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Reckons that the deal for Ruud is all but struck, but the only sticking point is hte price.

According to SSN the deal might be £10 million plus Gravesen....

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fredthered said:
Reckons that the deal for Ruud is all but struck, but the only sticking point is hte price.

According to SSN the deal might be £10 million plus Gravesen....

Your comments...
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sounds like us in the transfer market
 
Gravesen shouldn't be one of the 'big two' signings we're supposed to make for midfield. But he could be a good addition.
 
Yeah, you wouldn't want Graveson as the main midfielder real deal of the summer but he would be a good addition a good "squad player"

i.e. Impressive in the Carling Cup

But we would still need class act in midfield a strong physical presence not just wishey washey Djumbo Hippo's.
 
toxic04 said:
Yeah, you wouldn't want Graveson as the main midfielder real deal of the summer but he would be a good addition a good "squad player"

i.e. Impressive in the Carling Cup

But we would still need class act in midfield a strong physical presence not just wishey washey Djumbo Hippo's.
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Agreed, inconsistent maybe, but a class act when in his pomp. I wouldn't be disappointed by this.
 
fredthered said:
According to SSN the deal might be £10 million plus Gravesen....
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These rumours are getting more depressing by the day.

£30m for a 30yr old Shevchenko and only £10m for the 30yr old (and better striker) Nistelrooy!

Add to that a mediocre midfielder in Gravenson.


United really have no business acumen if this goes through.
 
032Devil said:
These rumours are getting more depressing by the day.

£30m for a 30yr old Shevchenko and only £10m for the 30yr old (and better striker) Nistelrooy!

Add to that a mediocre midfielder in Gravenson.


United really have no business acumen if this goes through.
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Any sense goes out the window in deals involving chelsea, though. You can't blame united for chelseas overspending. 10m plus gravesen is decent for RVN.
 
djemba's arse said:
Any sense goes out the window in deals involving chelsea, though. You can't blame united for chelseas overspending. 10m plus gravesen is decent for RVN.
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Chelski may over-pay for a player but not by £20m!

United on the other hand, have historially released players well below their marketable value.
 
djemba's arse said:
10m plus gravesen is decent for RVN.
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Not in my book! RVN is in demand. There is no reason why United can't drive up the price. Gravesen played for a mid-table club in the Prem and failed to make the grade in Madrid.

Is he worth £4 - 6m?
 
please not gravesen, i've never rated him at all

6 months of good form for everton and he became a 'great player'

if he was that good madrid would keep him - they're not exactly strong in the centre of midfield are they? He's flopped there and would flop for us imo

I'm just glad that player + cash deals very rarely happen and more often than not they're just stories created by lazy journos looking for a way to make two transfer rumours at the same time
 
032Devil said:
£30m for a 30yr old Shevchenko and only £10m for the 30yr old (and better striker) Nistelrooy!
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A) If you think Ruud is a better player, you are deluded. The rest of europe, however, is not.
B) It's Chelsea.
C) They bought a player Milan didn't want to sell. Real are buying a player everyone knows we are desperate to sell.
 
Some of you people would be complaining in almost every case.

We'd be getting 10 million for a want-away striker, who has recently had a very serious rift with a manager, plus a proven, experienced player who has already played in Primera Division.

No one has really said that Gravesen would be our midfield solution, in fact it's an obvious thing he wouldn't. If he were supposed to be some of this kind, then we would have signed him in January when he was available. If this deal is true, then I think it goes through because Real don't want to pay more than 10 million for Ruud and United don't want to sell him for such a small price, so they worked out a new deal. Acceptable, for me at least.
 
Its about time our negotiation team stopped being taken for as fecking idiots.. The Beckham deal to Madrid was the most shittest deal ever.. We were so short changed, given that he was in his prime, be it on or off the field.. If they want RVN, they better pay at least 14mil pounds and nothing less.. For feck sake, they are getting one of the greatest scorer in all levels for the last decade, and they better match our valuation
 
Freak said:
He used to be good, now he's crap. Can you guys imagine, after being linked with players like diarra,mascherano,gattuso,pirlo we instead get graveson?
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we're linked with every quality player out there. I doubt theres been any serious interest from us in anyone other than Diarra out of those.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
we're linked with every quality player out there. I doubt theres been any serious interest from us in anyone other than Diarra out of those.
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Yes. But my point is with all the quality players that are actually available(granted they'll come with a high price), we actually sign a 30 year old average(at best) player.
 
we should take Ruben De La Red & Roberto Soldado instead of Gravesen
 
thewelshconjurer said:
Gravesen is class.

It was a big, big mistake we let him join Real last winter.
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Was. Before he went to madrid, yes, I would have welcomed him here with open arms because he was one of the best midfielders in the EPL. However, recently he has seemed to have gone downhill.
 
