How much have we got to spend? Has it been announced?
Summer Transfer Window
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agree and hopefully with some of them being sold so we can increase our transfer budget
If we had 400m to spend then that would be great
When has any club ever announced that?
On fm
It gets leaked to the press. All right, how much money do the papers say we have to spend?
Have those "leaks" ever been accurate? Last year it got leaked that we'd have 100 millions to spent...
Dunno, probably not, but it's all we've got to go on. We need to sort out several positions and we need to shift some players too. If we have to sell in order to buy, we may be in for a bleak summer.
It's guesswork until we see how it turns out. Every club will play their cards close to their chests, because there is no benefit if others know how much funds you have available. Unless you have Ed Woodward in charge, who brags that he can buy the world, of course.
So I really think those annually leaked transfer kitties are pulled out of someone's ass as football journalism tends to be shocking or even pure click bait.
Who could say with any certainty given the takeover status....
We operate a revolving credit facility under the Glazers which effectively means we have a credit card.
I'd guess factoring in CL and Glazernomics we've about £100m plus sales
I could be wrong on this but selling homegrown players like McTominay/Henderson would mean we could amortise other signings in a ffp loophole up to double amount. Id say it will be 100m plus maybe another 100 on amortised fees....
Depends how well we sell really and what happens with takeover
ETH did great this year but this squad really needs 4 good signings minimum to solidify top 4 status. Think its a year too soon to think about a title challenge. Arsenal had a decent go but Arteta has had time and Ten Hag is still dealing with mistakes from previous managers
Any proper run club
will be able to get 100m plus for the below players:
1) Macquire: 35
2) Henderson:30
3) Mctominay: 35
4) Fred:15
5) Elanga:10
6) Martial:10
7) B williams:5
8) VDB: loan plus option to buy at 30m
9) Baily and Telles (10m)
Total 140m approx excluding VDB.
Our usual transfer budget of 100-150m… means we can spend 250-270m in this transfer window without new injection from new owners (when they come).
CB: 50m (Kim), Mount (50m), Rabiot (free), Hojuland (40m). If another striker is available (Kane), we fill that position at around 80m and buy a keeper at 50-60m who will be new number 1.
If striker is not available, we use the 150m for a keeper and a ball carrying MF.
We can’t do all in one window unless we new owners.
will be able to get 100m plus for the below players:
1) Macquire: 35
2) Henderson:30
3) Mctominay: 35
4) Fred:15
5) Elanga:10
6) Martial:10
7) B williams:5
8) VDB: loan plus option to buy at 30m
9) Baily and Telles (10m)
Total 140m approx excluding VDB.
Our usual transfer budget of 100-150m… means we can spend 250-270m in this transfer window without new injection from new owners (when they come).
CB: 50m (Kim), Mount (50m), Rabiot (free), Hojuland (40m). If another striker is available (Kane), we fill that position at around 80m and buy a keeper at 50-60m who will be new number 1.
If striker is not available, we use the 150m for a keeper and a ball carrying MF.
We can’t do all in one window unless we new owners.
Love these, can I ask after being on £200k for another 2 years, Maguire is unlikely to drop down on wages, who gives him that wage and us £35m? 200k a year is over £10m a year and we owe him for 2 years, more likely someone like WH/ Everton give him £80k and we have to pay him the difference in wages from his contract from the fee, which is around £13m so lucky to get a net £20m there.
Nobody is spending £30m on VDB as he has barely played football in 2 years, Kane wont go to an English team for £80m, thats very clear. I dont see how we get Mount for £50m when Chelsea are saying they want £70 to £80m and we havent ever been great at getting these demands down.
Even £10m for Martial is crazy as hes not expected to be fit for the start of the season so dont see how we shift him at all and think that its unlikely with the Glazers in charge that 100% of sales go back into transfers, we have never sold that many from a squad in one go, im not trying to bring you down but lets be realistic.
getting the money for these players is one thing....the bigger relief is getting their wages off the bill as that helps to somewhat balance off the ffp restrictions on salary limits. Those are senior players who will have been on big salaries so you're losing probably close to 1m a month in salaries
In today's market £100 million isn't a lot, especially as we need, as you say, four good signings just to solidify top four. Other clubs will be spending. Newcastle, City, Liverpool, and Arsenal will be opening their wallets. We need to move other players besides McTom and Henderson, but those on big wages will be tough to shift. The sale can't come soon enough, especially if the Glazers end up leaving for good.
agreed - i mentioned those two as they are home grown
there are maybe 7/8 players youd be desperate to keep. The rest wouldn't break your heart
Mentioned this in the other thread. We have very limited funds and financial fair play. Unlike certain other clubs.
