Stewart Lee

[Member 39557]

My mum always said that if you want to avoid arguments, never discuss politics, religion or stewart lee

 

[Ludens the Red]

Carpet Remnant World was great, his "observational" bit and skipping had me in stitches. A bit harsh on Russell Kane though.

 

[Nearco]

Maybe he's the Rafa of comedy, with his ardent defenders & detractors.

I think more like the Radiohead of the comedy world. Fans of that band and Lee just can't understand how people don't get it.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Good article from Stew in the New Statesman at the moment re: the lack of right wing comedians...

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/04/where-are-all-right-wing-stand-ups

Caroline Raphael, BBC Radio 4’s commissioning editor for comedy, recently confessed to difficulty in finding unashamedly right-wing comedians to balance the left-wingers on her shows. I know about stand-up only, not about comedy in general, but in my experience there aren’t really any right-wing stand-up comedians who would fit Raphael’s brief. You can’t programme something that doesn’t exist.

There are wits and humorists on the right, of course. The print-media comedy of Jeremy Clarkson, Rod Liddle and Richard Littlejohn, for example, amuses thousands of people. Under analysis, their prose reveals the reliably effective structures of traditionally funny writing. A demonstrably true political observation is gradually exaggerated for comic effect until it becomes absurd and then a wry conclusion, usually more appropriate to the exaggerated version of the initial fact than the fact itself, is appended to the piece by literary sleight of hand.

There’s no denying that this approach can draw laughs, though usually laughs of painful and bitter resignation, from the readership. Indeed, Clarkson’s right-wing comedy integrity was cemented in 2011 when he was described as “one of the few things worth watching on the Burqa Broadcasting Corporation (BBC)” by the Norwegian neo-Nazi mass murderer Anders Behr*ing Breivik, a man not known for his sense of humour but whose right-wing credentials are unimpeachable. Yet where are all the bona fide right-wing stand-up comedians and could any of them fit the Radio 4 brief?

Roy “Chubby” Brown, a northern club comic with brilliant timing and the ability to tap in to his working-class audience’s prevailing fears, tours vast halls beneath the critical radar. Chubby’s fans imagine that the Marxist media cabal sees him as too “politically incorrect” for broadcast. The BBC, however, is publicly accountable in a way that the label that sells Chubby’s CDs in service stations is not. The punchlines and end points of jokes on BBC comedy shows can be ridiculous for comic effect but the set-ups must reflect real facts or the BBC would face consequences.

Thus, this crowd-pleasing Chubby gag could not be broadcast: “You can’t say anything about religion these days, can you? They say you can’t say ‘Protestant’, you can’t say ‘Muslim’, you can’t say ‘Jew’. Which is a shame, because I like to go in my news*agent on a Sunday morning and say, ‘Here’s a quid. Keep the change, you Paki bastard.’” The set-up is based on an erroneous assumption about religion and political correctness (you can say “Protestant”, “Muslim” and “Jew”) and has no etymological relationship to the discussion of racist language that the pay-off seems to be addressing, though the punchy brutality of Chubby’s performance swiftly and convin*cingly papers over the logical cracks.

Many Chubby jokes about supposedly controversial material proceed from similarly unsubstantiated tabloid myths. Even the most dogmatically leftist Jeremy Hardy jokes have at least some of the BBC’s required basis in news fact. Chubby does have a funny hat, though. Hardy doesn’t even have a hat.

Would any of our popular arena come*dians fit the right-wing stand-up bill? The Daily Mail inexplicably demonises Jimmy Carr and Frankie Boyle as “politically correct left-wingers”, yet to sensitive souls they appear callous, apolitical nihilists. Carr’s jokes about the disabled and his tax avoidance undermine the idea that he is politically correct. You can’t make sense of their acts politically, but imagine them (and their unseen writing teams) not as rounded characters with backstories but as arch saloon-bar wits, trying out a succession of controversial, sometimes contradictory positions for fun, and they become coherent. Carr flirted with the idea of being a liberal satirist on Channel 4’s Ten O’Clock Live, a former marketing man expanding his post-pub customer base into the Guardian green belt. Perhaps Carr might wear a right-wing hat for Radio 4 if the money was right, which it wouldn’t be, but Boyle is too likely to be bluntly anti-war or pro-Palestinian to help Radio 4 out of its Trotskyite ghetto.

