No way, a massive backward step, we are supposed to be signing players that will bring us closer to Liverpool & City not sign Everton flops & make us worse than ever.
Striker Poll - Who should we buy ?
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No way, a massive backward step, we are supposed to be signing players that will bring us closer to Liverpool & City not sign Everton flops & make us worse than ever.
Put in context he was a raw 19 year old moving to another country and joining a poor Everton team. Moise Kean today is a far superior player to who he was then, scored over 20 goals for Fiorentina this season and is starting games for Italy and scoring as he did memorably against Germany in the last international break. I would take him over Delap considering he is 25, entering his prime, physically and technically the better player and has a 40M Euro release clause.
It does not really matter though, the source is worthless and I doubt we have real interest. Kean would be an upgrade for sure but until someone at least vaguely reliable reports our interest I am not going to get excited.
He's having a good season but the one before was so badly injury hit that he only played 654 minutes across 20 appearances and didn't score a single goal.
I think leaving him be for now would be best.
I think leaving him be for now would be best.
Why is thet wage a problem? It should not be when you get a player at his caliber that can improve your team from day one. You’re getting one of the top 5 CFs in the market.
There is much more value in having one world class player that is proven and experienced than two players like Hojlund, and Zirkzee or similar level that you pay minimum 150k for each but they don’t really improve your team… it would be like not wanting Bruno because he is cheap but instead go for 1-2 average players because they are cheaper
Gyokeres is my top choice, with Sesko second and Delap if we absolutely can't get either of them.
Osimhen is a pure goal scorer and not what we need and I don't think the likes of Mateta are in the same league as the three above. In fact, I'd take Thuram over Osimhen, Mateta and the rest.
Osimhen is a pure goal scorer and not what we need and I don't think the likes of Mateta are in the same league as the three above. In fact, I'd take Thuram over Osimhen, Mateta and the rest.
Gyökeres has my vote even though I’m not completely sold on him. The other big money options are too risky even though I like Ekitiké. We are in no position to wait though. We need to bring in a more experienced goal scorer this summer who can play as a focal point.
The more I think about it the more I like David as a signing. Good age, experience and the physicality we need. Can run the channels, hold the ball up and link play. Great engine in the pressing game as well. He’s not prolific but he would be a significant improvement IMO.
Should be looking to sign David as another striker option
We can't afford to buy young players with potential for this role. We need someone established. We have been atrociously short in this department for a long while now.
Agree, very important we buy someone that is a finished product. Our experiment with Hojlund backfired badly for us, and him.
And if he doesn’t work out (nothing guaranteed) then we’re stuck with a player on 300k per week that we can’t shift because of his salary
Other than being free I dont understand the love for David
The lad from Porto.
Hulk?
There's definitely a player in Moise Kean somewhere, but I'm not sure how you actually get it out.
Samu wouldn’t fit in your team at all.
He is very limited technically and inexperienced.
Maybe in a few years but if Lukaku didn’t work I’m not sure Samu will.
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Prime Hulk would be a great choice but he is in Brazil now, near retirement.
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Krzysztof Piątek? 
Some mods are really creative
Get Thomas Muller on a free, allocate your budget to other areas and be done with it.
Some mods are really creative Get Thomas Muller on a free, allocate your budget to other areas and be done with it.
Second best goalscorer in the Turkish league behind Osimhen (in a much better team), he scored 40% of his teams goals this year.Krzysztof Piątek?
Get Thomas Muller on a free, allocate your budget to other areas and be done with it.
But I voted for him only being half-serious. Though if he could go on a run as good as he did with Genoa once...
If you think that Viktor Gyokeres is not very good, you must be blind to the skills of a centre forward.
The argument that some raise is that the Portuguese league is not at the level of some of the other European leagues. Fair point but 67 league goals in 64 games is not to be ignored. Add his 6 goals in 8 CL games and 15 international goals for Sweden in 26 games and you can see why his threat in front of goal is considerable.
