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Thankfully all the 'fans' can do is vent on the internet with zero impact at the football club. They have even begun scraping the barrel and accusing match going fans of some kind of treason because they are supporting Ole. :lol:
A 1/4th full Old Trafford looked pretty impactful to me.
 

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Which is why I'm curious. Generally they say, Poch is a loser has never won a trophy. Okay Allegri then? No shit defensive football, we don't want that. Conte? Same. Nagellsmann never heard of him.

Im geniuenly curious which managers apart from Ole they actually rate as fit for us.
There is a thread on this forum - only a few days old - with lots of replies.
Both Conte and Nagellsmann are VERY highly rated in that thread.
Conte does seem to get good results, fast.
 

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Clearly, you do not want to know, so I am not even going to bother getting the stats
I know the stats. 1.4 conceded per game last season. 1.2 so far this season. But we scored 1.7 per game last season, and so far this season we're only managing 1.4.

We've also rapidly become one of the worst sides at defending set pieces this season despite spending £80m on someone generally regarded as the second most aerially dominant CB in the league after VVD.
 

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I know the stats. 1.4 conceded per game last season. 1.2 so far this season. But we scored 1.7 per game last season, and so far this season we're only managing 1.4.

We've also rapidly become one of the worst sides at defending set pieces this season despite spending £80m on someone generally regarded as the second most aerially dominant CB in the league after VVD.
So what you are saying is our defence has improved. If only Ole was backed with attacking talent he wanted too.... Everyman and his dog knew we needed at least one top class attacking midfielder and a striker not just a squad winger.
 

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Our inability to defend set-plays is the thing that obviously stands out for me. Having a quick look at things, i think there's only three teams in the whole league who has conceded less goal than us (Liverpool, Leicester and Sheffield United), so from that perspective we're doing fine.

But the last time i checked, we were level with some other team for conceding the most goals from set-plays. It's obviously a massive problem and one that doesn't seem to be getting rectified.
 

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Our inability to defend set-plays is the thing that obviously stands out for me. Having a quick look at things, i think there's only three teams in the whole league who has conceded less goal than us (Liverpool, Leicester and Sheffield United), so from that perspective we're doing fine.

But the last time i checked, we were level with some other team for conceding the most goals from set-plays. It's obviously a massive problem and one that doesn't seem to be getting rectified.
Till we replace De Gea who stays on his line like a Lemon we won't.
 

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There is a thread on this forum - only a few days old - with lots of replies.
Both Conte and Nagellsmann are VERY highly rated in that thread.
Conte does seem to get good results, fast.
But are the Ole in fans also posting in it?
 

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So what you are saying is our defence has improved. If only Ole was backed with attacking talent he wanted too.... Everyman and his dog knew we needed at least one top class attacking midfielder and a striker not just a squad winger.
Our defence has marginally improved statistically by the whole team being set up more defensively. Than Mourinho. In meltdown mode.
 

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I know the stats. 1.4 conceded per game last season. 1.2 so far this season. But we scored 1.7 per game last season, and so far this season we're only managing 1.4.

We've also rapidly become one of the worst sides at defending set pieces this season despite spending £80m on someone generally regarded as the second most aerially dominant CB in the league after VVD.
It's not just the stats though is it? We seem to be able to withstand pressure better this season. Defending also comes from the whole team, not just the defenders. We need better protection for our CB's.

I agree with that point, there is no way we should be this poor at set pieces. How we are this bad is beyond me.
 

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Till we replace De Gea who stays on his line like a Lemon we won't.
That's definitely an issue with De Gea. It's not just limited to set-plays, either. His reticence to come off his line in open play is also an issue. Many times he could've come out and alleviated the situation with a simple punt up field or out of play, but he often leaves it to the defenders to sort out. It has never been a strong point to his game, and he seemingly hasn't worked on it either.

Although, our problems at set-plays are not only down to him. It's a collective issue.
 

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That's definitely an issue with De Gea. It's not just limited to set-plays, either. His reticence to come off his line in open play is also an issue. Many times he could've come out and alleviated the situation with a simple punt up field or out of play, but he often leaves it to the defenders to sort out. It has never been a strong point to his game, and he seemingly hasn't worked on it either.

Although, our problems at set-plays are not only down to him. It's a collective issue.

Here's one.
None of our players seem to work on their weak points. Ever. Pick any current player and a weakness and fans have been talking about it for a long time. It strengthens my belief that our coaching is shockingly poor. If they ARE trying and the player isn't absorbing, drop him.
 

