I’d keep the 3 at the back. It’s the only way you fit Amad, Mbeumo, Bruno, Sesko and one of Mount or Cunha in the team.
Tactical lineups post-Amorim
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I don't see why we would want to keep Mount or Cunha in the starting 11 to be honest
Agreed, That gives us subs that can make impacts and actually strengthens this squad if we’re not getting rid of anyone or bringing in anyone.
3232 or 3412
De Ligt Heaven Martinez
Mainoo Casemiro
Amad Bruno Dorgu
Mbeumo Sesko
De Ligt Heaven Martinez
Mainoo Casemiro
Amad Bruno Dorgu
Mbeumo Sesko
First names on the team sheet are Bruno, Amad, Lammens and De Ligt if he gets fit.
Lammens
Mazraoui De Ligt ??? Shaw
Bruno ??? ???
Amad Sesko Mbeumo
The LCB can be any of Martinez, Heaven or Yoro. Probably Licha since the defensive side is meh for all of them, but he brings the most on the ball.
CM can be any 2 of Casemiro, Mainoo, Ugarte or Martinez. I'd lean Casemiro and Ugarte for the most balance relative to the rest.
Lammens
Mazraoui De Ligt ??? Shaw
Bruno ??? ???
Amad Sesko Mbeumo
CM can be any 2 of Casemiro, Mainoo, Ugarte or Martinez. I'd lean Casemiro and Ugarte for the most balance relative to the rest.
God help us.
For all the ‘4231 gets everyone in their best position!’ posts, in reality it 1) removes any creativity we did have in CM by pushing Bruno forward where he can be defended out of the game 2) forces one of Amad or Mbeumo out of position or even drops one, and 3) reduces Mount’s impact. If you try and play Bruno deeper then there’s less defensive strength in behind too. Looks like we’ll be forced to play Mbeumo on the left to make this work, which isn’t ideal at all. 343 works better for me, at least we looked good going forward in it. At the very least it shouldn’t be ditched completely - use it when needed - the players have spent over a year learning it so our interim shouldn’t just stop playing it because Wilcox says so.
Because we don’t have competent fullbacks if we expect them to a) defend well, b) have the stamina to provide overlaps and width down the wings, and c) technically good enough to do something productive when they’ve done b)
The three at the back at least allowed us to play more offensively competent players like Amad. Now the only overlap comes from the fullbacks Dalot and Shaw and we can’t play Amad as a RB unless we want to ruin him.
We've played the most dire, uninspiring football i've ever witnessed during Amorin's tenure. Your talking absolute waffle
We looked good going forward? When? When Hojlund was up front scoring zero goals or when Sesko was up front scoring zero goals? Truly odd take to think we were any form of an attacking force.
We absolutely should stop playing Amorin's dream formation because it is the most horrid formation we've ever played, nearly every player was in an unfamiliar role they weren't suited too. Given that and the style of play i'm looking forward to whatever comes next - it cannot be any worse!
This line up would get the most out of Amad and Mbeumo, give us more defensive security which we need and has Bruno as CAM.
Cunha can play up front or in Bruno‘s position.
I disagree. If we play a flat back four then there’s much less expectation on wide defenders to be as creative as they needed to be under Amorim. Which gives us plenty of options. Plus you could make a very good argument that playing Amad at wing back was a waste of his attacking talents and made us vulnerable defensively on his flank.
We could argue the toss about this all day but I think, at the very least, you would concede that being forced to choose two fullbacks from Dorgu, Shaw, Mazrouai, Dalot, Yoro, Heaven etc is not even close to the biggest issue facing the new manager. Fergie won a shit load of premier league titles rotating the likes of O’Shea and Brown at fullback. Arsenal are probably going to win the league playing centre backs wide in a back four.
This is how I would lineup with everyone fit:
---------------------- Lammens ------------------
Mazraoui - De Ligt - Martinez - Dorgu
-------------- Casemiro - Mainoo ------------
----------- Amad - Bruno - Cunha ----------
---------------------- Sesko ------------------------
Mbeumo not making the first team is perhaps a bit controversial, but he's the first name on the sub sheet. The front 4 will rotate heavily either way, so he'll feature every game. And when there are injuries, obviously.
Amad simply must play. He's in form, he's our best dribbler and he has crazy potential. I also think it's a mistake to take off Sesko now that he seems to be finding his mojo. But if Mbeumo can be effective on the left, then I might be in favor of taking Cunha out.
---------------------- Lammens ------------------
Mazraoui - De Ligt - Martinez - Dorgu
-------------- Casemiro - Mainoo ------------
----------- Amad - Bruno - Cunha ----------
---------------------- Sesko ------------------------
Mbeumo not making the first team is perhaps a bit controversial, but he's the first name on the sub sheet. The front 4 will rotate heavily either way, so he'll feature every game. And when there are injuries, obviously.