If you actually watch him, he displays all of the necessary traits one would look for in a goalscoring centre forward, i.e. anticipation, movement, strength, balance, pace, finishing, work rate etc. He trains like few others and is regarded as an extremely hardworking professional by those around him and those who know him best. Which patently includes Ruben Amorim.
He is a fine player at or approaching his peak. Exactly what United need above all else when it comes to the first team squad.
Osimhen should be on this list. Rumours about Gyokeres are in the same stage as Osimhen's but he is still on the list. And, unlike Gyokeres, rumours are that we did have some talks with Osimhen's camp.
In matter of fact, lets be real; those two would be two top picks for most of people. Lets kick out all other options and do head to head.
In matter of fact, lets be real; those two would be two top picks for most of people. Lets kick out all other options and do head to head.
He might well be if he didn't want mental wagesOsimhen should be on this list. Rumours about Gyokeres are in the same stage as Osimhen's but he is still on the list. And, unlike Gyokeres, rumours are that we did have some talks with Osimhen's camp.
In matter of fact, lets be real; those two would be two top picks for most of people. Lets kick out all other options and do head to head.
Whitwell said recently that originally when he spoke to sources at the club about Osimhen, they weren't ruling him out but then in recent months it's been a firm no. So it seems like they looked at him and it's not happening. Gyokeres is different, he's genuinely possible if we get CL football.Osimhen should be on this list. Rumours about Gyokeres are in the same stage as Osimhen's but he is still on the list. And, unlike Gyokeres, rumours are that we did have some talks with Osimhen's camp.
In matter of fact, lets be real; those two would be two top picks for most of people. Lets kick out all other options and do head to head.
What striker wants to come here when they've seen the scraps they'll have to live on?????
Most of the best strikers in the world are perfectly capable of creating their own opportunities and living off scraps at times. Take RVP, Cavani and Ibrahimovic, probably our last three proper strikers. A lot of their goals were self created.
Exactly that 300-600k a week. Maybe in Saudi but not from Utd, we don't do stupid things like that anymore (well we can't afford to).
I will be very interested to see who goes in for gyokeres and who passes on him. Arsenal desperately need a top quality striker, so will be interesting to see who they go for.
There's a risk with strikers from Portuguese league ala Darwin Nunez, Mario Jardel etc.
Fair point but if you listen to strikers talk they are obsessed with scoring and will always want to be in a situation that gives them the best chance of boosting their tally. Give a top striker the choice between us and Liverpool or Arsenal and they are going to believe they can get more goals at those teams because of the amount of chances they create in their current versions. We need either a clear run at someone or we are probably going to have to overpay to sway them to come to us which is a mistake we have made too often, it is why we may end up with a second or third choice option this summer until we can get the whole team into a better state.
Would you accept Delap IF we signed Cunha and someone like Mbeumo or Eze which I know is unlikely
I would, if we can get a couple of good creators behind the striker I feel we can live with someone who might be more of a bridge player and we go big in the striker market in another year or two when we are hopefully just a striker away from a title winning side.
Yeah I feel exactly the same
Why are you making a big deal out of the payment terms? That's how most transfers are structured these days. If Liverpool/Arsenal add one of Gyokeres or Osimhen, it's very likely they'll pay for that transfer over several years too. I'm not sure why you think that's anything unique to United.
I think we have to keep in mind what Ratcliffe has said in more than one interview. Using Mbappe as a example, "We don't want to buy Mbappe, we want to develop the next Mbappe".
I think that ethos is what we are starting to see with an odd exception or two i.e. Cunha.
INEOS, are looking at this as a longer term let's build a squad who are the right age profile and who will develop together and hopefully we will be successful in that cycle with winning trophies.
Look at the average age of the PSG team, who are the best team in Europe this season; 23.6. That's really young. We are at 26.1
Osiheim and Goykoeres are both 26. They are going into their peak years now 26-29, so they should be targeting clubs who are there or there abouts for CL, or a serious title contender.
