No, not at all. There are far bigger problems at play, but he wasn’t a victim. He was actively contributing to what we see now. It was a negligent appointment.
All your criticisms since then are absolutely valid.
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All your criticisms since then are absolutely valid.
Spot on.
OLE if only you'd brought in a Tough Brilliant Tactician and a Superb Tough Defensive Coach and a Pass Master :
three separate Specialist Coaches.
As well as a Motivational specialist, a Recruitment specialist.
Then you could have concentrated on your skills as Goal scorer coach,
done a better job as overall Manager.
three separate Specialist Coaches.
As well as a Motivational specialist, a Recruitment specialist.
Then you could have concentrated on your skills as Goal scorer coach,
done a better job as overall Manager.
Some people are just obsessed with this guy. Just let it go.
United's problems go way beyond Ole and are rooted 10 years ago.
United's problems go way beyond Ole and are rooted 10 years ago.
If you call us Ole inner, who base our opinion on facts rather then feelings, then you should call yourself Ole haters.
We came second because we were better then Liverpool last year in Premier League. Not hard to understand.
Agreed. It’s the lack of continuity and any semblance of a strategic plan which has been the cause of all this, and that lands squarely on the board. I don’t really blame Rangnick, I actually feel sorry for him. He was a square peg for a round hole, completely unsuitable to take on this squad with the position we were in. And that’s the kind of decision making that’s put us where we are today. Fergie to Moyes, Moyes to LVG, LVG to Mourinho, Mourinho to Ole, now Ole to Rangnick. It’s a complete and utter mess, like they were picking managers out of a hat.
Hopefully ETH will signal a change of fortunes, but we’re still going to have a squad and manager who are at odds with each other unless we ship out half the team.
Not hard to understand how Ole’s approach has led to a lazy, entitled dressing room over 3 years, and how his horrendous defensive signings have wasted resources and left us in a worse position than we were when he started either.
Not hard to understand at all, especially when the proof is right in front of us, and has been for months before he eventually left.
It’s only football. I don’t hate him at all. He just wasn’t a good manager and there was never any proof that he could be. It was another costly mistake by a group of people who don’t know what they are doing. A group that are motivated by all the wrong things.
Ole was shite; he also should never have been hired as permanent manager. Our club has been an absolute joke since Fergie retired and we have consistently appointed the wrong managers, and lacked any direction whatsoever. There are other factors at play, but each and every post-Fergie appointment deserves scrutiny and criticism.
No matter what RR does or not, Ole was highly incompetent, a disaster manager. He should have been fired so much earlier amd he is partly responsible for our huge mess.
Ole’s reign has been by far the most damaging alongside Jose.
Who do you think should have been hired instead?
It was lazy before Solskjaer came. He did make them play better for 2 years before they went back to how they were before him. Why do you think players stopped playing for Mourinho? Because he started to call them out. It is on players. Not managers.
Agreed. Our managers need to be held accountable at the end of the day, and ultimately they have been considering they’ve all had the boot (even if it came later than it should have). And yet these threads keep getting bumped every match, 6 months or whatever after Ole’s gone, basically laying every defeat at his door because Ralf can do no wrong. If you want an example of obsessive behaviour, look no further.
Agree in the end it turned into shite, but of all the managers we've had he's the only one that brought some sort of hope and some sutainaed moments of joy watching the team over the last 10 years. And I say this as someone who was against making him permanent manager at the time. In my view its the Glazers and Woodward that have done the most damage to the football club, the managers are being used as scapegoats, but guess who hired them in the first place?
You think I can remember who was available 3 years ago? The club should have been sounding out an appointment while Ole was interim. Are you seriously trying to tell me that there were no better options available than the ex Cardiff and Molde manager? Get to feck
Same shit happened after Jose left too. I think as a fanbase we get way too obsessed with managers.
I do agree that the players are worse than we thought, and their attitude has been really disappointing.
