Television Star Wars: Obi-Wan Kenobi
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
He voiced him in Solo as well
Mixed feelings about Reva's arc. She definitely stepped it up in the last two episodes, but her motives to hunt Luke weren't really logical. They had to do it to fill out the finale, but could have given her more of a reason to.
So did you enjoy it? ...
I enjoyed it enough, but it was more in parts here and there. And only if I turn my brain off. If I don't turn my brain off, I see nothing but problems. Not the least of which is Kenobi and Leia meeting at all never mind going on an adventure together. It certainly makes Leia comforting Luke after Kenobi's death look really awkward.
Thought this had a nice ending, and was a decent show overall but the fight then conversation with Ben and Vader is clearly head and shoulders above the rest of it. You could just watch that and you wouldn’t be missing a lot.
I’d quite like to see a Vader/Palpatine show while McDiarmid is still young enough to play him. I think Obi-Wan is best left alone now. Either that or just feck the sequels off entirely and adapt the Thrawn trilogy seeing as they struggle to write something cohesive.
I’d quite like to see a Vader/Palpatine show while McDiarmid is still young enough to play him. I think Obi-Wan is best left alone now. Either that or just feck the sequels off entirely and adapt the Thrawn trilogy seeing as they struggle to write something cohesive.
It literally was called out in episode 5? When Ben asks her how she knew as it was such a secret, revealing she was a youngling and had planned the long game for revenge.
Didn't know that. Oh well, not the hardest role to recast I'd have thought.
Trick with this show was to go in with appropriate expectations.
As long as you realised they can only do so much plot-wise because it has to fit into ANH, and that certain characters will have iron-clad plot armour, and that it only really exists to deliver fan service, then it's fine. Even more so if you keep in mind how badly written the prequel films it's following on from were, so this series' writing seems fairly robust in comparison.
I mean sure the final fight ended with Obi-Wan leaving Vader alive for no good reason, but it at least didn't contain "from my POV the jedi are evil"/"I have the high ground" type nonsense dialogue. Swings and roundabouts.
As long as you realised they can only do so much plot-wise because it has to fit into ANH, and that certain characters will have iron-clad plot armour, and that it only really exists to deliver fan service, then it's fine. Even more so if you keep in mind how badly written the prequel films it's following on from were, so this series' writing seems fairly robust in comparison.
I mean sure the final fight ended with Obi-Wan leaving Vader alive for no good reason, but it at least didn't contain "from my POV the jedi are evil"/"I have the high ground" type nonsense dialogue. Swings and roundabouts.
Just finished it. Rubbish. I enjoyed man vs bee a lot more.
There was plenty of actual racism too though.
I just don't really get how you can have tension anywhere in this show. Big fancy duel between Vader and Obi-Wan and the outcome HAS to be they both survive. Ditto hunting Luke. Ditto hunting Leia.
There's no risk. It's why prequels suck.
There's no risk. It's why prequels suck.
So? If someone calls Rashford something racist on twitter, are ALL Man Utd fans racist? Putting the weight of the actions of individuals on to the whole is, whats the word Im looking for? Bigotry! You don't judge a black guy by the colour of skin, and you shouldn't be judging anyone else by the design on their t shirt.
The real racism all along was calling racist star wars fans racist
Nobody:
Still Nobody:
Norman: Reva reva reva reva rev...OMG STOP CALLING ME RACIST!
Still Nobody:
Norman: Reva reva reva reva rev...OMG STOP CALLING ME RACIST!
They should've killed obi wan and then a season 2 about how he had a twin brother.
There doesn't need to be risk, just good story telling.
Were you really expecting one of them to be killed?
Plus there doesn’t need to be a risk as long as the story is good.
Isn't it just to pay Vader back in kind by murdering his son?
Which would make sense - if Vader actually knew he had a son.
Maybe she intended to tell him after. I dunno.
But how did she manage to get the inside scoop is what is left unanswered
Yeah but she'd have felt great. The weirdo.
By noticing the kid called Skywalker on the home planet of Anakin staying with Vader's relations?
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Not all Stormtroopers are racist, but all racists are Stormtroopers.
Liked it. Only problem they introduced Darth Vador so fully and so soon. So while great in the short term for season 1, where does it go from here for season 2?
