We have repeatedly elected a right bunch of tossers at the federal level. Amazingly the state governments have been going quite well.
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Now a picture of the night has been released with faces blanked out. More details have emerged of the accusation. She got very drunk, threw up and went unconcious. When she woke he was raping her.
https://www.news.com.au/national/po...t/news-story/b4cec5893213beea0d67967075284bbf
https://www.news.com.au/national/po...t/news-story/b4cec5893213beea0d67967075284bbf
Such as Scott Morrison who went to Hawaii when Oz burned?
Yes. he also went on holiday this year as well and left his idiot deputy to tell us that all lives matter.
It worked for him tbf. Just let the states deal with all issues, if they succeed take credits, if they don’t blame them. Meanwhile NewsCorp will make sure the rubes blame Labour for #socialism and give him a blank cheque.
I though I hated Abbott as Pm but I'm beginning to think #scottyfromarketing is worse. And that is before I start think about the wisdom of having someone is charge who is part of a Christian apocalyptic cult that genuinely believes in speaking in tongues and not only thinks that the end of days with the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse riding dramatically out of the clouds will happen but also thinks it is a desirable thing.
Imagine if it wasn't a Christian cult?
The minister will go public but not step down tomorrow apparently. I suspect it is one of 3 possibilities and likely 50/50 between 2 of them. I guess we will see.
My original best guess is now a distant third.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...dmissible-evidence?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
My original best guess is now a distant third.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...dmissible-evidence?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Christian Porter who is the Attorney General. Denies it and says nothing ever happened, not even a consensual sexual relationship. Taking a leave of abscence but not stepping down. And so far no independent inquiry. #Scottyfrommarketing is pushing the "Its a police matter" line knowing full well the police don't have a statement from the dead woman so can't possibly prosecute or even justify further investigation. They are aslo pushing "he isn't going to resign" which exactly nobody has called for. What most want is him to stand down while an independent investigation is conducted. This is the only way he has any chance of getting out from under this cloud and nobody seems to want to throw him under the bus. At the same time the Libs are taking a big hit with female voters in particular.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-03/christian-porter-denies-historical-rape-allegation/13206972
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-03/christian-porter-denies-historical-rape-allegation/13206972
And this weeks's Tone Deaf Award goes to the head of the Australia Defense Force who advised female soldiers not to go out when attractive to avoid sexual assault. Kinell.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ne-while-attractive-to-avoid-sexual-predators
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ne-while-attractive-to-avoid-sexual-predators
The bus is now being revved and I think the Defense Minister is abut to be thrown under it after she told her staff Brittany Higgins was a lying cow despite publicly saying she supported her.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ports-she-called-brittany-higgins-a-lying-cow
And the pressure is mounting for an independent inquiry into the historic rape allegations against Christian Porter. The guy is a world class dick and know for being a sexist/misogynist so he won't want an independent inquiry for that reason alone but unless there is one and he is cleared he will be a rapist in most people's eyes and his career is over anyway.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11...hristian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ports-she-called-brittany-higgins-a-lying-cow
And the pressure is mounting for an independent inquiry into the historic rape allegations against Christian Porter. The guy is a world class dick and know for being a sexist/misogynist so he won't want an independent inquiry for that reason alone but unless there is one and he is cleared he will be a rapist in most people's eyes and his career is over anyway.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11...hristian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910
The Harry and Megan interview has kick-started the republic debate again in Australia. Not sure how much traction it will get.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...08a73fb52388f0#block-60468b388f08a73fb52388f0
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...08a73fb52388f0#block-60468b388f08a73fb52388f0
The various rape and sexual assault issues are still swirling with the government trying to avoid and inquiry in the Porter rape allegation case on the grounds that it is a matter for the police knowing full well a dead complainant who hadn't made a formal statement to the police at the time of her death makes a prosecution impossible. However, as a senior minister and the Attorney General it must be in everyone's best interests for there to be an independent inquiry because we need to know if he is fit to hold the role and it is also the only way he will be able to clear his name. without an inquiry this will hang over him forever.
#scottyfrommarketing will take off if he spins any harder.
He claims neither to have read the accusations against the highest law officer in the country nor sought legal advice from the the government’s most senior independent lawyer before dismissing the possibility of an inquiry because to do so would be "eroding the very principles of the rule of law in this country.". A statement that every independent legal expert has said is incorrect.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ce-before-ruling-out-christian-porter-inquiry
He claims neither to have read the accusations against the highest law officer in the country nor sought legal advice from the the government’s most senior independent lawyer before dismissing the possibility of an inquiry because to do so would be "eroding the very principles of the rule of law in this country.". A statement that every independent legal expert has said is incorrect.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ce-before-ruling-out-christian-porter-inquiry
Got to love all these people that make decisions that help their party despite claiming they have never read the accusation/document...
So if that hold how bad for the Libs? Close to wipeout I'd guess?
Another good reason to move there.
It is pathetic at the best of times but playing this sort of seedy politics with sexual assault and rape is disgusting.
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Libs could end up with 4 seats in the 59 seat assembly making the nationals the official opposition party.
I'm hoping for fewer
This could ramp things up
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...tions-of-discussions-with-porter-about-claims
The government is in a bit of turmoil over this even if #scottyfrommarketing thinks he can spin out of it
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...g-alleged-victim-brittany-higgins-a-lying-cow
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The popularity of Mark McGowan
@Wibble The election has been called. ALP won in 41 minutes.
