"I would like to remind you this club stood by me in bad times, the players and the staff," he said.
"Your job now is to stand by the new manager."
Discuss.
"Your job now is to stand by the new manager."
Discuss.
Support David Moyes thread
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Absolutely right
My job is to support Manchester United and it is clear that Moyes is not up to the job. Therefore I shall ignore SAF's instruction. He's got to go.
I'm all for standing by managers where there are signs that they are getting things right and that the players are still pulling for them. Name anything you are seeing right now that gives that impression?
He's certainly not making it easy for us.
I want to support him, however its obvious that it would be a stupid thing to do.
Who's correct here?
Being 5th and showing signs of playing good football, I'd back Moyes for the remainder of his contract.
Being 7th, drawing at home to the worst time in the league, resorting to 80, EIGHTY crosses in a game - I'll stand by the good of the club, not David Moyes.
Being 7th, drawing at home to the worst time in the league, resorting to 80, EIGHTY crosses in a game - I'll stand by the good of the club, not David Moyes.
Sacking him now does nothing. We aren't getting 4th.
See out the season. Re-evaluate in the summer.
The manager has to take a lot of the blame, but the players have been awful..
This season is a write off.
See out the season. Re-evaluate in the summer.
The manager has to take a lot of the blame, but the players have been awful..
This season is a write off.
There are bad times and there are David Moyes times.
This is an interesting experiment in the human psychological predisposition to blind faith.
I support the sacking of David Moyes.
There is nothing he's shown by far suggests that he could take this club forward. None of his so called tactics has worked in our favour and he's made the same mistakes every game. and He's keeping on making them week in week out.
There is nothing he's shown by far suggests that he could take this club forward. None of his so called tactics has worked in our favour and he's made the same mistakes every game. and He's keeping on making them week in week out.
Why blindly support someone who looks like his only potential is in leading us into a Liverpool-esque decline?
I'm sure when SAF made that speech he could have predicted a below par season with all the change and transition but this is something else, even a worst case scenario didn't look this grim.
The problem with this is that you basically end up having mindless belief and refuse to question normal logic which all suggests there is nothing about Moyes which suggests he's the right man for the job.
If he had us in 17th, would we still have to follow that principle? If we had appointed Vincent Tan as our manager, would we still have to "give him time" when it'd be clear he's not good enough to be the manager?
If he had us in 17th, would we still have to follow that principle? If we had appointed Vincent Tan as our manager, would we still have to "give him time" when it'd be clear he's not good enough to be the manager?
This completely. If results are terrible, then you have to see progress in other areas to justify it. Short term pain for long term gain. Unfortunately, results are terrible AND we've regressed in terms of playing style etc. Moyes hasn't given us a single reason to support him through incredibly trying times.
A LOT of people were terrified at the thought of him being our manager; long before he was offered the job, and Moyes has only shown us exactly why so many thought he'd be a terrible choice: no winning record, lack of big game mentality, out dated tactics.
I agree with Rednails, I support Manchester United, not David Moyes or Sir Alex for that matter.I now believe Moyes leaving would be in the best interests of Manchester United. Not wanting him to go would be sort of like self-harming.
Sorry, but I am a Manchester United fan, not a David Moyes fan. While Fergie had good sentiment intended in that speech it was ultimately wrong. Also, I don't even think Sir Alex thought it would be this bad when he made that speech.
If we're going to sack him in the summer then we might as well do it now. Would give his replacement the luxury of a write off season to get to know the team. Would also be considerably less pressure on him since I can't imagine it will be too hard to improve things.
If the club does sack him, it better be at the same time as releasing at least 4 players who have served up the same old shit everytime they've put on the shirt this season.
Still standing.
I will say it is looking grim, but I have faith in the senior management of the club, that they have a long term view of things, and they won't be bothered too much by minor perturbations. 2 years.
Rednails is 100% right.
We're United fans first and foremost, why should we blindly follow Fergie's rhetoric when his man is damaging the club we support more and more each week?
