Tactical lineups post-Amorim

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moses said:
Yep, someone who now starts is getting benched. Who are the 6 behind them?
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Lemmens
Mazraoui De Ligt Martinez Shaw
Casemiro Mainoo
Mbeumo Bruno Cunha
Šeško​

Maybe Mount instead of Mainoo or Amad even.

Feels bit rubbish not fitting Amad in the starting XI he’s been possibly best player other than Bruno.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
Lemmens
Mazraoui De Ligt Martinez Shaw
Casemiro Mainoo
Mbeumo Bruno Cunha
Šeško​

Maybe Mount instead of Mainoo or Amad even.

Feels bit rubbish not fitting Amad in the starting XI he’s been possibly best player other than Bruno.
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Mainoo and Shaw may not walk into that team?
 
moses said:
Mainoo and Shaw may not walk into that team?
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I can’t see Shaw able to do the running at LB without breaking down again. So could be right.

Ultimately it’s about balance. Playing Mbeumo over Amad gives you vertical threat but not width so maybe Dorgu would be a better fit as a marauding LB who stays wide?

If you go to a back 4 then you need a midfielder who can handle the ball in build up (unless you do it even deeper with just Martinez). Mainoo probably best for this in that case. Tough one.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I can’t see Shaw able to do the running at LB without breaking down again. So could be right.

Ultimately it’s about balance. Playing Mbeumo over Amad gives you vertical threat but not width so maybe Dorgu would be a better fit as a marauding LB who stays wide?

If you go to a back 4 then you need a midfielder who can handle the ball in build up (unless you do it even deeper with just Martinez). Mainoo probably best for this in that case. Tough one.
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Tricky alright. Is that not the midfield we bought Ugarte for so people couldn't drive a bus straight through it?

We have great options for the front 4. Maybe a wily CF short.
 
I liked the 4-4-2ish thing.

------------------Lammens
Yoro --- De Ligt --- Martinez --- Shaw
Amad --- Bruno --- Casemiro --- Mount
------------Mbuemo --- Cunha
 
DOTA said:
I liked the 4-4-2ish thing.

------------------Lammens
Yoro --- De Ligt --- Martinez --- Shaw
Amad --- Bruno --- Casemiro --- Mount
------------Mbuemo --- Cunha
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If you replace Yoro with Mazraoui, it would be five 10s without a single 10 position. Beautiful
 
DOTA said:
I liked the 4-4-2ish thing.

------------------Lammens
Yoro --- De Ligt --- Martinez --- Shaw
Amad --- Bruno --- Casemiro --- Mount
------------Mbuemo --- Cunha
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Yoro is not great out wide. Shaw is old and slow. That midfield quartet is weak and the two lads up front are better deeper.

3/10
 
------------------Lammens--------
Maz-----De Ligt----Heaven----Dorgu
-----------------------Casemiro----------
----------Mount----------------------------
----------------------Bruno----------------
Amad-----------Mbuemo------Cunha
 
FrankDrebin said:
------------------Lammens--------
Maz-----De Ligt----Heaven----Dorgu
-----------------------Casemiro----------
----------Mount----------------------------
----------------------Bruno----------------
Amad-----------Mbuemo------Cunha
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No Martinez! Boooo!
 
-----------Lammens

-------------De Ligt

----Casemiro--Mainoo

---Amad--Bruno--Mount

Mbeumo--Sesko--Cunha

-------‐-----Maguire
 
Looking at our squad - I really like some of our defensive options, I think Dalot and Dorgu will struggle defensively in a four and I like a lot of our tens.

I’d play three cbs (De Ligt, Heaven, Martinez) - play Mbuemo and Cunha behind a proper striker and have some of our wingers offer attacking/defensive support.


———————-Lammens————-
——-Heaven, De Ligt, Martinez—-
Dalot——————————————Dorgu
——————-Bruno—-Casemiro———
——Mbuemo———————Cunha———
————————Sesko———————


That would work really well,
 
Wumminator said:
Looking at our squad - I really like some of our defensive options, I think Dalot and Dorgu will struggle defensively in a four and I like a lot of our tens.