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Here's one.
None of our players seem to work on their weak points. Ever. Pick any current player and a weakness and fans have been talking about it for a long time. It strengthens my belief that our coaching is shockingly poor. If they ARE trying and the player isn't absorbing, drop him.
I’ve talked about our coaching before on this forum. For all of the Ole in or Ole out, we need to seriously look at the coaching staff. Carrick and McKenna have been here under other managerial regimes, and our football has not progressed in any of them. We have one-off games where we perform “tactical masterclasses” (as that’s the phrase people like to use when an underdog beats the favourites), but the football, for the most part, is still directionless.

I just don’t see why they’re still around, tbh. People can harp on all day about how McKenna is supposedly well respected and highly thought of, but he hasn’t fecking shown it here. Ditto for Carrick.
 

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I just don’t see why they’re still around, tbh. People can harp on all day about how McKenna is supposedly well respected and highly thought of, but he hasn’t fecking shown it here
I read something last week that the players feel McKenna's training sessions are too easy and simple.

He also seems to have Ole's ear, the annoying thing is even in game management, we see nothing from Ole to change patterns during a game.

If we are drawing or losing, it is all predictable, Lingard on for Perreira. Greenwood on the right for James on the 80th minute.

How do you expect a player to learn when you bring them on whenever we are losing or looking for a goal?

Because when we are 1-0 we play conservative football.
 

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I’ve talked about our coaching before on this forum. For all of the Ole in or Ole out, we need to seriously look at the coaching staff. Carrick and McKenna have been here under other managerial regimes, and our football has not progressed in any of them. We have one-off games where we perform “tactical masterclasses” (as that’s the phrase people like to use when an underdog beats the favourites), but the football, for the most part, is still directionless.

I just don’t see why they’re still around, tbh. People can harp on all day about how McKenna is supposedly well respected and highly thought of, but he hasn’t fecking shown it here. Ditto for Carrick.
If this club is to progress, if/when Ole goes the LOT of them go. We will not go anywhere continuing to give jobs to underqualified boys just because they have history with the club. Rip up the script and modernise the lot.
 
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Ole is the worst manager in the EPL.
Any manager in the EPL will improve us. So that's 18 managers of rival teams who would do a better job.
Though we shouldn't just pick "any" manager, though, because Ole is setting the bar exremely low (I doubt even a Championship side would take him as their manager).
Poch is the popular choice, but to be honest, the board could simply hire 1-2 recruiters and ask them to create a short list and run through CVs of suitable managers. If I was appointed into this role, it wouldn't take me long to have a shortlist of 10 candidates, who I would present to the MUFC board. I'll do plenty of research into their backgrounds, playing styles, budgets, experience of countries/leagues, languages spoken, trophy counts, etc. The board can then reduce my shortlist to 5, say. I would then start contacting these managers to find out if they are interested and setting up informal interviews, which Woodward can have with them.

It really does not take a genius to work these things out.
The problem is that our club is ran poorly (with little to no planning), so to do something like this may seem like rocket science.
Ok, i'd love to read your shortlist of 10 available managers you think could do better than Ole...
 

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I read something last week that the players feel McKenna's training sessions are too easy and simple.

He also seems to have Ole's ear, the annoying thing is even in game management, we see nothing from Ole to change patterns during a game.

If we are drawing or losing, it is all predictable, Lingard on for Perreira. Greenwood on the right for James on the 80th minute.

How do you expect a player to learn when you bring them on whenever we are losing or looking for a goal?

Because when we are 1-0 we play conservative football.

Yeah i think i read a similar thing. What's frustrating is that they seem to be getting a free pass. All the heat is on the manager (whether it's Ole, or Jose, or whoever), and that's fair enough to a certain extent 'cause a manager will always take the brunt of it but, as i said, our football is the same: It has no cohesion, no direction, no pattern. Whether you think Ole is the man or not (i don't think he is, personally), for me this needs some serious investigating. This season is not an anomaly. It's a pattern that we've seen for a couple of seasons, under the same coaching staff.
 

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Yeah i think i read a similar thing. What's frustrating is that they seem to be getting a free pass. All the heat is on the manager (whether it's Ole, or Jose, or whoever), and that's fair enough to a certain extent 'cause a manager will always take the brunt of it but, as i said, our football is the same: It has no cohesion, no direction, no pattern. Whether you think Ole is the man or not (i don't think he is, personally), for me this needs some serious investigating. This season is not an anomaly. It's a pattern that we've seen for a couple of seasons, under the same coaching staff.
I agree, Rashford finally seems to have improved this season, but the likes of Martial, Pogba, Lingard, DDG, Shaw have not improved like you would expect them to.
 

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Big feckin Sam
He said available. Are you suggesting all we need to do is wag our little finger and the likes of Tuchel and Rodgers would immedaitely come running?
 