Amad simply must play. He's in form, he's our best dribbler and he has crazy potential. I also think it's a mistake to take off Sesko now that he seems to be finding his mojo. But if Mbeumo can be effective on the left, then I might be in favor of taking Cunha out.
Mbeumo for Cunha for now.
It doesn't matter what your formation is if your players are technically terrible and have no ability to make good decision.
Dalot must he incredible in training because there's no way you'd choose to play him your starting 11. Terrible defender and terrible attacker. Can't deliver a cross.
Ugarte is technically not enough to play in the Premiership. Might look good in poor quality leagues but gets shown up by the majority of other midfielders.
Dalot must he incredible in training because there's no way you'd choose to play him your starting 11. Terrible defender and terrible attacker. Can't deliver a cross.
Ugarte is technically not enough to play in the Premiership. Might look good in poor quality leagues but gets shown up by the majority of other midfielders.
Mbeumo start. Bring Cunha on when the game is stretched, spaces open up and he’s fresh. As opposed to the current situation where he’s completely knackered by the time the game state might actually suit him.
This is not a good team. A midfield of Casemiro and Mainoo is probably the worst we can field. It's been tried before, and it was horrible
It’s been posted repeatedly but we have the third highest goals in the league this season. Our issues were at the back, not going forward. And thats without Sesko or Cunha properly performing too. Chances are our attack would have improved further as they got used to the system.
Yeah, if we don’t have that third CB then it’s got to be Ugarte over Mainoo, just to try to get some defensive structure in there. Not ideal though given he’s largely rubbish.
The system also forces Mbeumo to the left which isn't exactly ideal either. Mbeumo and Amad for large parts of tbe season looked good attacking together on the right.
It really illustrates quite how much Utd are crying out for at least one (probably two), real high-quality centre mids. Get two in there, with Casemiro and Mainoo as your first defensive, and first attacking subs respectively, and that’s a pretty good team.
But keep both Casemiro and Mainoo and it’s clear Utd will be overrun. I cannot believe that the manager, coaches, and senior management cannot see that.
The style of play under Amorin showed very little sign of improvement since the day he took over.
We were rotten to watch during his tenure. Nothing can convince me we were heading for a miraculous turnaround, because we were simply miles off it
We played with a midfield two of Casemiro and Bruno - that was horrible too. Didnt stop us though
We have the seventh most open play goals. So if anything, we'll miss Amorim's set piece coach more than him
Agree with this to some degree.
We have great players on paper, but they all buckle under any form of pressure.
We constantly make silly error's that are avoidable and have no sense of how to dictate a game. We're a pretty disjointed chaotic bunch as a collective.
Dalot is the enigma. Every manager picks him, without fail. Every fan see's him stink the place out game after game after game - but he's always picked.
Shaw/Casemiro/De Ligt/Maguire cannot cope with a high intense press
Heavan/Yoro/Dorgu are very raw and it's difficult to improve within our set up because we are so inconsistent.
Bruno for all his good is simply erratic with his decision making.
We need a complete overhaul - half of this squad have been here too long and we know what they'll do eventually for whoever the new manager is. All smiles and talking the talk at the beginning but as soon as we hit a difficult patch we'll fall to pieces and this squad on the hole will down tools.
True. But still, winning corners or free kicks in good positions is the product of better attacking play on the whole.
Yes but that was with a back 3, and at least 1 WB who was also predominantly a defender. Also, it wasn't horrible. I'd say that the one thing the 343 did do was allow a midfield of Bruno and Casemiro to actually be an option that worked more than it didn't work.
Worked more than it didn't?
Bruno the wanderer and Casemiro woefully isolated.
Teams have walked through our midfield for well over a year. it didn't work. it absolutely did not work.
It made us the easiest team to slice through. Our performances and results prove this in abundance
Lammens
Maz - Heaven - MDL - Dorgu
Mainoo - Licha
Mbuemo - Bruno - Amad
Sesko
Not beholden to Shaw's WC ambitions, not enamored by whatever Dalot offers in training, not worried about playing the lastest purchase. Still have some solid bench support with that. And work the kids in at 60' or 75'.Maz - Heaven - MDL - Dorgu
Mainoo - Licha
Mbuemo - Bruno - Amad
Sesko
To be fair, teams wander through our midfields for quite some time. With a few phases where it happend less (the one Matic season and the first Casemiro season and a good bit of McFred that came at a high price though)
Any chance a Licha-Bruno midfield could work? With Mount or Cunha in the #10 position? Yeah, we’re all desperate and clutching here.