Al Murray’s patriotic Pub Landlord, though a favourite on BNP internet discussion boards, is in reality a satire of the Little England mentality and so he would not help Radio 4’s right-wing quota. Jim Davidson is avowedly right-wing but seems to want the respect and friendship of trendy liberal comics while racially and homophobically abusing them on his blog, and is currently under investigation anyway, due to his links to the 1970s. I doubt his News Quiz seat is being kept warm. Henning Wehn and Liam Mullone occupy broadly libertarian positions and would please the right with their common-sense fiscal comments but confuse it with their views on individual freedom and use of irony.

In the Spectator, Liddle suggested the actor Alexander Armstrong as a right-wing alternative to Jeremy Hardy on Radio 4, presumably because he is a member of the Notting Hill set – but Armstrong hasn’t written any comedy this century and has never performed authored stand-up, being principally an amusing mouthpiece for other writers’ jokes and advertisers’ sales pitches. Is the best we can suggest in a search for a right-wing comedian just a celebrity whose friend’s sister is George “Pencils” Osborne’s wife?

Will anyone make up the right-wing stand-up comedian numbers? Since I started in the late 1980s, there have always been stand-ups who appear to be right-wing, but usually are upper-middle-class liberals who, realising that they can’t help their accents, have chosen to take on the role of a kind of out-of-touch, paternalistic Tory “posh boy”. The slit-eyed Simon Evans, whom you may have seen on a big TV stand-up showcase, is the funniest and the most committed of these, hating football fans, working-class women who dress like prostitutes and anyone who has more than two children. Particularly good over short distances, Evans nevertheless inhabits his stage persona so completely, convincingly and hilariously that I assume it must on some level overlap with his beliefs. Whether he is a real Tory or a pretend one, Radio 4 could do worse than make the unflinching Evans the official voice of the comedy opposition.

The stand-up Jerry Sadowitz’s apparent distaste for Islam, feminism and Nelson Mandela might appear to place him at the right end of the political spectrum and his language would keep him off Radio 4, but because Sadowitz is one of the most complete and perfect stand-ups in history, his exact political position is complicated. By accident or design, he appears to be socially, sexually, culturally, physically and economically at the bottom of the pile. This gives him licence to attack everything and everyone, like a drowning rat swimming desperately up the U-bend. And this tells us a lot about the essence of stand-up.

Stand-up comedians are not the same as wits and columnists and humorists. Strip away the showbiz and a pure stand-up is still a turn, a music-hall act. It’s clowning, and clowns are always tragic figures. Clowns’ comedy came from the inevitability of their defeat, from the gulf between what they want – whether it’s sex with their bored partner or a socialist utopia – and what they are going to get, which is nothing, nothing and a kick in the goolies. Interestingly, in the early years of the Pub Landlord, Murray alluded to how the publican’s reactionary beliefs had been compounded by domestic troubles in his past, lending him a comically effective low status that was inevitably compromised by the character’s subsequent huge popularity. Josie Long is one of the most determin*edly left-wing stand-ups working today, hated by armies of internet trolls. For me, what has improved her act even further lately is her creeping acknowledgement that the character she inhabits is involved in a self-mythologising, romantic and perhaps doomed struggle against capitalism, compromised by her frailties. In her solo show last summer, Long maintained that she’d missed the heroic chance to live the leftist legend and be arrested at a sit-in on an anti-Vodafone demo, having been distracted in Soho by a Thai buffet. Character and failure inform the theorising. And, love him or loathe him, Jeremy Hardy does not sound like a happy or powerful man. His corduroy candy mountain crumbled in the 1980s. He is destined to whinge into the dying of the light. That is his tragedy. That is his clown.

Ultimately, the left will lose. Big business will pollute the planet, capitalist culture will kill off the arts and humanities, schools will all be privatised, libraries will all close, social mobility will cease, the gulf between rich and poor will grow and everything beautiful will die. The left may note little human rights victories – gay marriage and the odd bit of better pay – but the machine is rolling inexorably forwards to crush it.