Freak said:
Was. Before he went to madrid, yes, I would have welcomed him here with open arms because he was one of the best midfielders in the EPL. However, recently he has seemed to have gone downhill.
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So has everyone at Real, and they played him out of position, he is not a defensive midfielder
 
The thing everybody needs to realise is he is not a defensive midfielder as such, and is actually an attacking midfield player. Because of his big bustling appearance it is automatically assumed that his best qualities are defensive ones, but it is quite the contary, if you watched Everton when he was in magnificient form, it is obvious that when placed alongside a defensive player, (in Evertons case Lee Carsley) he is a very intelligent footballer who sets up attacks effectively, while he also offers some steel in the midfield. The reason why he has failed at Real Madrid is because he was put in a defensive midfield position, which he is not. Now Thomas Gravesen is a quality player, end of question, however he is not an answer to our defensive midfield issues. If this report is true though, he would be a very useful addition to the squad, and would certainly form a formidible partnership besides a Mashcerano or a Diarra.
 
Amir said:
A) If you think Ruud is a better player, you are deluded. The rest of europe, however, is not.
B) It's Chelsea.
C) They bought a player Milan didn't want to sell. Real are buying a player everyone knows we are desperate to sell.
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A) If you think Ruud is a better player, you are deluded. The rest of europe, however, is not.

Ruud is one of the best half-a-dozen strikers in the world. Shevchenko maybe a better all-around player but Ruud is without doubt, one of the deadliest.

Players coming out of Italy always seem to come with an inflated reputation. Remember Crespo? Regarded as one of the deadliest in the world and he did f-all in the Premiership.

Shev may do better but he'll have to perform miracles to overturn the standing of Nistelrooy and Henry in the Premiership.

B) It's Chelsea.

It may be Chelsea but the discrepancy of £20m between the two players is an act of stupid either by Chelski or United. The former is over-paying and the latter is (as always) under selling. Ruud will garunatee atleast 20 goals a season. Shev might/might not get a few more.


C) They bought a player Milan didn't want to sell. Real are buying a player everyone knows we are desperate to sell.

But Nistelrooy is a player in demand. There are clubs in England that want him and there are clubs in Europe that want him too. United should play one club off the other to get the best price. The truth is United are simply awful when it comes to selling it's own players.

Ronaldinho was only wanted by two clubs - United and Barcelona. Yet, from a starting price of about £3m (according to rumours), his price spiralled to over £20m as the club that owed him played one off the other.
 
032Devil said:
C) They bought a player Milan didn't want to sell. Real are buying a player everyone knows we are desperate to sell.

But Nistelrooy is a player in demand. There are clubs in England that want him and there are clubs in Europe that want him too. United should play one club off the other to get the best price. The truth is United are simply awful when it comes to selling it's own players.

Ronaldinho was only wanted by two clubs - United and Barcelona. Yet, from a starting price of about £3m (according to rumours), his price spiralled to over £20m as the club that owed him played one off the other.
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Agreed that Ruud is a player we/he wants to move on, and after that small spat with Ronaldo it turned out to be world wide news. Hence thats why like you said Milan didn't want to sell, on top of that Shevchenko 3 years left on his contract and was also about to negotiate another one. Whilst Ruud had 2 years left and had mentioned that he would consider finishing his career at PSV.

We do get ripped of when buying and selling our players. However Ronaldinho's transfer wasn't £3m starting as he moved to PSG for around £10m so 3 was a slight exerggeration from the press
 
Graverson and £10m would be ok...... but Graverson, we give them £10m and also Fletcher would be better!!
 
032Devil said:
Ruud is one of the best half-a-dozen strikers in the world. Shevchenko maybe a better all-around player but Ruud is without doubt, one of the deadliest.

Players coming out of Italy always seem to come with an inflated reputation. Remember Crespo? Regarded as one of the deadliest in the world and he did f-all in the Premiership.

Shev may do better but he'll have to perform miracles to overturn the standing of Nistelrooy and Henry in the Premiership.

It may be Chelsea but the discrepancy of £20m between the two players is an act of stupid either by Chelski or United. The former is over-paying and the latter is (as always) under selling. Ruud will garunatee atleast 20 goals a season. Shev might/might not get a few more.

But Nistelrooy is a player in demand. There are clubs in England that want him and there are clubs in Europe that want him too. United should play one club off the other to get the best price. The truth is United are simply awful when it comes to selling it's own players.
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Ruud has shown signs of being past his best and recently had two managers dropping him to the bench. It does play a part in lowering the price. As for Crespo - He's got something like 20 goals in 49 apperances (not starts, I suppose, statistics vary from site to site). It's hardly bad for a player who admitted time and time again he's struggling to adapt.

We may be able to play Real and Bayern against each other. Or we may end up aggrevating both and failing to sell. Real may get one of the players from Italy, and Bayern don't actually need Ruud, I'm not even sure why they are bothering. We REALLY want to sell Ruud and may need the money (soon) to fund other signings, so our hands might be somewhat tied.

The problem with United is, that we mostly sell players we are really desperate to sell. And the world knows we are. So our starting negotiating point is already pretty low.

Having said that, if I were Real Madrid or Bayern Munich, I wouldn't even buy Ruud. So lets count our blessing and take the 11m or whatever we're getting. I don't care how much Chelsea paid for Shevchenko. They play by their own rules, where John Obi Mikel is worth 16m.
 
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