The addition of a new assistant coach

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I feel if Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is to succeed at this club we need to hire a new talented and knowledgeable assistant coach, preferably from outside this country to add a wider array of knowledge to this coaching staff. We have seen many other managers take this route and see an improvement in their teams playing style and game results. I feel Mike Phelen, Michael Carrick and Keiren McKenna all lack a certain qualities and it really shows especially when we have an inexperienced manager plus we could do with some new ideas on how to approach specific games. Thoughts?

(By the way, I'm of the opinion that Ole doesn't seem to be good enough to manage this club but it is also clear that he isn't going anywhere soon so this is merely just a suggestion to help improve our current situation.)
 
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Yeah, just like Sir Alex brought in Quieroz to handle the big games in Europe, we need an assistant to help us with the small games.
 

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How about we just get the new managers assistant coach. I don’t know when the co pilot became more important than the pilot.
 

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We've already got like 4, if the current lot aren't enough then we need to be looking elsewhere.
 

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Ole definitely needs more expertise in that coaching staff. Of course better players will improve the team and the tactical fluidity, but this is also a coaching issue.
 

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With all due respect to OGS, what amazing coach is going to want to be a deputy to someone who’s spent most of their career in Norwegian football? I mean there could be someone buried away somewhere but it’ll be amazing if you could find that someone, and that someone can elevate us higher.

McKenna is supposedly highly rated at youth level for us and previously Spurs.
 

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Surely Phelan has the right creds, SAF didnt mess about if it wasnt right, he wouldnt have had him as assistant if he wasnt up to it? Even Carrick, whilst he's inexperienced he's played at the top level with the worlds best coaches, he's no mug.

For a different thread but I always thought that had Moyes kept all the backroom staff he'd have done ok, so i agree its important to get this right.
 

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Surely Phelan has the right creds, SAF didnt mess about if it wasnt right, he wouldnt have had him as assistant if he wasnt up to it? Even Carrick, whilst he's inexperienced he's played at the top level with the worlds best coaches, he's no mug.

For a different thread but I always thought that had Moyes kept all the backroom staff he'd have done ok, so i agree its important to get this right.
This is just mental
 

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Can't see Ole hiring his own queiroz. We seem bent on keeping it within the United fabric and our ex-players and staff all seem to lack imagination
 

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Surely Phelan has the right creds, SAF didnt mess about if it wasnt right, he wouldnt have had him as assistant if he wasnt up to it? Even Carrick, whilst he's inexperienced he's played at the top level with the worlds best coaches, he's no mug.

For a different thread but I always thought that had Moyes kept all the backroom staff he'd have done ok, so i agree its important to get this right.
Phelan was incredibly unpopular on here back then. Was a bit of a scapegoat as his tenure coincided with one of our most unimaginative periods of football in a decade. If he has any ideas he sure as hell hasn't yet shown them in his time with Ole and SAF combined
 

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It might be tricky though to hire someone with strong ideas and valuable experience as it might upset that coaching dynamic that's already here - which is very limited in terms of experience or success.

Have either Carrick or McKenna ever done interviews that give any hint to what their approach is?
 

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Been saying this for a while and I agree. People seem to think that the manager does absolutely everything, it’s simply not true.
 

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Without knowing how much Ole delegates to his coaches, there's no way any of can say that what they're doing is sub par. Kieran McKenna seemed very highly rated when we brought him in, and Mike Phelan has been a part of some very successful teams here working with the greatest manager ever. If we can't beat an underpeforming Everton or newly promoted Aston Villa at home, then that's not because we don't have a good #2. It's on the manager and the players. The former is largely unproven and inexperienced, and the squad is young, threadbare and of questionable quality overall.
 

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Without knowing how much Ole delegates to his coaches, there's no way any of can say that what they're doing is sub par. Kieran McKenna seemed very highly rated when we brought him in, and Mike Phelan has been a part of some very successful teams here working with the greatest manager ever. If we can't beat an underpeforming Everton or newly promoted Aston Villa at home, then that's not because we don't have a good #2. It's on the manager and the players. The former is largely unproven and inexperienced, and the squad is young, threadbare and of questionable quality overall.
I understand what you are saying but I feel our backroom staff is very 'English' based and by that I mean the majority of them only are really only familiar with the English game. Of course Ole has worked in Norway but that is no where near the standard of this league, I can't help but feel bringing someone in from another high level league in another country could offer a different approach and incite into how we play. I'm pretty sure that is why Fergie brought in Carlos and of course we have Jose bringing in a young coach from the continent to help improve the football being player at Tottenham.
 

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Ole has gotta forget the old boys thing with Carrick & Phelan and tell the board he needs better coaching staff around him, he needs some new ideas in his backroom team and to hear different voices because this team just doesn't have any effect in games like we saw today.
 

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I feel if Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is to succeed at this club we need to hire a new talented and knowledgeable assistant coach, preferably from outside this country to add a wider array of knowledge to this coaching staff. We have seen many other managers take this route and see an improvement in their teams playing style and game results. I feel Mike Phelen, Michael Carrick and Keiren McKenna all lack a certain qualities and it really shows especially when we have an inexperienced manager plus we could do with some new ideas on how to approach specific games. Thoughts?

(By the way, I'm of the opinion that Ole doesn't seem to be good enough to manage this club but it is also clear that he isn't going anywhere soon so this is merely just a suggestion to help improve our current situation.)
Sorry but the three lads you mention have probably forgot more about football and tactics than you or I will ever know, and I know everything.
 

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Isn't Neil Wood highly regarded as someone with high knowledge of sports science? why do relocate him for the main team?
 

