Stability. Please explain that to me

[Andycoleno9]

Well, sorry for another thread but this comes getting lost on other threads.
Since day one, it is repeated by some fans and United pundits, how Ole brought stability and "steadied the ship". What does that mean?

Aren't for club's stability most important things results (which is on coach) and financial result (which is on owners)? What was wrong with our era with Jose that Ole needed to steady the ship? And how did he exactly do it?

Please don't say good mood. Please don't say good mod.

 

[Marwood]

Well, sorry for another thread but this comes getting lost on other threads.
Since day one, it is repeated by some fans and United pundits, how Ole brought stability and "steadied the ship". What does that mean?

Aren't for club's stability most important things results (which is on coach) and financial result (which is on owners)? What was wrong with our era with Jose that Ole needed to steady the ship? And how did he exactly do it?

Please don't say good mood. Please don't say good mod.

End the discontent of Mourinho era, reverse the downward trajectory we were on, get the right kind of players in. Which to be fair Ole was doing until about 6 month ago. It's just gone a bit wrong since then.

And we've seen the oppposite of stability, hopping from one manager to the next, one style to the next, got us in a right mess.

I know people refer to the Chelsea model all the time but actually the two clubs winning the league, Liverpool and City, do have that managerial stability that's talked about so much.

But wether its a long term or short term appointment is all fairly irrelevant if it's not the right guy.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Basically Mou set the bar so low whilst waiting to be sacked, Ole was a welcome change as interim. That's all he should have ever been.

 

[BluesJr]

Just another fugazi in the world of football.

 

[matsdf]

He is the first manager since Fergie to consecutively get us finishing top 4. That is of course not what we aim for and is pleased with, but at least it is some kind of consistency.

 

[Nickelodeon]

Stability is defined as the state or quality of being steady and not changing.

Last year in October, we lost 1-6 to Spurs at OT. This year in October, we lost 0-5 to Liverpool. Same manager at the helm for both results. Stability.

 

[Idxomer]

He is the first manager since Fergie to consecutively get us finishing top 4. That is of course not what we aim for and is pleased with, but at least it is some kind of consistency.

The only reason a top 4 finish matters is because it gets us into the CL and Mourinho got us in the CL twice in a row and had more points if you compare his 1st two seasons with Ole's.

He also won two trophies and reached another final, this is better consistency than Ole.

 

[Andycoleno9]

He is the first manager since Fergie to consecutively get us finishing top 4. That is of course not what we aim for and is pleased with, but at least it is some kind of consistency.

It is often repeated but that is totally out of cintext. Jose did that too. I choose CL spot through winning EL than finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

 

[sullydnl]

I would hope stability comes from the levels above the manager, in that that there should now be a structure and vision in place whereby if Solskjaer goes we will have a clearly defined role in mind for the manager, will know the qualities we're prioritising in that replacement and will have a strong footballing structure in place for them to slot into. Because with a DOF structure in place we should be more stable than we were when Ole took over.

If we're giving Ole credit for anything in that regard it may be that he was more amenable to those changes taking place above him than other managers were and the time of relatively low expectations his status as a player bought him (no outsider would have been shown the patience he has) allowed more opportunity for the changes around him to bed in.

Whereas in terms of Mourinho, there were reports that he was against a DOF coming in and was at odds with several of the people who now form part of our recruitment team. That internal conflict would lead to a certain lack of stability.

 

[Bobcat]

End the discontent of Mourinho era, reverse the downward trajectory we were on, get the right kind of players in. Which to be fair Ole was doing until about 6 month ago. It's just gone a bit wrong since then.

And we've seen the oppposite of stability, hopping from one manager to the next, one style to the next, got us in a right mess.

I know people refer to the Chelsea model all the time but actually the two clubs winning the league, Liverpool and City, do have that managerial stability that's talked about so much.

But wether its a long term or short term appointment is all fairly irrelevant if it's not the right guy.

Pretty much sums it up.

Also, back to back top 4 finishes, which none of his predecessors managed.

His time is done though and if he wants to leave with any dignity left, he has to leave now

 

[Skills]

Long term success is just a series of short term successes.

Being successful is what makes you stable.

 

[Revan]

It was empty words all along. Because the results in the pitch, and the football in the pitch was indefensible, so Ole inners had to invent intangible things to show that he is going a great job. Steading the ship, removing toxicity etc.

Steading the ship? We are worse than at under any point during Mourinho.
Removing the toxicity? Is that fans booing the team twice in the space of a match? Or Old Trafford being half-empty in the match vs Liverpool. Or maybe players having digs at Ole ('we play like kids', 'the coaching staff know that the need to improve' etc).

The moment people have to invent reasons to defend the manager, you know that the situation is shit.

 

[Marwood]

It was empty words all along. Because the results in the pitch, and the football in the pitch was indefensible, so Ole inners had to invent intangible things to show that he is going a great job. Steading the ship, removing toxicity etc.

Steading the ship? We are worse than at under any point during Mourinho.
Removing the toxicity? Is that fans booing the team twice in the space of a match? Or Old Trafford being half-empty in the match vs Liverpool. Or maybe players having digs at Ole ('we play like kids', 'the coaching staff know that the need to improve' etc).

The moment people have to invent reasons to defend the manager, you know that the situation is shit.

Nah at lot of the pro Ole arguments were true at the time. Things are bad right now but it hasn't been like this all the way through his tenure.

There was a point where things were looking good, everything going in the right direction. We were seeing the results of an appropriate appointment given space to work. Stability was working.

It's just gone wrong last 6 months or so. All of a sudden Ole seems to have abandoned the common sense approach he brought and has gone all Mourinho. Signing players we don't need, signing players and not picking them, not really bothering with passing the ball. It's a shame.

It shouldn't put us off striving for some managerial stability though. That is the best way forward. Just has to be the right guy.