I saw. Likely results are apparently
Labor 53/54
Nats 3/4
Libs 2
Lib wipeout and no longer even the opposition party. Wow.
Out of curiosity, where are those parties on the political spectrum? Libs centre-right, labor centre-left, nats ... ?
Liberals = Right (Current leader was centre right but the candidates were religious right in numerous seats, big issue in the campaign how nutty the candidate were)
Nationals = Right (Conservative rural party)
Labor = Marginal Centre left
Greens = Centre-left
Ah ok, thanks. You have some kind of proportional system in Australia, right? Is that also on the state level? Basically, I'm wondering if this seat division really reflects the state. Also, are the Greens winning seats anywhere in the country?
Sorry for all the questions.
So the Legislative Assembly is essentially preferential "Indicative Two Candidate Preferred" system. However as noted below, the Legislative Council vote is actually weighted to rural communities via a quota. Thus the Labor victory last night in the Assembly is not entirely recreated in the Council. If Labor wins a slight majority in the Council, they are going to reform the LC voting system.
In regards to the Greens, i do not know their tallies state-by-state off the top of my head, however their main power comes in the Federal Senate. They are a very minor party across the country even though they get "ok" primary votes. They are spread too thin to consolidate enough seats in the House of Reps.
Our election guru on how bad the WA Legislative Council voting system is:
https://www.elections.wa.gov.au/vote/voting-systems-wa
Thanks for indulging me! That helps.
I am not sure I understand the ticketed system entirely, but anyway. I do think preferential ballot voting is horrible. I mean, it's definitely a big level above our single-vote winner-takes-all system here in Canada, which scores somewhere near the very bottom of the democratic continuum; but preferential ballot isn't proportional, still often doesn't let your vote go to your preferred party, and still let's your vote get lost if any of your top candidates don't win. Good to see they're looking into changing this.
High risk strategy by Christian Porter, no doubt at the urging of #scottyfrommarketing who is desperate to avoid an independent investigation. They are gambling that they could win a defamation action more easily than be exonerated by an independent inquiry.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...0860686c6f9f9e#block-604e9f418f0860686c6f9f9e
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...0860686c6f9f9e#block-604e9f418f0860686c6f9f9e
That will make it go away...
Out of interest why is he targeting only the ABC. I'm assuming they raised the allegations originally, but didn't he name himself? They just said a member of cabinet or something.
The ABC probably did the best reporting on it. the Libs hate them and you can get done for defamation even if you don't name someone apparently. I think the idea is so that you can't avoid being sued simply by avoiding using a name e.g. My 9 year old son goes to St Snitches and his teacher is a kiddy fiddler - so close to naming the person they might as well have. They are using the argument that naming him as a senior member of cabinet effectively identified who he was but I've no idea if that will hold water in this case but defamation law does tend to favour the rich and famous. It might be a stretch as I had no clue and guessed wrong and I was following it pretty closely. They then have to prove defamation. If the ABC were just reporting the accusation then I imagine they only have to prove that the accusation was made. But the again WTF do I know as I'm not a lawyer?That will make it go away...
Out of interest why is he targeting only the ABC. I'm assuming they raised the allegations originally, but didn't he name himself? They just said a member of cabinet or something.
I am and to prove defamation is a long bow especially if the person was not identified. There really needs to be clear link between the article and Porter.
This is merely a smoke screen.
I read everything and Porter wasn't on my radar until he outed himself. Adelaide and Sydney were the only places mentioned so a minister from WA wasn't an obvious leap.
And I tend to agree about the smoke screen bit. Stretch it out, avoid an independent inquiry and hope everyone forgets about it when the next drama arrives.
Also is it defamatory to report that an accusation was made if indeed that exact accusation was made?
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The whole deporting criminals back to NZ thing is in many ways complicated and keeping national pride out of the influencing of opinions is something to consider but the longer this goes on and the deeper I look at it the more disgusted I become with the Australian Govt. This is a festering sore thats slowly going to get worse and its slowly going to degrade trans Tasman relations.
Especially with Peter Dutton describing it as taking out the trash.
Fair enough when it is some recent migrant on a crime spree but when they are deporting minors and people who have been here since they were little kids it doesn't seem ethical. Jointly agreed standards would seem to be the sensible thing to do but I give #scottyfrommarketing selling to the lowest common denominator and Peter Dutton who loves deporting people less white than him.
I am under the impression this is more a Political thing rather than an attitude from the Australian public. There is no problem deporting relatively recent immigrants to Aussie back to NZ but some of those who arrived as babies or children and then getting sent back here for non violent or major crimes is awful. I suspect its probably something thats not a big issue for Australians and is probably flying largely under the radar.
It is but the Libs/Nats love appealing to a part of their base who dislike foreign/non-white people.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03...erals-reduced-to-two-in-lower-house/100016418
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All seats now called: 59 seats in the Assembly
WA Labor: 53 Seats
WA Liberals: 2 Seats
WA Nationals: 4 Seats
@Wibble @Cheimoon
All seats now called: 59 seats in the Assembly
WA Labor: 53 Seats
WA Liberals: 2 Seats
WA Nationals: 4 Seats