 'not good enough to get us back to the top of world football' by a section of fans and is sacked, then what?

I'm not saying Ole is the Messiah, or comparable to fergie, but he's doing a better job than the last 3 mugs whilst fixing the absolute shitshow that the sulky one left behind.

I believe he's earned an extended contract and the right to finish what he's started. If anything his job is even harder due to the competitiveness in the league (aside from the oil whores) and the total clownshow upstairs.

Now, if you don't have any answers as to what should be done to solve the issues at United, in what way are you qualified to decide whether the manager is good enough or not?

You could at least offer a better argument than "he's not good enough" or that you've been watching United for 30 years.
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Please just extend for a year. He has done a good job and deserves it but we give out some awful contracts over the last few years. A year on top of next year be smart as Ole will obviously accept and we don’t have a manger on 6 years which be expensive to get rid of
 

UnofficialDevil

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I'm not anti Scottish, I just wanted Moyes out.
Where's the insult fella?
It seems your go-to in every reply is to throw an accusation followed by a snooty comment then one of self importance.
Whilst still avoiding the initial question.

You do realise that in your 30 years of watching United there's only been one successful manager, and that you're basing your entire argument upon that?
Yet the current manager who is actually starting to change things for the better is deemed not good enough.

"4 years without a trophy"

How long did fergie go without one when he started? I'm not trying to compare ole with fergie but the fact remains that for the first 3½ to 4 years under fergie, we were utter dogshit a lot of the time, and had some shocking league finishes whilst eventually scraping past palace in the FA cup. 4 years. Oles been in the job just over 2.

So let's say, that by 88/89 almost 4 years without a trophy, pretty dire football, a team in transition and no league titles for 20+ years, the manager is considered 'not good enough to get us back to the top of world football' by a section of fans and is sacked, then what?

I'm not saying Ole is the Messiah, or comparable to fergie, but he's doing a better job than the last 3 mugs whilst fixing the absolute shitshow that the sulky one left behind.

I believe he's earned an extended contract and the right to finish what he's started. If anything his job is even harder due to the competitiveness in the league (aside from the oil whores) and the total clownshow upstairs.

Now, if you don't have any answers as to what should be done to solve the issues at United, in what way are you qualified to decide whether the manager is good enough or not?

You could at least offer a better argument than "he's not good enough" or that you've been watching United for 30 years.
I've been watching Sesame Street since I was a child, it doesn't make me Jim Henson.
Your insults were

"spouting the same shit."

"I know who you are, you're the guy that pisses everybody off around him at matches with the constant moaning and whingeing"

"Along with your little gang of bed wetters spamming"

And again ending your current post with irony with your sesame Street joke. You don't seem capable of posting without making some kind of personal remark.

If your not comparing SAF to Ole then why bring him up? To answer your question its not the same situation therefore not comparable. Sir Alex had a huge reputation as a manager before joining us, Aberdeen experienced its greatest period of success in its history with Ferguson winning three Premier titles, four cups, and a European Cup Winners’ cup. And the Scottish league was not what it is now.
Those achievements at Aberdeen led to offers from some of the top clubs in Europe before he signed for us which is why he would be given more time and patience, because of his history as manager prior to joining us.

And for the last time, I don't have to be qualified to have an opinion on whether I think the manager is good enough or not. It's an opinion based on the way we play football. I could ask you the same question in what way are you qualified to say he is good enough.

And yes 4 years without any kind of trophy should not be acceptable.

He probably has earned the right for an extended contract based on our league position yes, but I still don't think he is a good enough manager for the long run.
 
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Completely agree @UnofficialDevil. I realise some posters do go over the top when talking about Ole (I personally think it's out of order when he gets accused of being a coward, for example) but posts like yours and others who make fair comment about Ole don't deserve the vitriol that often comes their way in return.
 

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Your insults were

"spouting the same shit."

"I know who you are, you're the guy that pisses everybody off around him at matches with the constant moaning and whingeing"

"Along with your little gang of bed wetters spamming"

And again ending your current post with irony with your sesame Street joke. You don't seem capable of posting without making some kind of personal remark.

If your not comparing SAF to Ole then why bring him up? To answer your question its not the same situation therefore not comparable. Sir Alex had a huge reputation as a manager before joining us, Aberdeen experienced its greatest period of success in its history with Ferguson winning three Premier titles, four cups, and a European Cup Winners’ cup. And the Scottish league was not what it is now.
Those achievements at Aberdeen led to offers from some of the top clubs in Europe before he signed for us which is why he would be given more time and patience, because of his history as manager prior to joining us.

And for the last time, I don't have to be qualified to have an opinion on whether I think the manager is good enough or not. It's an opinion based on the way we play football. I could ask you the same question in what way are you qualified to say he is good enough.

And yes 4 years without any kind of trophy should not be acceptable.

He probably has earned the right for an extended contract based on our league position yes, but I still don't think he is a good enough manager for the long run.
Completely agree @UnofficialDevil. I realise some posters do go over the top when talking about Ole (I personally think it's out of order when he gets accused of being a coward, for example) but posts like yours and others who make fair comment about Ole don't deserve the vitriol that often comes their way in return.
Seconded. This is the reason why there is the ignore option. It is a blessing at times.
 

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Your insults were

"spouting the same shit."

"I know who you are, you're the guy that pisses everybody off around him at matches with the constant moaning and whingeing"

"Along with your little gang of bed wetters spamming"

And again ending your current post with irony with your sesame Street joke. You don't seem capable of posting without making some kind of personal remark.

If your not comparing SAF to Ole then why bring him up? To answer your question its not the same situation therefore not comparable. Sir Alex had a huge reputation as a manager before joining us, Aberdeen experienced its greatest period of success in its history with Ferguson winning three Premier titles, four cups, and a European Cup Winners’ cup. And the Scottish league was not what it is now.
Those achievements at Aberdeen led to offers from some of the top clubs in Europe before he signed for us which is why he would be given more time and patience, because of his history as manager prior to joining us.

And for the last time, I don't have to be qualified to have an opinion on whether I think the manager is good enough or not. It's an opinion based on the way we play football. I could ask you the same question in what way are you qualified to say he is good enough.

And yes 4 years without any kind of trophy should not be acceptable.

He probably has earned the right for an extended contract based on our league position yes, but I still don't think he is a good enough manager for the long run.
I did have a response.
But I can't be arsed now so just make something up to be offended about.
 
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big rons sovereign

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Completely agree @UnofficialDevil. I realise some posters do go over the top when talking about Ole (I personally think it's out of order when he gets accused of being a coward, for example) but posts like yours and others who make fair comment about Ole don't deserve the vitriol that often comes their way in return.
The man dishes out plenty but whines when he gets it back.
 
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UnofficialDevil

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Completely agree @UnofficialDevil. I realise some posters do go over the top when talking about Ole (I personally think it's out of order when he gets accused of being a coward, for example) but posts like yours and others who make fair comment about Ole don't deserve the vitriol that often comes their way in return.
Seconded. This is the reason why there is the ignore option. It is a blessing at times.
Thank you for saying that.