A second antagonist in season 2 will feel like a step down and also make people wonder what happened to Vador, but then Vador again and it just becomes repetitive.
I feel like the better thing for the longevity of the show, I know it’s not supposed to go too long. Would have made Vador a background threat in season 1, give him a bit of screen time near the end of season 2, and then make the 3rd and final season Obi Wan Vs Vador.
Edit: Vader.
A second antagonist in season 2 will feel like a step down and also make people wonder what happened to Vador, but then Vador again and it just becomes repetitive.
I feel like the better thing for the longevity of the show, I know it’s not supposed to go too long. Would have made Vador a background threat in season 1, give him a bit of screen time near the end of season 2, and then make the 3rd and final season Obi Wan Vs Vador.
Edit: Vader.
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Who is gonna be the guy?
What do you mean?
Ok it's me then. Who is Vador?
Ohhhh. Haha.Ok it's me then. Who is Vador?
Sorry to be a knob it was just a bit jarring no offence
It wasn't planned as a multi-season series - and may remain a limited one - so obviously they weren't going to leave things for the future.
They should leave it as one season. I agree that with vader having been used and the battle having been done, there is much where they can go with this
A Reva story / season is fine as a spin-off from this
A Reva story / season is fine as a spin-off from this
They've still got the Darth Maul revisit to come yet - no way will they ignore that if they plan further series.
Yeah. That’s probably the best way. Someone below you mentioned Darth Maul, but after Vader I don’t think he’ll have the same impact.
If only it was "nobody".
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...cism-sent-to-obi-wan-kenobi-star-moses-ingram
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1102...ingram-racist-messages-disney?t=1656772022677
https://www.nme.com/news/tv/obi-wan...ned-by-racist-attacks-on-moses-ingram-3246377
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/star-wars-fandom-racism
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/ewan-mcgregor-obi-wan-racism
https://www.indy100.com/tv/obi-wan-kenobi-review-bombed-racists
https://www.oregonlive.com/entertai...abuse-online-refuses-to-grin-and-bear-it.html
the fact is, people have been making dog shit for a while now. And when people see the product and call it out for being dog shit, they resort to racism, sexism and bigotry as a reason why these "overweight Middle aged white men who dwell in basements" have a problem with it. Star Wars, Star Trek, lord of the rings, the wheel of time, marvel, ghostbusters. And its always the same thing, the onslaught of online "news" sites pushing the idea that people are all fecking horrible racist, sexist homophobes who wear white robes and burn crosses. The funny thing of course, is that every fecking time they get found out for causing the issue in the first place. Sony was caught red handed deleting run of the mill YouTube comments but leaving up the nasty sexist and racist ones to make it look more like there was some big attack happening. Amazon deleted thousands of comments on its YouTube channel. I wonder why? Thankfully though, they had the go to move of putting influencers in a shitty looking castle to tell us all how wrong we were for thinking it looked shit.
Here's red letter medias take on it. See if you can spot anything at all familiar...
Its quite simple formula thats repeatedly followed.
1. Put something out there that people don't like or have a problem with some artistic choices.
2. Accuse said people of racism, sexism or homophobia.
3. Delete and/or ignore comments of valid criticism and only focus on the very small number of cnuts the post nasty shit.
4. Profit from changing the narrative from your artist choice, or online trolls.
Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the rings, Marvel, Ghostbusters, The last of us Part 2, etc etc etc etc. The same thing every single time because people didnt like artistic choices that were made. And that means that any time someone says that they don't like something, they get pushed into that nasty little group of people that say horrible shit. And then you get people like you, posting low effort troll posts hoping to get a bite. Well, I bit. Congrats, I guess. I look forward to your dismissive rows of green laughing faces because we all know that will really get my goat...
You can usually tell when criticism is legitimately about a show, or even an actors performance or when there’s other factors at play.
Example in the upcoming House of Dragon show, people complaining about there being Black Targaryens and how that is unrealistic….. it’s a show about dragons & magic but they draw the line at a fictitious group having black people?
I'm confused about why you're upset, you've just posted a bunch of links from sites talking about the racist messages Moses Ingram received, or about Ewan McGregor and his response to it. No one has called all star wars fans racist, so I'm unsure about why you are getting upset over the racists being called out?