I think everyone realises that. The question is whether or not it is an appropriate rule now that VAR can be used to pick up even the faintest of touches. What advantage does a player gain from touching the ball twice in the same kicking motion?
That Alvarez penalty
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It could have been the right call but I don't believe VAR would have made the same call of the teams were reversed.
It was the right call. Having said that, if the shooter was Mbappe, Bellingham, Vinicius or Valverde, I'm certain the goal would have been valid.
I do not know what is this based on to be honest.
The referee/VAR made the decision favouring Atletico in the following plays:
No penalty for this foul of Galan on Rodrygo in the area
No penalty for Guiliano Simeones' handball
No penalty for this foul of Correa to Brahim in the area
And last but not least, no red card for Lenglet when fouling Mbappe in the area, when he is the last man and the French is about to face the goalkeeper.
I do not know what is this based on to be honest.
The referee/VAR made the decision favouring Atletico in the following plays:
No penalty for this foul of Galan on Rodrygo in the area
No penalty for Guiliano Simeones' handball
No penalty for this foul of Correa to Brahim in the area
And last but not least, no red card for Lenglet when fouling Mbappe in the area, when he is the last man and the French is about to face the goalkeeper.
It's based on decades of Real lobbying refs and officials to get favourable treatment. That tantrum regarding the Balon Dor was just the most obvious example. Real has a lot of influence in the Spanish media and uses that to get favourable treatment. Everyone knows it.
I won't argue with your examples because most Madrid fans seem to get their news from pro Marid media so I doubt you'd change your mind.
This is one of the weakest post I have seen in RedCafe in my entire life, and I have seen a few. Can you discuss a topic without using ad hominems as the rules of this forum recommend, or is it too much?
If you are so sure the officials/VAR have a clear bias over one of the teams, why didn't it show in any of the four plays I showed? Or is it your claim that all the four calls were the right ones?
Wow Palermo really had a thing with penalties in his career eh considering he missed 3 in one game.
Also scored a header from near the half way line.
I'm sure you knew already but I can never stop posting about those facts when I hear of his name.
I do not know what is this based on to be honest.
The referee/VAR made the decision favouring Atletico in the following plays:
No penalty for this foul of Galan on Rodrygo in the area
No penalty for Guiliano Simeones' handball
No penalty for this foul of Correa to Brahim in the area
And last but not least, no red card for Lenglet when fouling Mbappe in the area, when he is the last man and the French is about to face the goalkeeper.
Agree on Lenglet on Mbappe, although there is a covering defender which clouds the decision.
None of the others were close to penalties for me.
Not close?
Galan grabs Rodrygo by the arm, Giuliano's arm is well separated from his body and Correa steps on Brahim's foot.
I cannot imagine Sergio Ramos being the defender and fans being as generous as you.
Rodrygo doesn't get his body in front of Galan. He needs to get his body in front of Galan there to win the penalty. He tries his hardest and flings his arm across Galan. And then tries to throw his legs in front of Galan. It's a dive for me and in real time he simply looks outmuscled.
Brahim shows Correa the ball and he goes in and takes it. Stepping on his foot in that way is incidental as Correa already has his body in front of Brahim and is taking the ball away. In super slow-motion it might look he fouls and then takes the ball away. In real time I wouldn't expect a referee to give that.
It should have been a red, let's be serious for a minute. That defender is way too far to believe he could get back into the play without the foul
Which just goes to show the power of El Pupas. See, losing like this wouldn't have been devastating enough, so they got away with it, and then the Julain penalty happens
hahah yeap, he scored being injured against River with a late entrance, a half way line strike too, and so many great and bizarre plays with him...quite a character the lad.
Regarding the late discussion, both clubs are big and tend to have more calls on favour than others and between the two given Real it's bigger, they tend to have more on their way, yet that doesn't prevent to have awful calls against too.
This of course with our eyes closed since football as a whole is dirty as feck, yet big clubs fans (and clubs themselves) from around the globe should keep our mouths shut regarding calls, we can be feck up, yet m,ostly are on the beneficiary side.
This of course with our eyes closed since football as a whole is dirty as feck, yet big clubs fans (and clubs themselves) from around the globe should keep our mouths shut regarding calls, we can be feck up, yet m,ostly are on the beneficiary side.
I didn't use ad hominem. I said I doubt you'd change your mind. That's hardly unusual on a football forum.
It is an ad hominem when it dismisses an argument based on affiliations rather than engaging with the actual points the interlocutor is making.
If you are 100% sure all the four calls were the right ones and without a hint of controversy you can say it straight away. Don't be afraid to let us know what your view on things is.