That's not us, we won't be challenging for the title next season or maybe season after that either. It's gonna take time. So you buy the players of the appropriate age ala Delap 22, and build towards challenging in 2-3 years time.
This is where it pays off to have DoF suh as Luis Campos (PSG) who have the vision and the eye for talent to make this a reality.
It makes sense to me why alledegly Delap is our no1 target for striker.
I think that ethos is what we are starting to see with an odd exception or two i.e. Cunha.
INEOS, are looking at this as a longer term let's build a squad who are the right age profile and who will develop together and hopefully we will be successful in that cycle with winning trophies.
Look at the average age of the PSG team, who are the best team in Europe this season; 23.6. That's really young. We are at 26.1
Osiheim and Goykoeres are both 26. They are going into their peak years now 26-29, so they should be targeting clubs who are there or there abouts for CL, or a serious title contender.
That's not us, we won't be challenging for the title next season or maybe season after that either. It's gonna take time. So you buy the players of the appropriate age ala Delap 22, and build towards challenging in 2-3 years time.
This is where it pays off to have DoF suh as Luis Campos (PSG) who have the vision and the eye for talent to make this a reality.
It makes sense to me why alledegly Delap is our no1 target for striker.
I don't think Delap has the talent to develop into a player who make us challenge for titles. If that was our strategy, we'd go after someone like Ekitike or Sesko. That being said, Delap seems like a decent backup striker if we also get a top CF and loan/sell Hojlund.
I’m not, I don’t and I’m well aware of that but I’m under the impression you can only activate a players release clause if you pay in full, unless you pay more than the clause and both clubs agree for it to be spread over a longer period
I posted this a fair while ago and my point was that the spread lower fee for Delap would be more favourable to paying say Gyokeres’s release clause in full, which I didn’t perceive we could afford at the time ( and maybe still can’t).
My understanding is that nobody will be paying Gyokeres release clause in full as it is 100M. Sporting are meant to have indicated they would take less, with a figure of around 65M mentioned, but that is not in writing anywhere and they would not be the first club to renege on an agreement if they see the chance to make more. He is a very strange case in that you don't know if he is the guy who took several years to emerge as a competent striker in the Championship or is he the guy who has terrorized the Premiera League for the last two seasons? I think you can make a case for a bidding war between top clubs but equally it would not surprise me if a lot of the interest is agent talk and when the window opens he has quite limited options.
Yeah, you're right that the release clause stipulates payment in full. But the thing is both players will likely still have their transfers paid over several years (as will Cunha btw). As you said, you just pay a bit more (usually a pretty nominal amount) and generally the selling club agrees, because it's rare for any club to have £70M in cash sitting for a transfer.
Delap is not really any more likely than Osimhen/Gyokeres/Cunha to have stretched transfer payments. In fact, since he'll be considerably cheaper, I'd guess it's more likely he'd be the one paid in full.
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He's had 1 good season, he was still useless last year. Ypu can't buy players who've had 1 good season, it's how you end up with crap. Michael Ricketts had 1 brilliant year in the premier league, you'd have fans now wanting to sign him
Who's this guy Retegui then? Top scorer in Italy.
How is that not what we need when we indeed are lacking in consistent goal scorers period...
Thuram over Osimhen is also a joke
He wouldn't have Lautaro Martinez to play off here
How is that not what we need when we indeed are lacking in goal scorers...
Thuram over Osimhen is also a joke
He wouldn't have Lautaro Martinez to play off here
What use is a goal scorer in a team where the players can't pass or cross well? What exactly will Osimhen do while Garnacho is cutting inside for his 5th skied shot of the match? Or when someone has to drop deep because nobody can pass anything through the middle for an entire game?
He doesn't have that in his locker. He can't create for himself, which is the exact problem we currently have. Osimhen would be great at Arsenal or Liverpool, but would be nowhere near as good as Sesko or Gyokeres here.