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Watched the second episode now and it was a lot better. I think the show really shines when it’s not focusing on Michael since she’s a pretty poor character and the actress is quite bad. Unfortunately that doesn’t happen often.
 

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It’s basically Star Trek: andromeda/firefly now. I don’t like how lazy the show is but I keep reminding myself this isn’t the Star Trek I like. I mean “the burn”... just lazy
 

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After rewatching TNG earlier in the year, I bought Voyager. Struggling with it. Haven't finished series one yet. Did anyone like Janeway and the crew?
Does it improve after the first series?
 

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After rewatching TNG earlier in the year, I bought Voyager. Struggling with it. Haven't finished series one yet. Did anyone like Janeway and the crew?
Does it improve after the first series?
It's uneven all the way, probably the worst of old Trek. It's also not very linear so you can skip a few eps to get to better ones. Gets a little better with the last episode of S3. Episodes that focus on the Doctor or Seven are good.

http://www.letswatchstartrek.com/voy-episode-guide/
https://ashfurrow.com/blog/star-trek-voyager-in-40-hours/
 

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Watched the second episode now and it was a lot better. I think the show really shines when it’s not focusing on Michael since she’s a pretty poor character and the actress is quite bad. Unfortunately that doesn’t happen often.
Agreed, episode two was a very good episode.
 

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Currently rewatching DS9 as I realise it's on Netflix. I remember it starting slow, but does anyone remember which season Sisko gets the goatee? Roughly coincides with it getting going as far as I remember. On S3 so far, some good episodes but lots of eastenders in space stuff.

Also, does anyone else loathe holodeck episodes? The entirety of human history to choose from, and centuries of fiction in between to explore yet they're all early 20th century crime related stuff. Never got that.
 

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I don't know what is worse. Michael as a character or Martin-Green's acting. Awful.
I'm not a fan either, she doesn't really seem to have a flaw does she?

It's also weird, that i'm watching a Star Trek show and the doctor doesn't annoy me. A very weird feeling. :lol:
 

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I'm not a fan either, she doesn't really seem to have a flaw does she?

It's also weird, that i'm watching a Star Trek show and the doctor doesn't annoy me. A very weird feeling. :lol:
Well, about doctors.
The Doctor is one of best characters in general for me. Bones was also great.
Bashir and Phlox were ok. This doc from discovery is meh.

Pulaski and Crusher were annoying as hell. I hate Crusher family.
 

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Currently rewatching DS9 as I realise it's on Netflix. I remember it starting slow, but does anyone remember which season Sisko gets the goatee? Roughly coincides with it getting going as far as I remember. On S3 so far, some good episodes but lots of eastenders in space stuff.

Also, does anyone else loathe holodeck episodes? The entirety of human history to choose from, and centuries of fiction in between to explore yet they're all early 20th century crime related stuff. Never got that.
If it's not 3 (which is what I thought) it's definitely the start of 4. Ya the holodeck is a total lack of imagination (similarly with so many people's interests being either shakespeare or something from the 50s and nothing else, and that's true of all the series). I liked the ds9 holodeck james bond parody episode though.

edit - this is funny but probably needs a content warning for every -ism, the holodeck stuff starts at 7:45.
e again - heard the clip, it's their least offensive clip ever.
 
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Discovery brought gender pronouns into its storyline this episode, with one character asking to be called 'they/them'.

I think the writers are deliberately triggering all the old-fashioned TNG fans who wish that Star Trek was still a nineties version of the future.
 

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Discovery brought gender pronouns into its storyline this episode, with one character asking to be called 'they/them'.

I think the writers are deliberately triggering all the old-fashioned TNG fans who wish that Star Trek was still a nineties version of the future.
Does this season still have the red headed chick who sounds like an up-talking Starbucks barista ?
 

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I'm not a huge fan of this season. For a jump centuries into the future I expected more.

I don't care about The Burn, have no interest in what caused it and find it funny that Discovery's people would be the ones to find the reason. You know, those who just arrived into a future far advanced from what they knew.
 