1) A striker to challenge Martial. If Martial is sold, then maybe a second striker. (Due to our constraints, I think Martial is highly unlikely to be sold). Need to see the Mason Greenwood situation as well.
2) A central midfielder to challenge and likely eventually replace Eriksen
3) A goalkeeper to challenge DDG
4) A centerback if Maguire is successfully sold
Just the first two is likely going to push above 100 million. Blowing the "known" budget. This is how difficult our current situation is. So getting the first 3 with the expectation some players are sold is hard enough. Getting 4 would be considered a smashing success.
Don't expect miracles and don't expect huge turnover.
1) A striker to challenge Martial. If Martial is sold, then maybe a second striker. (Due to our constraints, I think Martial is highly unlikely to be sold). Need to see the Mason Greenwood situation as well.
2) A central midfielder to challenge and likely eventually replace Eriksen
3) A goalkeeper to challenge DDG
4) A centerback if Maguire is successfully sold
Just the first two is likely going to push above 100 million. Blowing the "known" budget. This is how difficult our current situation is. So getting the first 3 with the expectation some players are sold is hard enough. Getting 4 would be considered a smashing success.
Don't expect miracles and don't expect huge turnover.
Our progress in transfer windows is so painfully slow I cant see a lot happening.
We have needed certain players out the door for so long its criminal they are still here. We could offload upto 10 players before we even look at fringe players who may or may not have a role to play next year.
Mental how poor our squad management is!
Love for us to ship the following out:
Henderson (had promise but he's pissed on his chips with his arsey media comments and not coming back when ETH asked him too)
DDG (Great servant, hell of a UTD career but he's been here too long and his day has gone. Too many mistaked, ETH will want a much better ball playing keeper)
Williams - Rarely featured this year, no future here. Which probably means the board will give him a pay rise and renew contract after contract "to keep his market value". Just get rid
Bailly/Telles - Returning loanees. No future here. Get rid
Tuanzebe - Never going to crack it here. Needs moving on
Maguire - Never going to win a starting spot back. We have 3 CB's easily ahead of him and in market for another. His time is up
AWB - We've preferred Dalot this year, which is questionable. Could easily ship AWB if we can source a replacement
McTominey - From a near starter last season to fringe player at best. Never good enough, time to get rid
Fred - The better half of the worst DM pivot we've ever had in Fred&McTom - shows glimpses of brilliance but outweighed by a magnitude of Sunday league errors. As unpredictable a player as we'll ever see. Time's up
Donny - I've been really vocal about giving this lad a chance. But we are 3 managers in and i know he's been injured a lot this year but i cannot see how he becomes an integral midfield player for us, despite his relationship with ETH. Better to move him on than keep him floating around the bench
Elanga - Another former starter whose rarely played this year. Looked poor when given a chance and we got Garnacho racing ahead of him and better players returning from loans. Never going to break into our starting front 3.
Martial - He will always be the most frustrating CF we've ever had. He should be brilliant, but he's not. Far from it. He makes jogging look like it's the hardest thing in the world.
So thats 12 we could easily be without next year. Questionable what we do with returning players such as Amad and Hannibal and i'm still unsure if ETH will give Pellistri a chance. If we sign a CB, i'd argue Lindelof might be surplus as well.
Massive window of incomings.
ETH hasn't got anywhere near the players he wants or needs for his style to be in full effect.
He's made good changes and made do with a lot of players as you cant do it all in 1 window.
A Ball Playing GK will make a tremendous difference for us. Alters our build up massively.
Better quality in midfield is still much needed. We're using Fred way too much.
Martials never going to be a top level CF capable of 20+ goals so a big upgrade there is needed.
We have needed certain players out the door for so long its criminal they are still here. We could offload upto 10 players before we even look at fringe players who may or may not have a role to play next year.
Mental how poor our squad management is!
Love for us to ship the following out:
Henderson (had promise but he's pissed on his chips with his arsey media comments and not coming back when ETH asked him too)
DDG (Great servant, hell of a UTD career but he's been here too long and his day has gone. Too many mistaked, ETH will want a much better ball playing keeper)
Williams - Rarely featured this year, no future here. Which probably means the board will give him a pay rise and renew contract after contract "to keep his market value". Just get rid
Bailly/Telles - Returning loanees. No future here. Get rid
Tuanzebe - Never going to crack it here. Needs moving on
Maguire - Never going to win a starting spot back. We have 3 CB's easily ahead of him and in market for another. His time is up
AWB - We've preferred Dalot this year, which is questionable. Could easily ship AWB if we can source a replacement
McTominey - From a near starter last season to fringe player at best. Never good enough, time to get rid
Fred - The better half of the worst DM pivot we've ever had in Fred&McTom - shows glimpses of brilliance but outweighed by a magnitude of Sunday league errors. As unpredictable a player as we'll ever see. Time's up
Donny - I've been really vocal about giving this lad a chance. But we are 3 managers in and i know he's been injured a lot this year but i cannot see how he becomes an integral midfield player for us, despite his relationship with ETH. Better to move him on than keep him floating around the bench
Elanga - Another former starter whose rarely played this year. Looked poor when given a chance and we got Garnacho racing ahead of him and better players returning from loans. Never going to break into our starting front 3.