But what they needed was a coach, and we gave them an upbeat ex-player. It was never going to be good for their long term development or for their ego.
Ole was a mistake.
I never wanted him appointed on a permanent basis, and his early reign was absolutely horrible. It wasn't until Bruno came along and saved him, that we started to look remotely competent. In saying that, the performances were still very shaky and we lucked to quite a few of those wins. Last season was ok in some regards, but it was still clear he lacked a clear plan.
I admit I got understandably giddy after hammering Leeds at the start of the season and signing Ronaldo; Varane and Sancho. I expected us to do some good things this season, but that was more based on our signings rather than Ole's ability. We had some decent wins under him, but it never really felt like we were going anywhere. That famed second place finish also felt rather false, just like it did with Jose. Now that the dust has settled, I think it's fair to say he massively failed at the weird metrics he was judged on, such as squad building and cultural reset. Given he had no on-field success of note; it's fair to say he was a massive failure, just like the rest.
I don't think you would find many people who would say he didn't ultimately fail. There just seems to be a weird obsession with him by some even though he's been gone for months.
I think United fans seem to have weird obsessions with managers, as opposed to how fans of other clubs carry on. I've always found it extremely odd (barring Fergie, obviously). There are still plenty who refuse to admit Ole failed; so instead, they will mention small facets of his reign to praise him, rather than looking at his tenure holistically. This kind of shit is annoying and extremely disingenuous. Saying he "beat City 3 times in a season" is so pathetic and small time, yet that's the attitide of some..
Solskjaer was right person at that time because he was someone who lifted the mood up. You saw it right away when he took over.
They need a coach. Agree. They need someone who can tell those up there that we don't need Lingard and Pogba and those kind of players. They are using the magnitute of our club for own purposes. We need to go back buying players usefull to the club. I rather have players like Valencia or Park then some of our big buys. We need to stop giving them 250000 a week where they feel they own the world without needing to perform. We need to go back to basics.
I'm not telling you anything. It would be interesting to know which direction you would have liked the club to take instead.You think I can remember who was available 3 years ago? The club should have been sounding out an appointment while Ole was interim. Are you seriously trying to tell me that there were no better options available than the ex Cardiff and Molde manager? Get to feck
Hypothetically , who would you have hired if all managers were available 3 years ago, except Pep and Klopp?
Am in total agreement with this. I miss that commitment and watching players who truly loved being here.
That’s such a lazy question, reminiscent of Priti Patel asking if others have better options and, like the other user said, especially difficult to remember who was available at the time.
I do seem to remember Nagelsmann and Rose were available at the time. But frankly you could have thrown a dart at a board with pictures of available managers and landed on a better option.
Again, I have no idea who was available at the time or what they were doing. The type of manager I would have liked would have been in the progressive, modern manager mould. So someone of ETH's ilk. Maybe someome like Marco Rose or Nagelsmann, though I'm not sure what they were doing at the time.
It's been sickening watching the likes of Liverpool and City play really progressive brands of successful football, while we have gone for managers with no real style whatsoever. LvG was the closest we got to a manager who had a clear tactical identity, but that didn't work out. Funnily enough, he allegedly wanted Mane and VVD while both were at Southampton, so interesting had he gotten both.
Thing is; hiring Ole as interim was right at the time, and brought about a-bit of nostalgic fun. But at the time, most fans were crying out for a modern, progressive manager to take the reigns after Ole's interim period. There was all this exciting talk of huge structural changes and a new manager to follow. Typically, we took the lazy route and hired Ole, and were served with another 3-years of outdated, non-exciting football.
Ralf Rangnick recommended Denis Zakaria to the scouts, who the board just fired and he was not brought in during the Jan window.
Juventus bought him for just 6 million.
I suppose Juventus know feck all about players.
But yeah. Lets blame Ralf.
Juventus bought him for just 6 million.
I suppose Juventus know feck all about players.
