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Spanish Women's NT | 15 players walk out over manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Exactly. What is the issue?!It sounds like there are some vital details missing from this story.
If it was just one player against the manager (like Roy Keane vs. Mick McCarthy), it would be far easier to sweep the issue under the rug even if later revelations prove the player was right to an extent. But when it's 15 players, including some of the very best in the world at the moment, who are telling the manager to eat shit, there is a very serious problem that can only be solved by sacking the lone manager.
They raised their issues and said they wouldn’t play if the situation didn’t change. The situation didn’t change so they pulled out.
It’s the FA who’s announced that they pulled out and cast aspersions.
I don’t dig that 15 female players want to kick out their male manager just because he has bad management or sporting issues, something tells me it will eventually evolve into something more and it would have to be dealt with a proper investigation.
NOTICE: I received a warning for the bolded text seen in my last message. What I tried to mean is that this matter may involve sexual or criminal activity, hence why the players are doing this as response. I’m not even taking a stand to support any group whatsoever.
TBH I haven’t read community guidelines for the forum but I don’t think my comment was against any of them. You may be against my comment and that is fine by me but I find it amusing some people openly and explicitly use bad words or even insult others in the forum while I get a warning for something I tried not to be openly harmful to others. I apologize if somebody mistook it for other thing but I openly dismiss the reasons for said warning. Thanks.
The players, who regret that the emails, sent privately, have been made public, say that they are not resigning from the national team but that they prefer not to be called up "until situations that affect their emotional and personal state are reversed".
They say their intention is not to provoke the coach's departure but to help in a constructive way.
They say their intention is not to provoke the coach's departure but to help in a constructive way.
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Just adding the comment from the former United women's manager:
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Excellent reply.
It's a good response from them. The emails became a public attack on the coach because RFEF chose to make bits of them selectively public.
Incidentally we now know that the reason why some players who might have been expected to complain aren't complaining is because they were not called up.
In the case of Putellas it's because she's injured - she's now tweeted that group response - in case anyone doubted where she stands on it.
In the case of Irene Parades she was dropped from the squad as a suitable scapegoat after the team first requested discussions with the coach and the RFEF, back in August.
The translated version:
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Don't mind me I'm sarcastic like that, don't take anything I say personally.
I too found it funny that they'd do it for pure incompetence and if the Barca players didn't have a history of pulling this kind of thing.
If they have legit reasons like the manager looks down on them or treats them poorly because of gender than I fully support them. If its just "we want a bad manager sacked" it leads to a dangerous precedent if everyone follows suits and gives players absolute power over FA's clubs etc..
A very rare case of players revolting against a bad manager doesnt set up any sort of dangerous precedent. It wont lead to giving players absolute power over FAs or clubs, thats just daft. When a national team has this many players that unhappy then the issue is a problem with the manager.
The complication in women's football is that there's a long history of players being lied to, promised things that don't happen and being on the wrong end of contracts - they could never afford the kind of lawyers and agents who could protect them.
They're used to being ignored and fed platitudes and threats - after all, they're supposed to be grateful they're getting paid to play football, so they doubt that the RFEF are on their side or even on the side of creating a winning team and a good playing environment.
Right now the women players don't have the kind of PR teams, agents and hungry for insider gossip press corp that can act as their buffers and mouthpieces when things are going badly.
In other words the men get the press to do their dirty work.
The women have to risk their careers to get a hearing and so far all a hearing means is they've managed to get a threatening letter from their FA.
So what if mens team x follow suit? Followed by another? Every team with a bad manager?
This is a fair take and if it is indeed other stuff and not just a poor manager I support them completely. If its substandard treatment, an FA not caring and lying than by all means they are in the right but if its "we don't like the gaffer" then they are clearly in the wrong.
Like the Irish women being forced to share tracksuits, I can stand behind anyone walking out in those situations 100%.
It happens in men's teams all the time - they don't risk their careers to do it though. They get their entourage to drop hints to the press.
To give you an idea of the discrepancy:
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Has that happened before? Is whats happening with this team common??
Your what if is really unrealistic.
This incident wont lead to large numbers of players at large numbers of clubs or NTs doing this and causing the collapse of civilisation as we know it.
I expected something more, they want a change because they feel that the coach is not up to the job? and if there is something else, what do they mean by situations that affect their emotional state?
And then the politics part, is Vilda untouchable because of his father, who voted for Rubiales? And why are the Madrid players not participating in this, by order of the club or is it a personal decision of each one?
Trust me as someone who's club have an unsackable incompetent baffoon in charge of the womens team who should be replaced I know how slow womens football is to change, but I stand by theres a big difference between a poor manager and a toxic attitude through and fa or club to womens football. City have literally lost half our best players over the club persisting with a poor manager. It'll all come out in the end and if treatment is unfair than they'll get my support if not than I disagree with them taking this stance as I do strongly believe it sets a precedent for others to follow (in both the womens and men's games)
Luis Cortes was forced to resign after winning the treble by many of the same group
https://www.sport.es/en/news/futbol...-for-coach-lluis-cortes-to-be-sacked-11836548
Oh well I guess you are right, thats a lot of teams doing this, the end of civilisation is imminent
It's Sport, they are a tabloid. Other sources say he felt burnt out and wanted to leave.
Those are also my thoughts as it has been clear the players have had complaints about him for a while and expressed, so I also think it should never reach that point. It just paints everyone in a bad light, the manager as someone out of his depth that has lost the dressing room and the people who put him in charge are also painted like incompetent and dismissive of the players. Lastly it also affects the players, it's not professional and they could face some serious consequences.
He said that himself when he went back on the extension he signed, but it was clear he wasn't wanted.