Martial - He will always be the most frustrating CF we've ever had. He should be brilliant, but he's not. Far from it. He makes jogging look like it's the hardest thing in the world.
So thats 12 we could easily be without next year. Questionable what we do with returning players such as Amad and Hannibal and i'm still unsure if ETH will give Pellistri a chance. If we sign a CB, i'd argue Lindelof might be surplus as well.
Massive window of incomings.
ETH hasn't got anywhere near the players he wants or needs for his style to be in full effect.
He's made good changes and made do with a lot of players as you cant do it all in 1 window.
A Ball Playing GK will make a tremendous difference for us. Alters our build up massively.
Better quality in midfield is still much needed. We're using Fred way too much.
Martials never going to be a top level CF capable of 20+ goals so a big upgrade there is needed.
Confirmed departures to date (age in parentheses)
- Phil Jones (31): Released. Future unknown
- Ethan Galbraith (22): Released. Future unknown
- Jack Butland (30): End of loan. Player signed with Rangers
- Bernard Di’Shon (22): Released. Future unknown
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What does ‘ successfully sold’ mean? That we get a fee?
Even with Qatari owners it's unlikely we will be signing Mbappe, however, Min-Jae, Mount, Costa, and Kane, would be exceptional, and probably one or two more additions, hopefully Caceido being one of them.
Ok let’s get to truth regarding the myth of FFP and other clubs being in a much better position. This season a new rule is being introduced called Financial sustainability period (FSP), for the year of 2023/24 all
Clubs can spend up-to 90% of their gross revenue after financials, Net transfer fees and Agent Fees are paid. The figures will be calculated on the previous season financials. seeing as we do not yet have the accounts for 22/23 we can make an educated guess based on no champions league in 22/23 season but also huge reductions to our wage bill with Ronaldo being paid only to Xmas and Players like Pogba, Cavani, Lingard, Mata, Matic all leaving last year. Without even looking at the 20% reduction built into players contracts for not qualifying for CL. It’s fair to say that we reduced wage by £250k (6 month Ronaldo), Pogba(300k) Cavani (250k), Lingard (120k), Mata (180k), Matic (140k) roughly £1.25m per week
and we signed Eriksen (150k),
L Martinez(140k), W Weghorst 6 months (30k), M Sabitzer 6 Months (80k), Casemeiro (320k) , Antony (200k) , T Malacia (80k) = £1m per week
Saving £12m per
Wages were reported on season 21/22 as £385m with Gross revenue of £583m and the club made a significant loss of £115m all this when we were in the CL up until round of 16. The CL payment might have been £50-55m 2 years ago against Europa league of £25m max. So assuming that revenue in Europe was down but PL and domestic revenue slightly up the club turnover might be £550m for year 22/23 season and the wages reduced to £325m(increased spending in recruiting ETH Management team and pay offs to Ragnorak and Ole. If we assume the club again lost £100m for the third year running with £30m being used just to service the £535m debt the Goblins leveraged the club with.
Ninety per cent of £550m is £495m minus the financial loss of £100m minus the wages across the club of £325m means the club current position is approximately £425m and £70m is left over for amortised transfer fee, upfront Agent fees now regulated by FIFA (10% Max) and new wages for signing. This would be our current net position before player sales. If the club sells - Dean Henderson (25m), B Williams (5m), A Elanga (10m) and S Mctominay (30m) for a total of £70m all these players represent pure net profit on our transfer position and this would mean the club would have a net position of £140m. Forget Maguire, DVB, Martial, Bailey, A Teles , they help but nowhere near as much they literally pay for 1 player because of the huge fees and wages we paid for Maguire. Loosing De Gea helps massively as it adds nearly £20m to the net transfer position.