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I'm not a huge fan of this season. For a jump centuries into the future I expected more.

I don't care about The Burn, have no interest in what caused it and find it funny that Discovery's people would be the ones to find the reason. You know, those who just arrived into a future far advanced from what they knew.
It's because they've got the spore drive, which makes them the only ship in the galaxy capable of covering enough distance to put the pieces of the puzzle together.
 

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It's because they've got the spore drive, which makes them the only ship in the galaxy capable of covering enough distance to put the pieces of the puzzle together.
The fact that hundreds of years of advanced technology couldn't do that is kind of weird.
 

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The fact that hundreds of years of advanced technology couldn't do that is kind of weird.
Time does not equal advancement.

It's regressed technology, with a few dotted bits of advanced technology thrown into the mix. But without warp travel, there's no way to join those dots regardless of how much time has passed.

It's kind of like if the earth today lost the ability to use electricity. 900 years wouldn't necessarily be enough to bring us back to where we were.
 

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Discovery brought gender pronouns into its storyline this episode, with one character asking to be called 'they/them'.

I think the writers are deliberately triggering all the old-fashioned TNG fans who wish that Star Trek was still a nineties version of the future.
I think ST fans are more open minded about this ^
Star Wars fans less so.
 

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Time does not equal advancement.

It's regressed technology, with a few dotted bits of advanced technology thrown into the mix. But without warp travel, there's no way to join those dots regardless of how much time has passed.

It's kind of like if the earth today lost the ability to use electricity. 900 years wouldn't necessarily be enough to bring us back to where we were.
Wasn't it Michael who discovered this mini time-difference in the Burn before she even rejoined Discovery?
 

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Wasn't it Michael who discovered this mini time-difference in the Burn before she even rejoined Discovery?
She managed to buy a couple of black boxes from salvagers. Not enough to piece together anything. And certainly not enough without the SB19 data from Ni'Var.
 

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Discovery brought gender pronouns into its storyline this episode, with one character asking to be called 'they/them'.

I think the writers are deliberately triggering all the old-fashioned TNG fans who wish that Star Trek was still a nineties version of the future.

"The Outcast" (S05, E17) is the 117th episode of the American science fiction television series Star Trek: The Next Generation.
In this episode, Riker falls in love with Soren, a member of an androgynous race which finds gender specificity unacceptable.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Outcast_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)
 

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Reading Twitter and seeing people complain that the pronouns scene was too political for Star Trek. Galaxy brain levels of stupid.
 

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This was a reddit thread about new Trek (Picard) and its politics, which I liked

 
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I hate nutrek because it's so woke, I want to go back to apolitical stories like this one

 

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It is not the "wokeness" Star Trek as many have pointed out has always done political and social commentary. It is the mallet to the face levels of subtlety , and the jarringly self congratulatory preachiness that turns people off. Better writing and you can tell any story.

Picard was far worse than Discovery.
 

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Discovery brought gender pronouns into its storyline this episode, with one character asking to be called 'they/them'.

I think the writers are deliberately triggering all the old-fashioned TNG fans who wish that Star Trek was still a nineties version of the future.
Why, in this nineties version of the future, would equality and progressiveness, a foundation of this optimistic view of the future, not fit?
What wouldn't fit the nineties version of the future is shooty bang bang unresolved mystery roulette nonsense and Jean-Luc Picard turning into an emotional basket case lunatic pretending to be Han Solo if Han Solo lived in a Universe where things made even less sense than the average Star Wars movie.
 

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It is not the "wokeness" Star Trek as many have pointed out has always done political and social commentary. It is the mallet to the face levels of subtlety , and the jarringly self congratulatory preachiness that turns people off. Better writing and you can tell any story.

Picard was far worse than Discovery.
Blasphemy. You breached all directives with that statement.
 

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Would be great if someone could explain that guardian of forever geezer. Some kind of portal gate keeper of space and time dimensions? It was all kinds of confusing.