I’d play three cbs (De Ligt, Heaven, Martinez) - play Mbuemo and Cunha behind a proper striker and have some of our wingers offer attacking/defensive support.


———————-Lammens————-
——-Heaven, De Ligt, Martinez—-
Dalot——————————————Dorgu
——————-Bruno—-Casemiro———
——Mbuemo———————Cunha———
————————Sesko———————


That would work really well,
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:lol:
 
Wumminator said:
Looking at our squad - I really like some of our defensive options, I think Dalot and Dorgu will struggle defensively in a four and I like a lot of our tens.

I’d play three cbs (De Ligt, Heaven, Martinez) - play Mbuemo and Cunha behind a proper striker and have some of our wingers offer attacking/defensive support.


———————-Lammens————-
——-Heaven, De Ligt, Martinez—-
Dalot——————————————Dorgu
——————-Bruno—-Casemiro———
——Mbuemo———————Cunha———
————————Sesko———————


That would work really well,
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He died and rose again.
 
Wumminator said:
Looking at our squad - I really like some of our defensive options, I think Dalot and Dorgu will struggle defensively in a four and I like a lot of our tens.

I’d play three cbs (De Ligt, Heaven, Martinez) - play Mbuemo and Cunha behind a proper striker and have some of our wingers offer attacking/defensive support.


———————-Lammens————-
——-Heaven, De Ligt, Martinez—-
Dalot——————————————Dorgu
——————-Bruno—-Casemiro———
——Mbuemo———————Cunha———
————————Sesko———————


That would work really well,
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We might actually challenge for the title with this
 
Wumminator said:
Looking at our squad - I really like some of our defensive options, I think Dalot and Dorgu will struggle defensively in a four and I like a lot of our tens.

I’d play three cbs (De Ligt, Heaven, Martinez) - play Mbuemo and Cunha behind a proper striker and have some of our wingers offer attacking/defensive support.


———————-Lammens————-
——-Heaven, De Ligt, Martinez—-
Dalot——————————————Dorgu
——————-Bruno—-Casemiro———
——Mbuemo———————Cunha———
————————Sesko———————


That would work really well,
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:lol:
 
Flexible is definitely the bullshit term of Amorim's reign isn't it. We have one every manager where really it just encapsulates some frustration, the idea had formed among the manager thread that other managers changed formation constantly. I do not think anyone will call for flexibility back to 3421 if we're 'stubbornly' playing 4231 every game win/lose/draw.
 
I think it’ll be a shock for people when we still end up light in midfield with Bruno at 10. We will hopefully play a bit more compact than when ETH had his donut midfield, but the players are the same, in fact Casemiro is a year old older and Kobbie hasn’t played any football.
 
4-2-3-1 is probably the easiest to implement.

Not ideal but I prefer Bruno in the 10 instead of central midfield.

In the summer you probably need two starting central midfielders, a left back, a left winger with Cunha moving central and better squad depth

Lammens
Maz - de Ligt - Heaven - Shaw
Casemiro - Mainoo
Mbeumo - Bruno - Cunha
Sesko​
 
4 ATB!!

3 upfront with 3 in midfield.

With fullbacks moving upwards/inwards to flood the midfield and give us a numerical advantage.
 
I'm sure a large percentage of us would prefer 3atb never darken our door again. I think our current squad best suits a pretty standard 4231, with either a youngster or signing needed for LW cover / competition.

Lammens
Maz - MDL - Martinez - Shaw
Ugarte - Casemiro
Mbuemo - Bruno - Cunha
Sesko

Bayindir
Dalot - Yoro - Heaven - Dorgu
Mainoo - Collyer
Amad - Mount - Lacey (Signing)
Zirkzee (Or Mbuemo, Cunha etc)

Not a bad selection that with Maguire also to consider. Perfectly capable of securing Europa at least this year and a good foundation to build off. Lets get a sensible manager who'll get us playing brave, front foot, attacking football we can enjoy watching for a change, and reinforce the weak spots in the Summer.
 