So United sold or let go all these players for maybe £70m (net Profit) plus £50m( pays off existing amortised debts of players being sold)
We would have a net position of £150-160m
We could Sign ;
Diego Costa - Fee £60m 5 year contract on £120k per week Amortised cost to budget
£12m+£6m =£18m
Kim Min Jae - Fee £45m 5 year contract on £200k per week
Amortised Cost to budget
£9m+£10m =£19m
Caciedo - Fee £80m 5 year contract on £180k per week
Amortised cost to budget
£16m + £9m =£25m
M Mount - Fee £60m 5 year contract on £200k per week
Amortised cost to budget
£12m + £10m =£22m
R Hojlund - Fee £45m 5 year contract on
£100k per week
Amortised cost to budget
£9m + £5m = £14m
Neymar - Fee £50m 4 year contract on
£500k per week
Amortised cost to budget
£12.5m + £25m = £37.5m
Reality of £135.5m against a net position of £150-160m
So In conclusion United, providing they sell 4 players that came through their youth set up for £70m could actually buy ; D Costa, KMJ, Caciedo, M Mount, R Hojlund and Neymar - The headline would be United spend £340m gross or £220m Net but In reality the wage bill would be less than that of season 21/22 when we failed to qualify for the 1/4 final of the CL.
Newcastle have a transfer budget of £70-£100m because their turnover is still below £250-270m.
Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea still have huge revenues of £400-580m because they all participated in this years CL and Arsenal will have a healthy turnover and an extremely healthy wage to turnover ratio so all of them can spend £200-300m if the wish as for city with a fake turnover of probably £700m in this years accounts if they were not under investigation they would be spending £200-250m as well.
Two big topic over twitter in matter of hours, us cooling down on Harry Kane & Kim Jae being Bayern's main target - one hell of a coincidence.
It probably means our two first signings will be Mount and Hojlund then sales to fund any other incoming signings. Maguire is on the fence about leaving which doesn’t help. Hopefully he realizes that his United career is finished.
Looks like we'll end up with Mount, Holjund, a CB (KMJ/Timber) and a GK. Caicedo would be the icing on the cake but dont think we have the funds.
The dream summer transfer plan from my perspective.
1. Take advantage of release clauses on key targets and get these deals done early. Aim to break even on these signings by clearing the deadwood at the club.
In:
Diogo Costa
Kim Min-Jae
Total ~£100m
Out:
Maguire
Henderson
De Gea
Telles
Bailly
Williams
VDB
Elanga
Laird
Total ~£100m (would need substantial fees for Maguire and Henderson)
Net spend: 0
2. Get Caicedo
We need to bolster midfield. Caicedo could be the kind of player that could be considered “must-have” due to his athleticism, technical ability and age. I’d certainly rather pay a bit extra and get him than compromise.
McTominay makes way.
In: Caicedo ~£75m plus performance add-ons
Out: McTominay ~£25m
Cumulative net spend: £50m
3. Strike a deal for Kane
I’m not sure Kane is completely off the table unless the likes of Real or Bayern go big for him. I think we’re right to publicly cool our interest as we don’t want to get bent over a barrel or have a saga that lasts all summer. But if pre-season starts without any of the big European teams showing serious interest and if Kane refuses to sign an extension then there will come a point where Levy has a decision to make. Given the serious need for a striker I can understand that playing a longer game for Kane will make some people nervous but I do think a deal could be done if we wait it out. I also think it’s quite a good market for centre forwards this summer with quite a few options and only a handful of big clubs shopping for a striker so unless they start flying off the shelves I would be comfortable with being patient to get our number 1 target.
In: Kane £100m
Out: Martial £15m
Cumulative net spend: £135m
4: Final tweaks
Try in the last weeks to upgrade or refresh positions in the squad as needed and try to break even with players that could be surplus to requirements or that want to move on:
In: targets could include a RB (Frimpong), another young CM (Lavia, Guler), backup striker (Hojlund, Orban)
Out: players to be moved on could include: Fred, Pellistri, Greenwood. Maybe even Sancho.
Cumulative net spend ~£150m
Final squad:
Costa
Kovar
Heaton
Varane
Martinez
Kim Min-Jae
Shaw
Lindelof
Frimpong
AWB
Dalot
Malacia
Casemiro
Caicedo
Bruno Fernandes
Eriksen
Lavia/Guler/Fred
Kane
Rashford
Antony
Hojlund/Orban/Greenwood
Garnacho
Sancho
Amad Diallo
24 man squad with average age of ~24.5, supplemented by youth academy. On par with youngest squad in the PL but with plenty of experience in the spine of the team.
Composure, aggression and the ability to play out in defence. Intensity, legs and control in midfield. Pace in behind and plenty of goals.
1. Take advantage of release clauses on key targets and get these deals done early. Aim to break even on these signings by clearing the deadwood at the club.