We're United fans first and foremost, why should we blindly follow Fergie's rhetoric when his man is damaging the club we support more and more each week?
I'm pretty sure when Sir Alex made that speech he feared United fans might turn against him if we were around 4th in the table, not frickin 7th. Not even him and Sir Bobby would have imagined it to be this bad I wager.
The situation is eerily similar to the one Frank O'Farrell found himself in back in the '70s.
Obviously a very good manager having proved his worth elsewhere, he's finding it difficult to impose his ideas on a squad used to playing under a legendary manager and who may be proving quite stubborn in adopting and responding to the new man's methods.
Obviously a very good manager having proved his worth elsewhere, he's finding it difficult to impose his ideas on a squad used to playing under a legendary manager and who may be proving quite stubborn in adopting and responding to the new man's methods.
i like the way you respect opinions different than yours
You don't post much for a Manchester United supporter.
Then again you may be a regular season ticket holder
My job now is to support Manchester United and not Alex Ferguson. Hyper-Feck off Moyes.
He's a very good mid-table manager, like Hodgson. That's it.
How many tens of millions will it cost to sack him though? Less than we'll lose being out of the CL, but that's happening anyway. I can see them giving him a second season.
Nobody is more important than the club, not even the manager. If the manager is harming the club, it should be in every supporter´s interest to show him the door.
Obviously he should be supported up to the point where they get rid of him, if it comes to that but it doesn't mean he should be devoid of criticism. 80 crosses in 1 game yielding 2 goals, 1 of which was very lucky. How can a manager leading the biggest club in the world not change something? Throwing Adnan and Chicha was a desperate ploy in the hope that someone bundles the ball over the line.
Moyes has got more in his locker, much more but he's just not doing it at the minute. He's doing things he rarely did at Everton, like throwing in 6 forwards in the hope one of them does something. Much of it, in my opinion, is down to the media, fans and pundits pressuring him into playing attacking football and claiming he's too defensive minded. If this is the case, it begs the question of whether his mentality is strong enough to be managing a top team with the highest of expectations.
Moyes has got more in his locker, much more but he's just not doing it at the minute. He's doing things he rarely did at Everton, like throwing in 6 forwards in the hope one of them does something. Much of it, in my opinion, is down to the media, fans and pundits pressuring him into playing attacking football and claiming he's too defensive minded. If this is the case, it begs the question of whether his mentality is strong enough to be managing a top team with the highest of expectations.
You can support him while he's here and still hope for a better replacement if things aren't improving at all. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Yeah I'm a United supporter, and I want what is best for the club. Why support Moyes if I have absolutely no confidence or faith in him that he can turn it around, get us playing good football or winning trophies? The best decision for Manchester united both long and short term IMO would be for him to be sacked.
I don't understand how he can succeed here, it's obvious he's no real idea how to play attacking football, summed up today with 82 crosses and nothing else.
I like this thread.
This is the last stand. This is where we hold them. This is where we stand. Give them nothing. Take from them..... everything
This is the last stand. This is where we hold them. This is where we stand. Give them nothing. Take from them..... everything
Exactly how I feel too.
Sacking him now is no help to anyone as 4th is out. So we make a decision then.
This season however is unacceptable. Did anybody see us struggling to this degree? I very very much doubt that if you told any United fan that they'd be in this position at the start of the season they would have said "Its OK, its his first year". I'm convinced the vast majority would say he should be gone if that was the case.
This season however is unacceptable. Did anybody see us struggling to this degree? I very very much doubt that if you told any United fan that they'd be in this position at the start of the season they would have said "Its OK, its his first year". I'm convinced the vast majority would say he should be gone if that was the case.
Keeping him would certainly be no help either.
Sure, I'm still behind him. And even if I had zero confidence in him ever becoming a worthy United manager I wouldn't simply call for his head at this stage. Who's to replace him? Going down the caretaker route makes no sense unless he's completely lost the players. And getting a suitable, permanent replacement in at this point seems extremely unlikely.