against top sides

--------------Lammens-----------
Maz------De Ligt---Martinez-------Dorgu

-------------------Casemiro--------------
-----------Ugarte-----------Bruno-----

Mbuemo--------------------------Cunha

--------------------Sesko-------------------

- mid block/low block
- experienced CB over pace
- Casemiro as anchor, Ugarte B2B, Bruno deep but with licence to go forward


against mid-tier sides

--------------Lammens-----------------

Maz-------Yoro------De Ligt-----------Dorgu

-------------Casemiro---Ugarte--------------

Mbuemo--------Bruno------------------Cunha

--------------------Sesko-----------------------------

- high block which requires a pacey CB aka Yoro
- Casemiro aiding Ugarte
- Bruno as no 10 but drops deep to help

against weak sides

--------------Lammens

Maz------Yoro----Martinez------Dorgu

----------Ugarte---Mainoo------------

Mbuemo------Bruno---------Cunha

--------------Sesko---------------------------------

- superb ball playing CBs
- Ugarte/Mainoo providing superior mobility which will compensate for Bruno staying up more
- Bruno stays forward
 
Shaw at lb is an illusion, wont last two games there. The 3-4-3 made sense with this squad. With 4 at the back we wont get all of our best offensive players into the starting 11. other than playing amad as rb - but that seems unrealistic.
 
Would anyone like to see more of Martinez infront of a back 4. It allows Heaven to stay in the team giving us a bit more height/pace at the back, and helps our buildup through the midfield. If he did a disciplined job it might help accommodate/unleash Mainoo, though it would mean dropping Casemiro (who likely won't be in the long term plans after this season anyway). Back 4 hopefully play a higher line than under ETH and Bruno in the slightly deeper position to help make us a bit more compact in midfield with a fluid front 3.

Lammens
Maz MDL Heaven Shaw
Martinez
Bruno Mainoo
Amad Mbuemo Cunha

Dorgu, Yoro, Ugarte, Casemiro, Sesko, Mount all good options off bench.

Another option is just dropping Shaw for Martinez. Just think that MDL, Heaven and Martinez all have their own different qualities that I'd like to see in the team.
 
I'd say we 100% need to take the attacking creativity responsibility away from the likes of Dorgu and Dalot. Glaringly obvious, every time they receive the ball in an attacking transition it's killed with poor control or lack of vision and execution.

For me do we change the formation, or stick with it and replace the wingbacks. I'd say it's work better if we changed the formation, and had Amad as the right wing creative outlet, and Cunha as the left wing creative outlet.

That leaves the decision of where to play Mbuemo, for me Seskos too young to play the pressurised role or a lone United striker, Mbuemo up top with his knack of being in the right place as well as his runs in behind, and let Sesko ease into his United Career.



.................Lammems
Maz....De Ligt......Martinez.....Shaw
..........Casemiro...Mainoo
.....Amad......Bruno..... Cunha
..................Mbuemo....

Big emphasis on finding a new left back and Casemiro replacements, and spell De Ligt and Martinez with Yoro and Heaven.
 
Dan_F said:
I think it’ll be a shock for people when we still end up light in midfield with Bruno at 10. We will hopefully play a bit more compact than when ETH had his donut midfield, but the players are the same, in fact Casemiro is a year old older and Kobbie hasn’t played any football.
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Considering Bruno has now spent 12 months deployed as deep midfielder, I think we’d be daft to push him into the 10 spot and leave us light.
I’d be playing him in a proper midfield 3 now, alongside Cas & one of Mainoo or Ugarte.
Let Mount, Mbuemo, Amad, Cunha and Sesko fight for the 3 front spots.

No brainer for me to at least try:

Keeper
Maz De Ligt Martinez/Heaven Shaw

Casemiro
Mainoo/Ugarte Bruno

Mbeumo. Amad
Cunha​
 
Considering our lack of wingers and overloaded 10 position, a 4-4-2 diamond might make sense, although it doesn't really have more width than the 3-4-3.

Casemiro, Mainoo and Bruno in midfield, Mount ahead of them, Sesko and Cunha up top
 
Nearly all the line ups posted are shite which shows it wasn't an easy fix back into 4231 as many claimed.