In:
Diogo Costa
Kim Min-Jae
Total ~£100m
Out:
Maguire
Henderson
De Gea
Telles
Bailly
Williams
VDB
Elanga
Laird
Total ~£100m (would need substantial fees for Maguire and Henderson)
Net spend: 0
2. Get Caicedo
We need to bolster midfield. Caicedo could be the kind of player that could be considered “must-have” due to his athleticism, technical ability and age. I’d certainly rather pay a bit extra and get him than compromise.
McTominay makes way.
In: Caicedo ~£75m plus performance add-ons
Out: McTominay ~£25m
Cumulative net spend: £50m
3. Strike a deal for Kane
I’m not sure Kane is completely off the table unless the likes of Real or Bayern go big for him. I think we’re right to publicly cool our interest as we don’t want to get bent over a barrel or have a saga that lasts all summer. But if pre-season starts without any of the big European teams showing serious interest and if Kane refuses to sign an extension then there will come a point where Levy has a decision to make. Given the serious need for a striker I can understand that playing a longer game for Kane will make some people nervous but I do think a deal could be done if we wait it out. I also think it’s quite a good market for centre forwards this summer with quite a few options and only a handful of big clubs shopping for a striker so unless they start flying off the shelves I would be comfortable with being patient to get our number 1 target.
In: Kane £100m
Out: Martial £15m
Cumulative net spend: £135m
4: Final tweaks
Try in the last weeks to upgrade or refresh positions in the squad as needed and try to break even with players that could be surplus to requirements or that want to move on:
In: targets could include a RB (Frimpong), another young CM (Lavia, Guler), backup striker (Hojlund, Orban)
Out: players to be moved on could include: Fred, Pellistri, Greenwood. Maybe even Sancho.
Cumulative net spend ~£150m
Final squad:
Costa
Kovar
Heaton
Varane
Martinez
Kim Min-Jae
Shaw
Lindelof
Frimpong
AWB
Dalot
Malacia
Casemiro
Caicedo
Bruno Fernandes
Eriksen
Lavia/Guler/Fred
Kane
Rashford
Antony
Hojlund/Orban/Greenwood
Garnacho
Sancho
Amad Diallo
24 man squad with average age of ~24.5, supplemented by youth academy. On par with youngest squad in the PL but with plenty of experience in the spine of the team.
Composure, aggression and the ability to play out in defence. Intensity, legs and control in midfield. Pace in behind and plenty of goals.
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That's Football Manager transfer window - or Todd Boehly.
Funny thing is this should have been done by now, Atleast the outgoings over last few years as part of normal business but we have idiots running the show.
We need to learn from Madrid, they are masters in managing and refreshing a squad!
How much will this transfer window by undermined by all this takeover rubbish, especially if, as one tweet alleges, that the club won't get new owners until the new season is already underway?
Mount Højlund Jae would be a good window considering our constrains/the prices Mount/Højlund gets quoted at. We’ll have to do with De Gea, more goals is most important.
Probably just two of those three will be possible within the budget. I’d choose Mount/Højlund and get a cheap backup striker like Rodrigo for competition/for 1-2 years.
Probably just two of those three will be possible within the budget. I’d choose Mount/Højlund and get a cheap backup striker like Rodrigo for competition/for 1-2 years.
Similar to the January window I assume
Yeah this situation is getting ridiculous
That was down to overspending last summer
Feeling for Ten Hag right now, looks like another transfer window looking for low buyout clauses, players with one year remaining on their contracts and season long loans.
But I’ve got to say that Antony transfer from last summer is seriously hurting us when we could have put that money towards a top striker or GK because now it’s looking like we won’t get either.
But I’ve got to say that Antony transfer from last summer is seriously hurting us when we could have put that money towards a top striker or GK because now it’s looking like we won’t get either.
Yeah that Antony one is really hurting us and wouldn't blame Erik from getting out if he has to put up with this shambles much longer
Confirmed departures to date (age in parentheses)
- Phil Jones (31): Released. Future unknown
- Ethan Galbraith (22): Released. Future unknown
- Jack Butland (30): End of loan. Player signed with Rangers
- Bernard Di’Shon (22): Released. Future unknown
- Axel Tuanzebe (25): Released. Future unknown
Still awaiting that big departure
It feels like we’re already behind.
We are in the middle of being sold that’s hardly surprising?
Won’t expect any big departures. Since the first van Gaal period we have in average sold 2 players a year. Given the wages our player are on and the ongoing divestment process I won’t expect any big departures. If we do sell any, it would be players like Laird, Telles for very very small amount
that shouldn’t really affect our transfer business though as the club uses money it generates. It’s not as if we are waiting for big money sugar daddy to get us rolling.