You know, if you'd just concede that you made a huge exaggeration you wouldn't have to keep making these feeble attempts at moving the goal posts. It's embarrassing.
Yes you are making points up. No one asked for a title challenge. We were just asking for top 4 ahead of Leicester whom we bought their best defender and Chelsea who spent feck all last 2 windows and lost their best player, beside just playing good football regularly. Both targets are totally achievable.
Not available? Managers switch clubs all the time. Was Rodgers unavailable when Leicester got him?
I think it is too early. He should get a full season and then judge against his targets. We have had a horror month (not alone) the amount of fixtures given our lack of squad depth and quality (Can I say that or is it really awesome?) means we are playing catch up but we are not too badly positioned considering the shocking injuries, if we get top four or win Europa like Jose did it should grant Ole more time.
You're talking about "full season" as if it's a long time. There're only 3 months remaining in his first full season, 13 league matches only. We won 9 out of our first 25 games, how many are you expecting us to win out of the remaining 13 ?
Because Ole is at the Wheel!
6th with José trying to get himself sacked. Now 8th with Ole doing his best.
Not sure about the Arteta and Mourinho example. They got the job midseason. Remember we didn't sack Ole when we finished 6th last season because he got it midseason too. The problem is after a full summer and more months in and there's zero improvement in our play, results or quality of the squad. As for Lampard he's currently 4th. As I said, all we wanted was a solid top 4 finish and good football regularly, hardly non achievable with the current squad, considering the state of our opponents. Most were thinking Chelsea are totally fecked up this season after the transfer ban and losing Hazard plus getting a rookie manager, and we're still behind them by 6 points gab.
Anybody with a pair of eyes can see that this is not about team chemistry, its about a lack of system.
Available also means wanting to manage us.
Hang on, you're arguing that managers don't want to manage Manchester United?
Other than Liverpool and City I’m curious to know who you think have a better squad than Utd?
Well going through this thread people are saying we need a 'top' manager of the standard of pep, klopp, allegri, tuchel etc - top tier managers are taking other jobs, highlighted 3 years ago when pep and klopp declined United. And we're less likely to bag top calibre now than then.
Chelsea and Spurs. For a start.
That will be a step up from Ole anyway. A decent manager is better than a terrible one.
This is correct, look at Busby and Fergie, they built a system starting from the schoolboys through the senior youth side, the reserves and first team. They had the all these players playing the same way so they developed, and when they stepped up a grade it was the same way of playing and if they made the first team they knew how it functioned. All they had to do was perfect their individual skills and develop physically.
Busby and Fergie didn't achieve that in 12-18 months.
You will be surprised how much the club spends on understanding people's views on social media, forums, chat rooms, etc. They won't fire Ole based on those views but it definitely goes as a negative against him. If too many negatives pile up the decision becomes easier.Thankfully all the 'fans' can do is vent on the internet with zero impact at the football club. They have even begun scraping the barrel and accusing match going fans of some kind of treason because they are supporting Ole.
Maybe there’s been a realisation at Board level that every time we sack a manager we slip even further away from where we want to be?
To me it's very simple. The rebuild Ole is praised for will still carry on if we get Pochettino who is our most likely candidate and is a better coach than Ole(I'm sure you agree with this) . Or do you think we will stop promoting youth under Pochettino who is known for doing just that? Or clearing deadwood under Pochettino who is doesn't waste time to sell bad players? Or stop recruiting young, hungry, talented players when Pochettino actually wanted Bruno, AWB and Grealish (summer target) at Tottenham?
Is that even true @Lentwood?
That wasn't the case at the start of summer or the end of the transfer window. And Spurs form in 2019 should see everyone question the claim that they unequivocally have/had a better team. Personally I believed and still believe that the teams from 3rd to 6th are very close in terms of squad strength and that the main differentiators are the manager and health.
So far the club can realise that as soon we appoint the least capable manager we fall back even further - Moyes, Ole.
Chelsea have a strong core of experienced talent such as Pedro, Willian, Kante, Jorginho, Giroud, Azpilicuetta, Alonso, Barkley - this strong core allows their talented young players not to have to carry the team (unlike United).
What is amazing is that you name numerous bang average players, guys that don't play and a couple of very good players to make your point. I may as well name Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Matic, Fred, De Gea, Maguire, Wan Bissaka, Shaw, McTominay, Mata, they are the same caliber of players than the one you just mentioned for Spurs and Chelsea.
Did Moyes finish his season? That’s news for me?
Kante, Son, Pedro, Willian, Moura, Kane, Vertonghen, Jorginho, alderweireld, Alonso, Barkley
You are still mentioning players that barely play or that are bang average and you still selectively ignore our best players. Have a look at how many minutes Barkley and Pedro played, also have a look at how dodgy thoses defenders that you mentioned have been in the last 18 months.
So you decided to remove our best players but include the opposition best players to make some kind of a point
You know Allegri is available, right?
If you read my post properly I talk about managers either being unavailable and managers offering no certainty that those available would actually improve United.
You know carlo fecking ancelotti is managing everton fc right?
He made his point perfectly respectfully and reasonably. If it was said in the pub you wouldn’t bat an eyelid, and yet you deem the conversation bad enough that you make the point of ‘putting him on ignore’? It’s become an increasingly shit feature of the ‘caf that posters feel the need to announce when they’re putting someone on ignore. Why? We’re all United fans supporting the same cause (unless you’re an oppo, obviously). I can sort of see it in extreme instances but this was a normal interaction.
If you're Ole in and you can't argue in support of him without bringing up Busby, Fergie or Klopp, I've no interest in what you have to say. That nonsense has been torpedoed a million times in a million threads already. It's completely asinine.
Just like some supporters who put the players before the club I see a lot of Ole supporters that put him before the club. I’m not so sure they are united supporters rather than ole supporters who are ok with the club plummeting even more but keeping Ole in charge.
You have got to be kidding, right?
You must have some United friends/family/coworkers etc. that put more stock into the romantic and sentimental line of argument than most, though. My dad is a bit like that, though I wouldn’t want to put him on ignore (maybe occasionally, but not because of his footballing opinions).
Rubbish. I have a friend that’s only now starting to accept that Ole might have to go. He’s as passionate as anyone about seeing United do well. He just happens to have a different opinion and a belief about what we should do to make things right.
That's the spirit!