I didn't say there are a lot of team. I said it sets precedent that players "can" do this. You even used the word precedent in your original quote of mine. Than I said what if. I never said it has happened en masse anywhere but there is now precedent.
You asked "Has that happened before" and I linked you to an admittedly unproven article that was talked about many places at the time of the same group of players asking to have another manager terminated. Said manager wasn't sacked but signed a contract extension he then went back on because of this group. Maybe they're just unlucky and the manager that guided them to the treble and a record season is terrible too.
Maybe their international manager isn't that bad and they were just beaten by better teams? They went out to the eventual champions in extra time after being a goal up with 5 minutes to go in a tournament where none of their goal scorers were available. Its not like they trashed England in their previous meetings.
All that said, if its more than just "the manager is bad" then I support them completely.
To be fair we all walked out at work when our manager was a complete Cnut Targeting and bullying a few colleagues. We refused to work until he was escorted off the premises, he was and we never saw him again.
it happens so a bit of a non story.
it happens so a bit of a non story.
France, World Cup 2010! All started with Domenech sending Anelka home after Anelka called him a "son of a whore" at half-time in their 2nd group game against Mexico, which they went on to lose 2-0 in the second half! After the game, Evra, the captain at the time, led his players on a strike against the manager, and they refused to train... although they did complete their 3rd game in the end, a 2-1 loss against hosts South Africa! I remember it caused massive controversy in France at the time... all players who went to the World Cup were banned from France's "homecoming game"... Evra banned for even longer for leading the strike! The players who played in the French leagues were booed by opposition supporters for quite a while too!
Bits of the background story are arriving now.
It's useful to note that Vilda was given the job by his dad who was in charge of women's football at RFEF at the time.
Jorge Vilda himself is now not just the team manager he's the Director of women's football at RFEF (including all the girls and women's national teams). That means if you've got a problem with him, you can try talking to his boss - him.
A couple of examples from the training camps - if they are allowed to go out from camp, any shopping they buy is inspected, and players must log anyone they spoke to or met with outside camp. Bedroom doors are to remain open until midnight to allow staff to check that the women remain in their rooms.
In more general football terms he's accused of creating a starters/others mentality in the camp - rather than a united squad.
It's useful to note that Vilda was given the job by his dad who was in charge of women's football at RFEF at the time.
Jorge Vilda himself is now not just the team manager he's the Director of women's football at RFEF (including all the girls and women's national teams). That means if you've got a problem with him, you can try talking to his boss - him.
A couple of examples from the training camps - if they are allowed to go out from camp, any shopping they buy is inspected, and players must log anyone they spoke to or met with outside camp. Bedroom doors are to remain open until midnight to allow staff to check that the women remain in their rooms.
In more general football terms he's accused of creating a starters/others mentality in the camp - rather than a united squad.
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That seems very draconian and very intrusive. What were they hoping the girls were buying.
I remember rumours during euros that all was not well between him and the team. They still could've beaten England though.
Surprised he's been in charge since 2015 so 7 years seems quite a well for a mutiny to brew.
Surprised he's been in charge since 2015 so 7 years seems quite a well for a mutiny to brew.
Coincidentally, do you think City is right to stick with a manager who is so poor that six players seek other pastures when they can? If six new key players opt out/refuse to renew next season, should City just stick with him?
If the United players asked for Solskjær to leave after the Watford game, should Murtaugh have kept him on just to avvoid setting a precedent?
I think this is a far cry from what happened at Barca (which Sport compared to when Pep resigned there). This is more connected to why Casey Stoney left United, because she saw that the powers at the club were not taking the team seriously enough, and she likely thought she would impound the problem by staying and going along with it. In a way, it’s the opposite choice of what Ferguson made when he camouflaged the consequences of Glazer’s leveraged takeover by making the best of the situation (particularily) from 2010 to 2013. The Spanish federation seems to be the ones not honouring the National colours, and the players may not only be in their full right to decline to play (like Zidane Iqbal did for Iran this week), but it might even be the most patriotic thing to do, given the particular situation.
I don't think there is any hidden story like sexual harrassment because that would be easiest way to get the coach sacked.
But 15 girls are complaining about the coach. This is so uncommon. It requires courage and unity. Things must have gone beyond tolerance. They must listen instead of shaming the girls.
But 15 girls are complaining about the coach. This is so uncommon. It requires courage and unity. Things must have gone beyond tolerance. They must listen instead of shaming the girls.
Bizarre management if those accusations are true. What a prick.
Even if it weren't about coercive/controlling behaviour like that but just about poor management, I'd love to have the right to vote my boss out. Imagine working for a democratic company instead of an authoritarian one.
Even if it weren't about coercive/controlling behaviour like that but just about poor management, I'd love to have the right to vote my boss out. Imagine working for a democratic company instead of an authoritarian one.
A view from another manager. This is from Casey Stoney - formerly an England NT player, and United women's manager. She recruited and managed one of the signatories - Ona Batlle:
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Yeah, and this comes from someone who has been on all sides of the table - became a NT player when nearly all administration was a farce, if there was any at all. Then played a carreer at the highest level. Then built a team from scratch, gone up from second division to the CL qualification line, and walked from one of the potentially most prestigeous jobs in womens football because the club wasn’t serious enough about it.
I think what is hard to fathom is the difference to the mens game. If this was the Spanish mens team, it would have been one of the worlds elite coaches trying to handle 15 billionaires with enormous egoes. Being the womens team, it is 15 players with the highest imaginable level of against-all-odds top athlete mentalities, led by the son of whoever owns the NT van.
And the mens coach would have been sacked after seven months under circumstances. The womens coach is still there after 7 years - unsackable.