Boniface looked a proper player last season, a real hadnful. Not sure how he has fared this campaign but he's a v good player.
Btw..whatever happened to the young lad at Brighton?
Striker Poll - Who should we buy ?
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Btw..whatever happened to the young lad at Brighton?
Gyokeres will probably be expecting at least double the wage as well though, so that'd add another 6-7m a year onto his cost.
Perhaps I shouldn't have used #10 as an example as I'm fairly confident we'll be signing one either way, it might be more a CM, CB or RWB that we're sacrificing.
Given that our current options are all young and inconsistent, we're in dire need of an experienced and consistent no.9 so who's our no.1 target?
Yet another young and unproven striker
Yet another young and unproven striker
Given he's on £39k now, that shouldn't be a problem. We could easily pay 5x that amount.
In my opinion we need a big solid target man, someone who can hold the ball up and is also strong in the air. Mateta is Premier League proven and he's also been playing in the same system at Palace.
We shouldn't be paying a single new signing 200k a week!
What have they done for Manchester United to justify that sort of wage here?
When you do things like that, that's how you end up with the likes of Mainoo demanding 180k a week!
Any new signings this summer should be capped at 100k a week. If they prove themselves in their first season then we can discuss a raise next summer.
It offers absolutely no incentive to put a player on a massive wage before they've even kicked a ball here!
Also if they completely flop in their first season it makes them much harder to get rid of and you are stuck with a dead weight for the rest of their contract!
It's almost like the last ten years have taught us nothing!
We're not really going to be competing with what he's on now though. We're going to be competing with the other clubs that will almost certainly be after him as well. Given this will be his first and possibly last contract where he will be able to demand big bucks, he's going to want to maximise it.
I was going with 125k a week for most of the younger strikers and 250k a week for Gyokeres when I said 'double the wage', but it could end up being closer to triple as I probably overstated how much the younger ones would get.
Sorry, but that's not how it works. Accomplished players who score a goal a game are going to garner high wages where ever they land, and clubs with any degree of ambition to win trophies don't base their transfer strategies around scarcity mindsets. That's a recipe for continued mediocrity.
That's a genius approach to lure proven top players here. "What have you done for Manchester United to justify that sort of wage?!" - "Err.."
In terms of Gyokeres going to a club like Arsenal - Havertz, Jesus, Rice, Odegaard, and Partay are all on 200k or above (with Havertz the highest at 280k), so that is probably the range they would be looking at Gyokeres for - somewhere in the mid 200s, which would be a massive pay rise for him from 39 to something like 250.
No it isn't!!
Let's take a look at the current league leaders and almost certain champions.
Pretty much every single player they have signed has started on a relatively low wage, then been rewarded AFTER they have performed at the club! Not before AFTER!
How did us paying Sancho £300k+ per week work out? Or Mount on £250k or Casemiro on 350k?
See above.
The whole point is, we aren't going to be targeting proven top players, because not only can we not afford them, but they won't want to come here.
We need to be targeting good players around the 22-25 age mark that are hungry to succeed and go up to the next level with us.
If players don't want to buy in to that, then they are the wrong type of player for where we are right now.
No one suggested overpaying for players such as we did with Sancho or Alexis Sanchez. That era of ridiculous excess is obviously over.
Liverpool isn't a good comparison since they had the benefit of building their squad iteratively over the past decade. We are not in that position and don't have the luxury of waiting many years to make the CL. We need high quality players immediately.
As for Gyokeres, its strictly a supply and demand issue where market forces dictate how much he will make. If big clubs want him, then he will make what they are willing to pay, which given his goal a game record in Portugal this year, will be a hell of a lot. Ultimately, with rare exception, you get what you pay for.
Also has to do with the uncertainty of how our season will end IMO. If we win the Europa league, then I think someone like Gyokeres or Osimhen is far more likely. Without it, I think we go down the Delap route. Could be a summer where we get Osimhen/Gyokeres and Cunha in with Garnacho leaving if we get CL football, while without it we just get Delap in and maybe just someone like Trincao as a 10.
We are in that position though!
Sir Jim has said that our strategy over the next three years is based on a budget of qualifying for the Europa League. So we don't need high quality players immediately. We need good players that have scope for improvement.
Liverpool is a good comparison because they were in a similar position to us when Klopp took them over. They needed a whole new squad of players, I think only Henderson and Milner became first team regular's for him and everybody else had to be replaced. This is where we are now, only a handful of our players have a future here, so it's not something that can be fixed in one transfer window.
Some people seem to think that signing Gyokeres or Osimhen will change everything, but neither is proven in the Premier League. It was only two years ago that Gyokeres was playing in the Championship for Coventry!