Neither Cunha or Mbeumo are natural wide forwards, not to mention Mount, we're fecked in the 4-3-2-1 and 4-3-3
---------------------- Lammens ------------------
Mazraoui - De Ligt - ??????- Shaw
----------------------Martinez-------------------
-------------- Bruno-----------Ugarte------------
-------------------------??????-----------
-----------------?????------------?????---------------
442 diamond. We don't really have wide players. Cunha, Bruno, Mount and Mbeumo all prefer and are better central.
Front players can be interchangeable depending on opposition and giving us options off the bench.
Martinez in the pivot or Casa. Martinez looked promising when he did it a few weeks back.
Let Bruno do what he does knowing there is cover. I'd actually quiet like to see how Ugarte does in a role that he actually plays before we write him off. He can't play in a two, nor can he be the last man. He is a ball winner, so let him of the leash to do it. If he wins the ball up the pitch close to players like Bruno, Mbuemo or Cunha it could be lethal.
Mazraoui - De Ligt - ??????- Shaw
----------------------Martinez-------------------
-------------- Bruno-----------Ugarte------------
-------------------------??????-----------
-----------------?????------------?????---------------
442 diamond. We don't really have wide players. Cunha, Bruno, Mount and Mbeumo all prefer and are better central.
Front players can be interchangeable depending on opposition and giving us options off the bench.
Martinez in the pivot or Casa. Martinez looked promising when he did it a few weeks back.
Let Bruno do what he does knowing there is cover. I'd actually quiet like to see how Ugarte does in a role that he actually plays before we write him off. He can't play in a two, nor can he be the last man. He is a ball winner, so let him of the leash to do it. If he wins the ball up the pitch close to players like Bruno, Mbuemo or Cunha it could be lethal.
I think you've been watching a different team. It was by no means perfect, but it was a vast improvement to the midfield doughnut EtH had us set up in.
A majority of the goals be conceded were from poor defending, not a completely invisible midfield. If you're so concerned about our midfield being sliced through, then you shouldn't be advocating a partnership of Casemiro and Mainoo.
It was pretty horrible. We shipped a lot of goals and basically never competed well against top midfields. It did have the most verticality and passing range of any midfield combo though.
I wouldn't advocate for a midfield pair of any of the options available to us currently in truth - any combination is quite obviously flawed and will be torn to shreds - like it has been for years.
We were abysmal under ETH, and equally abysmal under Amorin. We haven't improved in years - we've gotten worse if anything
I just want to see us play as a team, not 11 individuals who look like they have never met one another, let alone played together.
I often wonder what exactly it is we do during the week as it rarely looks like we train or practice anything in particular, half the team looked completely lost yesterday, especially in defence.
I often wonder what exactly it is we do during the week as it rarely looks like we train or practice anything in particular, half the team looked completely lost yesterday, especially in defence.
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I pray God to see the below:
GK: Lammens
RB: Mazraoui
CB: De Ligt
CB: Martinez
LB: Shaw
CM: Mainoo
CM: Casemiro
RW: Amad
AM: Bruno
LW: Mount
FW: Mbeumo
This team can deliver top 5 I have faith.
Dorgu, Cunha, Sesko, Maguire as attacking options from the bench.
GK: Lammens
RB: Mazraoui
CB: De Ligt
CB: Martinez
LB: Shaw
CM: Mainoo
CM: Casemiro
RW: Amad
AM: Bruno
LW: Mount
FW: Mbeumo
This team can deliver top 5 I have faith.
Dorgu, Cunha, Sesko, Maguire as attacking options from the bench.
I mean that’s absolutely not true is it, do you remember LVG and Moyesball?
Why in gods name do you want Mount on the left? He essentially offers nothing in these types of conventional set ups. I'd put BM on the left and Sesko up top. I'd also take out Martinez for Heaven, Martinez is brutally overrated as a defender these days.
I'm coming more and more round to 433.
Maz Heaven Martinez Shaw
Bruno Casemiro Mainoo
Mbeumo Sesko Amad
If you ensure Bruno and Mainoo play as midfielders and provide backup to Casemiro I think it's solid. It also stops the issue of say Mainoo straying wide because Casemiro and Bruno can shift across with Maz inverting into DM.
Amad and Mbeumo are sufficient to create opportunities for Sesko, we don't need Bruno at 10.
Maz Heaven Martinez Shaw
Bruno Casemiro Mainoo
Mbeumo Sesko Amad
If you ensure Bruno and Mainoo play as midfielders and provide backup to Casemiro I think it's solid. It also stops the issue of say Mainoo straying wide because Casemiro and Bruno can shift across with Maz inverting into DM.
Amad and Mbeumo are sufficient to create opportunities for Sesko, we don't need Bruno at 10.