Shaw will struggle at FB, our other FBs can't attack, Mount has no starting position, Amad has no starting position, Casemiro won't cope in a 2 because with a back 4 he'll need to support wide, Ugarte is still shit, Mainoo has a lot to prove in a 2, we're suddenly more reliant on an underperforming striker, our CBs suddenly have more work to do.

I'd stick to 3421 in the tough games and play 442 for everything else. We need midfielders to solve the long standing issue of our midfield and being walked through.
 
Lammens


Mazraoui De Ligt Martinez Dorgu


Kobbie Cas


Bruno


Mbeumo Cunha


Amad

Seems a few are in agreement of this.
 
If all players are fit I’d go with…

Lammens
(Please don’t get injured)

Dalot DeLigt Martinez Shaw
(Maz) (Yoro) (Heaven) (Dorgu)

Casemiro Ugarte
(Mainoo) (Collyer)

Amad Bruno Cunha
(Mount) (Zirkzee) (Lacey)

Mbeumo
(Sesko)
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I think Sesko needs to be a rotation player for the rest of the season to hopefully get him firing for next season.

Obviously some of the primary players can cover other positions if needed and move some secondary line players around like Mount.

Still shows the weakness in midfield, full backs and striker positions.
 
Left back is an issue if we move to a back four. Shaw doesn't have the legs for it anymore and Dorgu is too weak defensively. Probably have to makeshift Dalot on that side a few times.

Lammens

Maz De Ligt Martinez Dalot/Shaw

Mainoo Casemiro

Mbeumo Bruno Cunha

Sesko

Issues - midfield is too lightweight and will get exposed. Our wingers are naturally narrow and will mean we lack width without fullbacks bombing on - which we can't really afford to have consistently from a defensive standpoint. Left back options are simply not good enough.

Aside from Mbeumo, we also don't have players willing to run beyond the striker which nullifies a lot of Sesko's game - means we become very congested in attack. Amad could potentially do this but then you're probably needing to drop Cunha.
 
groovyalbert said:
Left back is an issue if we move to a back four. Shaw doesn't have the legs for it anymore and Dorgu is too weak defensively. Probably have to makeshift Dalot on that side a few times.

Lammens

Maz De Ligt Martinez Dalot/Shaw

Mainoo Casemiro

Mbeumo Bruno Cunha

Sesko

Issues - midfield is too lightweight and will get exposed. Our wingers are naturally narrow and will mean we lack width without fullbacks bombing on - which we can't really afford to have consistently from a defensive standpoint. Left back options are simply not good enough.

Aside from Mbeumo, we also don't have players willing to run beyond the striker which nullifies a lot of Sesko's game - means we become very congested in attack. Amad could potentially do this but then you're probably needing to drop Cunha.
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Midfield becomes much less of an issue if we feck off the daft idea of always playing a number 10 when we have a back 4.

Just play a simple midfield three.

LB is our only real issue I agree there.
 
Lammens
Mazraoui - De Ligt - Martinez - Shaw
Bruno - Casemiro - Mount
Amad - Mbeumo - Cunha​
 
I think we need to play 433. Bruno has shown he can be effective centrally too - having 3 in the middle would allow us to have more control and the two 8's can add variety into the attack rather than focusing everything through Bruno as we tend to do in a 4231.

My ideal line up would be;

Lemmens
Mazraoui De Ligt Martinez Shaw
Bruno Casemiro Mainoo
Mbuemo Sesko Cunha
​
  • The back 4 all have "like for like" competitors for each spot.​
  • Ugarte, Mount and Collyer (as he's been recalled from loan) can add competition/cover for midfield spots.​
  • Amad can compete for RW, Mbuemo and Sesko can compete for ST, Zirkzee too if we don't sell him.​
  • I see us as light on LW though, with only Cunha as a real option in my opinion.​

To be fair, maybe on balance of form it ought to be;


Lemmens
Mazraoui De Ligt Martinez Shaw
Bruno Casemiro Mainoo
Amad Mbuemo Cunha
​
Let Sesko earn his place.
 
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