You say Ultimately, with rare exception, you get what you pay for, so give me some examples of players we have signed in recent years that we have signed for a big fee/wages that have worked that prove your point.
I will be very surprised if we sign anyone except Gyokeres/Osimhen. From everything what we know, what we saw and what Amorim said we will go for one of them.
Classic and proven poacher.
Classic and proven poacher.
It's not as simple as that. We can go for one of them all we like. Zero guarantee that we'd win the race.
We would be in the race for both given the Amorim-Gyokeres connection (never underestimate the power of pre-existing human relationships when considering transfers). The Osimhen connection would be strengthened by Conte's alleged interest in Garnacho. Other clubs, despite having CL football (which technically we could have as well), don't have either of the aforementioned going for them.
I'm sure we would like to sign one of them. However, we aren't exactly favourites for either. I'd be surprised if we signed one of them.
Great buy for a mid table team such as ourselves.
Great post!
Would like to have ticked 2 choices David on a free + another
What would be the opinion on therotically signing a veteran experienced striker for a single season to help our young strikers develop? So experienced veteran on a free+ another striker.
Thomas Muller is leaving Bayern on a free. Not many better with movement and being in the right place at the right time.
He wants to become a coach at Bayern eventually. Get him in as a player/coach.
Thomas Muller is leaving Bayern on a free. Not many better with movement and being in the right place at the right time.
He wants to become a coach at Bayern eventually. Get him in as a player/coach.
Guessing Lautaro Martinez is out of the question.
Remember when spurs nearly signed him
by the sounds of it us, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are all looking for a striker.
seemingly Gyo, Sesko, Delap and Osi are all available too.
will be interesting what combination of club and player it all ends up, and whether they all come to the PL in the first place.
seemingly Gyo, Sesko, Delap and Osi are all available too.
will be interesting what combination of club and player it all ends up, and whether they all come to the PL in the first place.
Barca likely too, PSG maybe and possibly long shot but Bayern losing Muller and Kane getting older they need a succession
He would be an excellent buy for us, but he can't even make it on the poll!
As a player, I believe most would consider the following factors, in order of importance:
1. Salary and contract length
2. League and league position
3. CL and Europe
4. Team prestige
5. Coach/manager and playing style
6. Commercial payments (endorsements)
7. Location (weather but also taxes and lifestyle)
We can be competitive in 1, 4, 5 and 6.
Side note, wish there was a way to do ranked choice voting. It would be interesting to see who the “compromise” candidates are…
Aren’t Inter still having financial problems?
I’d have Gyokeres over him too, but if we don’t have the cash or he won’t come then it’s a moot point
We go after David on a free and put all our money on a number 10.
I’d take David on a free. I don’t think we’ll be making any marquee signings though, it’ll be 3 or 4 dorgu level signings I imagine, and Delap fits the bill at that price.
If as reported Osimhen is available for £55 million then bringing both Osimhen and Delap in whilst moving Hojlund, Rashford, Antony, Sancho and maybe even Zirkzee all on makes a lot of sense as I think Delap whilst not being good enough right now to be a starter shows more natural instinct and movement for a PL striker than Hojlund does.
There are 5 or 6 serious striking options out there and at least a dozen clubs interested and that is only if we are counting PL clubs. We will be doing well to sign one of the names under discussion, there is no realistic scenario in which we end up with two. We need to pick one and push all of our chips into the middle of the table in hopes of persuading them.
For £30m it's a great deal. If we can move on Hojlund and bring in another, more experienced option (David would suit on reasonable wages) - that'd be great.
If not, perhaps Amorim can work with Hojlund over preseason and get some sort of function out of him.
If not, perhaps Amorim can work with Hojlund over preseason and get some sort of function out of him.
I think the problem with Osimhen is less the price and more competition. Plus, he wants mega wages. Not sure anyone in Europe will give him those though
Gyökeres. I bet he is willing to play under Amorim again and would be available for around 50-60mil. We need a striker with experience no shot we should again gamble on a young striker like we did on Rasmus.
I actually think signing him could help Hojlund, as he can play wider in the channels with his pace. Hojlund clearly doesn't have the hold up play to be a target man, but he is a good finisher and rapid.
We may be being clever here and of course missing out on Quenda might have shifted the goalposts somewhat but the media have fairly consistently linked Gyokeres to other clubs and briefed that we are not all that interested. Might be a smokescreen, but taken together with the comments from SJR about our approach to transfers and the obvious need to recruit for multiple positions, I think it is far more likely that we are going to prioritize a cheaper deal like Delap.
You think Hojlund is a good finisher ?