I don't know, it was supposed to be a face emoji, at least that how it appeared to me. I have no clue why it appears that random emoji after I posted it hahaha.
Double tap is clear infraction of the rules. Alvarez did it. As such, it was not "it could have been", but "it was the right call". While the rest its just a the usual hyperbole, which completes a straw man.
At this point i doubt you would call a penalty for Madrid if Mbappe was missing half a limb out there. Probably would say something in the line:"Mbappe intentionally threw his legs there". He needs to put them accidentally there to win a penalty".
All i need to replay is decisions on Vinny, and what so called "pro-Madrid" refs are allowing opponents to do. Its absurd.
It isn't.
It was hardly a clear double tap. Real would have gotten the benefit of the doubt as refs know that giving a decision like that against them would have led to weeks of harassment, as it did with Bellingham.
Sure
Those four calls aren't clearly wrong. You think that because you're a Madrid fan.
Yet if the VAR would have made the opposite calls in the four examples, you would be saying
Well we'll never know.
Most football fans would agree that Real gets favourable calls.
What if you touch the ball with both feet at the same time? That looks like what maybe happened as he slipped into the ball with his left and kicked it with his right. If the contact with both feet happens between the two frames of the replay you wouldn't be able to tell if one foot hit it first or both at the same time.
You cannot be certain there was no advantage in this case since the ball went in. The goalie might have had it if it got diverted in the slightest, which I am sure it did. Odds are probably not, but again you cannot be sure.
That video, at around 40 seconds in or so, it's slowed enough to show the shuffle effect. There is no doubt at all in my mind (after seeing that) that he touched it twice.
There are other arguments to be had about how much it affected the kick in reality, whether it should be retaken etc.
As things stand though, this was the strict application of a rule, no different in my opinion to something like a player's shoulder being fractionally offside but his feet onside where he then scores with his feet. Ridiculous, but the rules.
Aye, agreed - it was pretty much a textbook example of what constitutes a red card in that scenario.It should have been a red, let's be serious for a minute. That defender is way too far to believe he could get back into the play without the foul
Which just goes to show the power of El Pupas. See, losing like this wouldn't have been devastating enough, so they got away with it, and then the Julain penalty happens
Sensational run from Mbappe.
This is it. Its a BS rule when applied to this sort of incident. Rules are there to stop people from doing certain things you don't want them to do. No one is going to start practicing the double touch penalty or the double touch corner/free kick. The handball rule has changed a dozen times over the past dozen seasons because they appreciate the fact its a subjective matter. This should be treated in exactly the same way. Try and use some common sense and appreciate there is a huge difference between someone actually touching the ball twice intentionally and someone doing what Alvarez did which was a complete accident.
If they want to be anal about it, allow them to take it again. If they want to be sensible, just say "yes he touched it twice but there was no intent penalty stands regardless of outcome".
But there is in fact doubt in a lot of people's minds, even after repeated views in slow motion "to show the shuttle effect". I completely accept that it's clear in your mind, but the point is that it really isn't that clear even after zooming in and then playing the video in slow-motion that the left foot ever touched the ball. And when there is that much doubt -- even if you put Alvarez under truth serum to get him to confess that his left foot did touch the ball -- it was an unreasonable call at that point in time that it was an illegally taken pk.
It doesn't really matter if there's doubt in peoples minds, or what I think for that matter, the only people that really mattered are the VARs I suppose, and they've seen the double touch and called it. I time stamped that video to show there was a double touch, which there definitely was.
I can't really do or say anything further on the matter so I'll leave it at that.
That is undeniably true.
The only person who mattered when Nani was sent off with a straight red card for a high boot in a CL match against Real Madrid and thus it logically follows that Cuneyt Cakir got the decision, right? If the referee believes he is right, he is therefore right -- so it seems -- and global opinion is irrelevant. Well, it is irrelevant in the sense that that decision stands no less than the decision that Scholes was called offside v Porto, but that fact alone doesn't make either referee decision less daft.
The fact that you had to zoom in and watch it in slow motion really does say it all that it was not a clear and obvious error by the referee when he initially counted the goal as lawfully scored.
I have a youtube video for you -- I have no idea how to clip and paste the frame at 1:37 -- that makes it clear that it is unclear that Alvarez did in fact touch the ball twice. He may have, but this video leaves any honest viewer that it is clearly unclear. Had there been topspin on the ball it would have been clear beyond any doubt, but there was no topspin on the ball, leaving only speculation and not certainty that Alvarez touched the ball twice.
In any other sport where people don't let rules get in the way of reason, this stupid rule would have been amended the week after the match
Not sure why people are still arguing about this and bringing up irrelevant videos
Here you go. This is the footage VAR used
Here you go. This is the footage VAR used