But yeah. Lets blame Ralf.
I think the main reason this thread gets regularly bumped is because of lauding of Ole's squad and his "cultural reboot". It was all obviously BS and that had become glaringly obvious as the season has progressed.
Also the sheer levels of sanctimonious posts and threads made towards anyone who raised doubts throughout his tenure was always going to lead to a lot of "told you so" posts once he was fired.
There are no real positives to his reign. His signings all appear to be duds, or he didn't use them whatsoever so any subsequent success a Sancho or DvB may eventually achieve cannot be attributed to him. The shifting of goalposts of him being a great recruiter, to him being hamstrung by the board also comes across as supremely disingenuous.
Overall he was just yet another managerial failure, albeit one who will always hold a special place in our hearts because of his playing career.
Also the sheer levels of sanctimonious posts and threads made towards anyone who raised doubts throughout his tenure was always going to lead to a lot of "told you so" posts once he was fired.
There are no real positives to his reign. His signings all appear to be duds, or he didn't use them whatsoever so any subsequent success a Sancho or DvB may eventually achieve cannot be attributed to him. The shifting of goalposts of him being a great recruiter, to him being hamstrung by the board also comes across as supremely disingenuous.
Overall he was just yet another managerial failure, albeit one who will always hold a special place in our hearts because of his playing career.
As an interim, 100% success, despite the fact the momentum from his appointment/Jose's sacking did eventually slow and we ended that season horrifically.
Never should have been given anything more than that season though. Emotion got the best of the club and supporters after Paris, and I hope the board have learnt from that, at least.
Ralph wasnt brought in to buy player.
He just helped took over a nothing season and get assessment first hand.
Let's not blame him for the malady. The player gave up on him and he's done a marvelous job showing the fans the real problem ie the player.
Buying in jan window is like bandaid on a tumor. Waste of money and resources. Let ETH build his team.
Aye, I enjoyed his interim period as it took us out of the Jose rut. I also found myself watching a shit load of Ole goals and that super successful era for the club. It was lovely and nostalgic and actually worked, in a new manager bounce kind of way. But by the time he got the permanent gig, the new manager bounce had worn off and we went on to have a pretty shite 7 or 8 months until Bruno arrived.
He clearly should never have gotten the job, and the Board typically took the easy way out. Thankfully, Ole's failed tenure seems to finally have led to some exciting structural changes at the club. ETH was also my number one choice, so it's starting to finally look positive. In saying that, it will take a long time to clean up this mess.
Let him down? HOW? We spent £140m in the summer. Signing a goalscoring CF, one of the best CB in the world and one of the best young talent in the world! Some of you live in your own bubble. Ole spent £400m+ during his tenure here, if he didn't sign a midfielder or 2 over 7 transfer windows then it's on him. Not the club!
Amount of excuses made for Ole on this forum is laughable.
That bandaid of only 6 million would have been the difference of qualifying for the CL and where we are now.
Perhaps. And even if it is not the case, he's still a player who could have served very well under Erik ten Hag.
This is rewriting history.
He himself rejected advice from his own coaching staff to not sign Ronaldo.
Wasnt it fergie who said you dont get anything for coming second? First in anything is what all our managers should be judged on, so on that remit JM, VG are the only 2 managers who can claim to have done anything since Fergie and that wasnt really good enough for the size of club we are.
He spent 40 million quid one one and never fecking played him. Preferring absolutely woeful performances from McTominay instead.
That is true, but Ole should have kicked them up the ass and if that sidnt work get shut of the troublemakers. He kept Lingard when he could have sold him to WHU. By coddling them and renewing some contracts he gave them carte blanche to do as they please. Thats why it all gradually come unstuck.
Not one of those players was needed as much as we needed a central midfield. Dreadful recruitment and now we need about seven players.
Recruitment is more than the manager alone. It’s structural failure (and yes, Ole is partly culpable for that).
He got sacked. Get over it.