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Let him fix the areas we need to on the pitch over the next few transfer windows first. We need a creative midfielder and a striker asap. Right now the best coaches in the world would have issues with the lack of creativity from our midfield against teams defending in numbers. We also don't have a number 9, a true number 9. Both Rash and Martial can play there but it's not a perfect fit for either them.Those 2 positions alone upgraded in our team would make a huge difference.
 

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Almost everything. Your expertise on the life, times and footballing qualities of Roy Maurice Keane is questionable. But other than that - yeah.

Anyway, the thread/OP: yeah, no. We wait until Pogba's back and/or someone is purchased in January - and take it from there. If Ole himself isn't up to scratch, it won't matter much. You don't hire excellent assistants with particular strengths for sub-par managers - that really makes no sense.

Carlos Q was a specialist who worked very well under one of the best managers in history. The latter part was key, though, not the former.
 

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Those 2 positions alone upgraded in our team would make a huge difference.
It obviously would, yes.

The idea that you can "coach" the current options into becoming vastly different players in terms of what they actually bring to the table is - I don't know, bizarre. We simply don't have the tools to play a certain way effectively and consistently - it's blatantly clear.

If you think there's a master tactician out there who's capable of implementing "patterns of play" involving Lingard, Pereira and whoever to a degree which would make us deal easily with certain teams, then by all means - get Woody on the blower asap.
 

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I love how fans can guess at how good a coach is or isn't without a) any professional coaching experience themselves and/or b) actually seen these people coaching the players.

I must admit they seem like an uninspiring bunch when the camera pans on them every 3 fecking minutes but what does everyone expect? Constant tactical adjustments from all 4 men on the sideline?
 

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I like to get a well respected continental coach as an assistant who can bring in more ideas, I am surprised we haven't done this atleast at our academy level.

Comes to coaching department, We are bit sentimental by giving more chances to our ex players like Carrick, Butt etc.
 

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I like to get a well respected continental coach as an assistant who can bring in more ideas, I am surprised we haven't done this atleast at our academy level.

Comes to coaching department, We are bit sentimental by giving more chances to our ex players like Carrick, Butt etc.
I was thinking about this recently.

Another factor is that Phelan, the current assistant manager, is Mr Manchester United. United is his DNA. Then Carrick and McKenna are young coaches learning through the club. Solskjaer also has done his coaching through this club. Tunnel vision may become a factor eventually.

It would be nice to get someone with a bit of experience of modern European football to bring some new ideas. I remember Ferguson talking about Quieroz and saying he brought new ideas in that helped us in the Champions League.
 

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I was thinking about this recently.

Another factor is that Phelan, the current assistant manager, is Mr Manchester United. United is his DNA. Then Carrick and McKenna are young coaches learning through the club. Solskjaer also has done his coaching through this club. Tunnel vision may become a factor eventually.

It would be nice to get someone with a bit of experience of modern European football to bring some new ideas. I remember Ferguson talking about Quieroz and saying he brought new ideas in that helped us in the Champions League.
This is a great statement. Tunnel vision do happen and I see that happening now.
Look at the way we play and you can see that.
It's not only tunnel vision but our corners and set pieces. Some think it's beneath a club like Manchester United to work on corners. Teams like Ajax and the Dutch national teams under Rinus Michels and Arigo Sacchi's Milan worked on their corners a lot too. So it's not only a big Sam team that practices corners.
I would like to see a foreign coach with a bit of experience come into the coaching set up. I also would like a defensive coach too.
 

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Assistants are overrated anyway.

Klopp lost Buvac and proceed with no problem, while Mourinho parted away with Faria, recruited new assistants, but nothing changed in his approach and tactics
 

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Assistants are overrated anyway.

Klopp lost Buvac and proceed with no problem, while Mourinho parted away with Faria, recruited new assistants, but nothing changed in his approach and tactics
Many have argued that Faria leaving at the end of the 17/18 season is a factor in us looking dreadful at the start of 18/19 and why Mou got the sack in the end. Maybe he was a Mou-whisperer to keep him sane and not go to war with the club.

Could also be a coincidence.
 

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I actually agree.

Someone with different ideas and approaches who can give us another dimension without having an ego and uprooting the progress we're making.

No idea how you go about finding that person though. There aren't exactly scouts on the job.
 

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Assistants are overrated anyway.

Klopp lost Buvac and proceed with no problem, while Mourinho parted away with Faria, recruited new assistants, but nothing changed in his approach and tactics
Actually they're usually the ones who actually take training these days.

The managers are usually busy doing other things, they leave their assistants to do most of the day to day ball work.

Fergie used to leave it to Meulensteen and Phelan, and i'm pretty sure Ole lets Mckenna do most of the first team sessions and concentrates mainly on the forwards.
 

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Assistants are overrated anyway.

Klopp lost Buvac and proceed with no problem, while Mourinho parted away with Faria, recruited new assistants, but nothing changed in his approach and tactics
You know Sir Alex didn't regularly take training and placed absolutely massive emphasis on who his assistants were?

You have examples there but it works both ways. Brian Clough was nothing without Peter Taylor.

They're key.
 

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There appears to be enough staff with Phelan, McKenna, Carrick and a goal keeping coach. I'd think Carrick works a lot with the midfielders, Solskjær with the forwards and McKenna is highly rated.

If they want to dig in deeper, they could start hiring specialists for set pieces and throw-ins like Klopp did.
 

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I did see someone float a rumour a few matches before the end of season that Phelan might be returning back to Oceania this summer.
If that's the case I don't know if we bring in someone to directly replace him, or promote Carrick to be Ole's right hand and buddy traveling around with him, and then hire a technical coach to take over Carrick's current responsibilities?