Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
So we should excommunicate any manger who fails to win a title with like some tyrannical oil regime
Yes we've become like Liverpool with their pathetic sentimentality but there's nothing wrong with fans appreciating a manger and player whom they love and tried his best
Cant change the fact that he scored that goal in 99. He is a huge part of our history, mixed feelings on his management, id rather that now become history as we focus on the next chapter.
I guarantee you every Norwegian on redcafe knows about it, they just chose to look the other way. It was big in sweden as a few of them are from here.
I really liked him before but this opened my eyes to what a rotten person he really is and it makes me sick in my stomach every time i read anyone saying what "wonderful person" he is. He isnt.
Just to clarify, the match going fans are the ones who aren't real United fans because they have an attachment to a club legend?
I assume you'll be at the match booing the Ole tribute, given that you're a real United fan and not an Ole fan?
I have been a match going fan. I don't boo ex managers or players either. But to give an ex manager a tribute for not winning anything and putting us in the current position we are is ridiculous. As a player he had his testimonial. If he had retired then it's great. He got sacked.
Its the Ole surfer banner. It won't kill you.
And "celebrate failure"?
I'm convinced some of our fans have only been supporting the club for five minutes.
He's a club legend and we're showing him that he is still viewed as that. What's the problem?
It's OK. If it ends with that.
We had so many ex players and much bigger legends than him. He came back as a manager got sacked due to his incompetency. If they take their time and once we start winning then it's ok. But not now.
He's not any ex manager or player. He's a club legend, and fans are paying tribute to him for the atmosphere he brought back to the club after the toxicity of Mourinho.
You don't have to agree with them, but calling fans who will actually be at the game not real fans, because they have a deeper attachment to a club legend than you do, is one of the silliest things I've ever read on this forum.
This is pretty much it, a lot of people showing their plasticity.
For crying out loud, even Chelsea and their plastic fans had a banner up for their first home match following Lampard's departure.
By all means give him a song or a round of applause but, for a club that has won 20 league titles, Ole is a curious kind of legend. He was a supersub whose alternative career path was not, like Robson or Giggs, a well paid gig at a European giant, but rather mid-table Spurs. And basically anyone would have improved the atmosphere after the Mourinho meltdown.
They have a deeper attachment to a club legend than the club itself.
I'd say they may feel closer to him as a symbol of what United was to what United is right now.
i think it’s guilt, people fawning over him after wanting him sacked. There’s no need to go over the top just carry on showing appreciation same as did before he was a manager.
I cannot understand the obsession with atmosphere and vibes, Ole tried but he failed and left us where he found us. It’s not his fault he wasn’t good enough and there’s nothing wrong with fans admitting he failed.
Didn't he have some very interesting signings whilst Cardiff manager, most of which were players who were also under the same agent as he, and he was accused of having a conflict of interest?
That is a feeling all of us have now.
Was that in the tunnel? It wasnt on the pitch.
Tarnished. He scored one goal that made him a «legend» 22 years ago, otherwise he was pretty far from being one. His ego made him think he could manage this club, but of course he couldn’t. For me, he will always be remembered as the scorer of that goal - as well as being one of the worst managers of all time in the Premier League.
Eh.....
126 goals in 366 games over 11 seasons at Utd
6 P.Ls
2 FA Cups
1 CL
But, yeah, OK. I mean there are loads of players who won 6 league titles with the same club who are not considered legends, I just can't think of their names right now.
How have you worked that out? They aren't boycotting United to go round Ole's house, they're just holding up a banner in tribute at a match.
Honestly mate you need to take a step back and figure out why you have such a problem with fans paying tribute to Ole. Your arguments are nonsensical and frankly just bizarre.
Who cares whether he's a curious legend or not? He's still a legend. He was the winning goalscorer in the highest moment in the club's history, and stayed with us when he could have played more elsewhere, helping us rack up trophies along the way.
He may not have been the new Pep as a manager, but if you've got an emotional attachment to the club from back when Ole was a player, then it's highly likely you've got an emotional attachment to Ole.
Fans paying tribute to that aren't "Ole over United" or whatever nonsense some of the plastic fans are suggesting, they're simply paying tribute to a legend who's no longer managing.
Embarrassing post.
Well, we have quite a few players like that. But Ole never was an essential player for us. He was a super sub. So I don’t know if he can be considered as a legend.
I can probably list 20 players in SAF time who contributed more then him.
It’s easy just to look at the honors. He was a good player, played his part in our success, was likable but nothing more then that apart from the famous goal of course.
I do think his “legend status” was grossly exaggerated by the United PR team after he became United manager and many fans bought it. Before he became manager he was well liked and fondly remembered for his goal and status as a super sub, a cult hero in a way but never the legend he was made out to be after he became manager.
Don’t get me wrong, he played a huge part in our most legendary moment and as a team short on European cups it’s natural that we will feel closer to him than Barca do to Koeman or Madrid feel to Bale, or Liverpool feel Dudek etc.
Don’t get me wrong, he played a huge part in our most legendary moment and as a team short on European cups it’s natural that we will feel closer to him than Barca do to Koeman or Madrid feel to Bale, or Liverpool feel Dudek etc.
Not sure that goals per games is exactly fair. Perhaps you have access to goals per minute ratio?
Yup, they did upgrade his status after he joined as manager. But there were also segments of the supporters who always saw him that way. You always get that with goal scorers.
Many of our younger fans have been brainwashed into thinking all he did was score at the Nou Camp. fecking clueless.
Treading water for 3 years sums it up pretty well to be honest. It’s almost like the club feels guilty even though the sacking was warranted 10 times over.
This whole schtick of overtly being sorry for having to end the misery is simply pathetic. As a player, no one else will be the "super sub", period. As a manager, he was the perfect interim but definitely overstayed his welcome and his ability. As an adult with plenty of experience in your general area of expertise, you should be able to judge or even be aware if you are out of your depth or not. Obviously the experience or the necessary self-consciousness was lacking ...
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Its mental. I mean, it wasn't even the only stoppage time winner he scored in 99 to keep us in the hunt for the treble.Many of our younger fans have been brainwashed into thinking all he did was score at the Nou Camp. fecking clueless.
Few ever mention it, but we were 1-0 down to Liverpool in one of the early rounds of the FA Cup going into the last 10 minutes and he came on and scored an injury time winner.
Looking at his stats...
And people can't understand that some of us who witnessed that consider him a legend?
Well to be fair Koeman scored an extra-time winner to clinch first-ever Barcelona champions cup, so he is somewhat comparable.
comparable in what he did yes, comparable in how he’s viewed by fans not at all. Maybe if Barca didn’t win another 4 CL after that their fans might view Koeman more specially
Yeah they have. It's these attention seeking United fan channels and twitter accounts, who post shit tweets that get amplified by opposition fans.Many of our younger fans have been brainwashed into thinking all he did was score at the Nou Camp. fecking clueless.
Amazing how fans have just chucked his career in the mud on their say so. I feel sad for them.
True. I guess the question is how much you're willing to let the past affect your eyes when you are looking at the present and future.
I have seen us get relegated and then come up and win the FA Cup a few times. Then struggle until SAF took over. So having the horrid time under Jose was roses compared to going down to the old second division .
I actually meant how you let the memories from Solskjaer as a player affect your view of him as a manager.
Just wow.
Not spoken of enough. People were so eager for him to succeed they literally put his career ahead of the rather obvious decline.