The African-American stand-up Chris Rock maintained that stand-up comedy should always be punching upwards. It’s a heroic little struggle. You can’t be a right-wing clown without some character caveat, some vulnerability, some obvious flaw. You’re on the right. You’ve already won. You have no tragedy. You’re punching down. You can be a right-wing comedy columnist, away from the public eye, a disembodied, authoritarian presence that doesn’t need to show doubt. Who could be on a stage, crowing about their victory and ridiculing those less fortunate than them without any sense of irony, shame or self-knowledge? That’s not a stand-up comedian. That’s just a cnut.

Love the phrase about Jim Davidson currently being investigated due to his "links to the 1970's"

 

[Badunk]

Great stuff.

 

[That'sHernandez]

Comedy Vehicle is on now. Good stuff as per.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Saw his show in London a few months back so I've probably seen half of this series already. They'll get better.

Nice to see Chris Morris back on TV too.

 

[Still ill]

A beautiful read. What a literate chap he is.

 

[Eriku]

Comedy Vehicle is on now. Good stuff as per.

Oh man oh man oh man... I was googling that last week, wondering whether there was a date set... did not expect it to be airing now... Only problem is; no torrent is up as of yet

And Chris Morris to be in it as well? 'scuse me while I change my boxers!!!

 

[JmRssll555]

I don't understand people saying that he's not funny or that they don't get him, he's absolutely class, in my opinion.

I love this episode of Comedy Vehicle.

 

[Redlambs]

Good to see this back, I haven't seen anything of him for a bit which makes you appreciate what he does more. I tend to tire a little of him if I overdo it.

 

[Stobzilla]

Such a good episode.

 

[17Larsson]

I don't understand people saying that he's not funny or that they don't get him, he's absolutely class, in my opinion.

I love this episode of Comedy Vehicle.

A half hour with Stewart Lee, Kevin Eldon and Michael Redmond (creater of the original 'man standing in the garden' joke that Lee talked about before) is definitely a half hour well spent

 

[CassiusClaymore]

That sketch at the end.

 

[Andrew~]

Just watched the new series and he's fantastic as always.

 

[Ubik]

Still amazing, the "in what you might call a logical, sensitive and pragmatic approach to cultural diversity...gone mad" line was excellent

 

[Mockney]

Little underwhelmed so far. I've seen the stand up though so that could be diminishing the funny. The Chris Morris bits are far and away the best of it at the minute. He's even better than Iannucci because he just exudes authority and pure comedy gravitas. The sketches are great too tbf.

 

[Ubik]

I think I preferred Iannucci's myself, Lee's facial reactions were always brilliant with him.

 

[DOTA]

Love the first two series but haven't enjoyed this one, so far.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

Thought this week's episode was very funny.

 

[Scrumpet]

I enjoy it every week until he gets to the part where he drags out some non-joke for a full 10 minutes.

 

[marukomu]

Love the Hawkwind - Assault and Battery at the end of the latest episode. I heard he's a bit of a fan.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Was funny watching Morris corpse over the "Tiny swordfish in George Clooneys blood vessel?" line.

 

[DOTA]

Loved pretty much every minute of the last one.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

That was my favourite so far.

Anyone worked out what his dad's 8 word sentence was yet? I've got a fairly good idea.

 

[That'sHernandez]

Yeah, I liked that. I haven't thought on the sentence but my assumption was it contained the bits about the wives.

 

[Silva]

Apart from a slightly lackluster first episode, this was very good.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Thought it was pretty wank this week.

I showed someone 90's Comedian the other night and then started pissing myself before the pillow over their faces line. The way he sets that up is just perfect.

 

[Andrew~]

This week's was hilarious, by far the best for a lot of reasons.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Hogwarts Bukkake.

 

[Silva]

3 and 4 were my favorites.

I was expecting the end of credits sketch to be Lee on a throne as Dixon crawls on dirt.

 

[Berbaclass]

I love this skit...

 

[Silva]

Comedy Vehicle back tonight

 

[Stobzilla]

^ Came in to post that, you haven't just got done reading his interview in "The Quietus" have you @Silva

 

[Silva]

^ Came in to post that, you haven't just got done reading his interview in "The Quietus" have you @Silva

One of my friends text me the news, reading it now though

 

[Silva]

feck me that was a long interview.

 

[Badunk]

He's the best there is. Roll on 10 o' clock!

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Ooh. Forgot about this. Nice reminder.

 

[Stobzilla]

He is on another level.

 

[Silva]

Good stuff