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Every single one is SPOT ON pal. Big Sam would be the pits but equally defensive as underdog Ole and would at least solidify us defensively..... he's made numerous relegation fodder into defensive juggernauts.
 

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He said available. Are you suggesting all we need to do is wag our little finger and the likes of Tuchel and Rodgers would immedaitely come running?
Klopp and Pep would never be available to us for obvious reasons but as for the rest, throw enough money their way and make them the right promises and it would be amazing the amount of doors that could open.

Every single one is SPOT ON pal. Big Sam would be the pits but equally defensive as underdog Ole and would at least solidify us defensively..... he's made numerous relegation fodder into defensive juggernauts.
I included big Sam because as bad as he is he's still better than Ole.
 

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I agree, Rashford finally seems to have improved this season, but the likes of Martial, Pogba, Lingard, DDG, Shaw have not improved like you would expect them to.
To be fair Jesus Christ himself couldnt get a turn out of Lingard or Shaw and Pobga has been injured all season
 

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That's definitely an issue with De Gea. It's not just limited to set-plays, either. His reticence to come off his line in open play is also an issue. Many times he could've come out and alleviated the situation with a simple punt up field or out of play, but he often leaves it to the defenders to sort out. It has never been a strong point to his game, and he seemingly hasn't worked on it either.

Although, our problems at set-plays are not only down to him. It's a collective issue.
Not so fussed with him 'in play' as we want defenders good enough to play their way out of trouble and only put the ball out as a last resort but a bit more talking from him definitely would help, a simple "time you've got this" or "GET RID FFS" would do.
 

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Not so fussed with him 'in play' as we want defenders good enough to play their way out of trouble and only put the ball out as a last resort but a bit more talking from him definitely would help, a simple "time you've got this" or "GET RID FFS" would do.
When i say in play, i mean coming out as a sweeper (à la Ederson). He needs to add that to his game. It's not about the defence being able to play their way out of trouble or not, it's about reading the game and helping out. A long ball over the top from the opposition team that has the potential to cause chaos, could be easily remedied if he just read the game better and came out and cleared the danger.

It's something that he simply has to work on.
 

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When i say in play, i mean coming out as a sweeper (à la Ederson). He needs to add that to his game. It's not about the defence being able to play their way out of trouble or not, it's about reading the game and helping out. A long ball over the top from the opposition team that has the potential to cause chaos, could be easily remedied if he just read the game better and came out and cleared the danger.

It's something that he simply has to work on.
There's a few things he has to work on to be considered one of the all time greats, but that's for another time, and another thread.
 

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He has not had one full season. Pathetic.
Yeah these upcoming 3 months are going to be different than the entire year he had managed the club in.

Then after this season ends the excuse will shift to : "He needs another full season", right ?
 

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"He inherited a horror squad".

No. No, he didn't. For reasons that have already been pointed out to you.
Well if it was pointed out to me by the slavering masses that can't even give a manager a whole season then who am I to argue. If the squad was so good can you explain why we have not had a single title challenge since SAF left with some of the most experienced and decorated managers.

It is beyond parody that anyone thinks our squad has been United standard at any point in Ole tenure, let alone the previous 3 managers. The reason that were pointed out were garbage much like a lot of our squad. Give me one lineup Ole could have put out that you feel could mount a serious title challenge, It's Friday I could do with a giggle.
 

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Well if it was pointed out to me by the slavering masses that can't even give a manager a whole season then who am I to argue. If the squad was so good can you explain why we have not had a single title challenge since SAF left with some of the most experienced and decorated managers.

It is beyond parody that any thinks our squad has been United standard at any point in Ole tenure, let alone the previous 3 managers. The reason that were pointed out were garbage much like a lot of our squad. Give me one lineup Ole could have put out that you feel could mount a serious title challenge, It's Friday I could do with a giggle.
No one is asking for a title challenge though. You're making up points here.
 

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Well if it was pointed out to me by the slavering masses that can't even give a manager a whole season then who am I to argue. If the squad was so good can you explain why we have not had a single title challenge since SAF left with some of the most experienced and decorated managers.

It is beyond parody that any thinks our squad has been United standard at any point in Ole tenure, let alone the previous 3 managers. The reason that were pointed out were garbage much like a lot of our squad. Give me one lineup Ole could have put out that you feel could mount a serious title challenge, It's Friday I could do with a giggle.
Just re read some of your own posts in here.

Fact. That squad finished 2nd mere months before. Calling it a horror squad is moronic.
 
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He said available. Are you suggesting all we need to do is wag our little finger and the likes of Tuchel and Rodgers would immedaitely come running?
Spot on.

Everyone can name managers - but all these people wanting Ole out fail to accept that the vast majority of the names they band around are not available.