The Athletic “gutting” British newspapers

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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Hell of a lot of change, all at once. Consequence of “traditional” newspapers running out of cash?
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    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    I'm more interested in how The Athletic thinks they're going to make a profit?
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    Drainy Full Member

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    Journos desperate to get out of doing Sunday Supplement
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Art Vandelay Full Member

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    It's pay to read, but I don't see people following journalists and paying to read their content. The papers will just replace them with others and life will go on.
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    DWelbz19 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    That’s quite a list they’ve got there. I don’t know who’s paying subscriptions to read sports journalism, though. Is that something people still do?
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Yeah they’re all pretty generic and interchangeable. I’d say only Barney Ronay, Jonathan Liew and Ken Early are good enough writers that I’d choose to read their stuff purely because their name is on the byline.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    The Athletic have pretty good articles when it comes to American sports, so it's kind of tempting.
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    These football journos overvalue their worth, very self-important at these levels, a lot of ego and desire for recognition. I’m sure the publications will replace them with budding young writers and thrive.

    I read so much sports writing but I really do reserve some special hatred for the bulk of their profession. The way they feel entitled to narrate and critique but most ain’t even half qualified to be given such platforms and amplification of their shite opinions.
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    RobbieBerns New Member

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    Over here in the US, The Athletic has taken over by storm. I can’t speak on their coverage of other sports, but they more or less snatched up all of the premier NHL hockey journalists. I’m a subscriber and can tell you that the coverage difference is night in and day. Long gone are the boring and personality lacking book report style reporting you normally see in sports journalism.

    On the other hand, you can almost always find a heavily discounted subscription deal floating around online, so I do wonder if they’re struggling to hit the subscription numbers they were initially hoping to hit over here.
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    Kag Full Member

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    George Caulkin and Daniel Taylor are brilliant journalists.

    If you haven’t read Caulkin’s work then give it a go; he’s wonderful. Taylor’s work surrounding sexual abuse has been phenomenal, too.

    Some big hitters lost there.
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    Champagne Football Full Member

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    Shouldn't be too hard for British newspapers to replace them.
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    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    Rebuilding. :drool:
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    duffer Sensible and not a complete jerk like most oppo's Scout

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    I can't remember the last time I read a newspaper. Do people still buy them?
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    Ducklegs Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    Nobody is paying to read a football website.

    Have these people not heard of Youtube?

    Some random dude pays £4, then aggregates all the bullshit together in one 10 minute video and viola, your website is down the shitter inside a year.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Except if they actually produce the type of content which is lacking in traditional sport journalism, I don't expect them to just churn out the same crap
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    I was gifted a subscription to The Athletic a couple of years ago and now keep it up myself. They've done a similar thing with American sports - hoovering up all the best writers for each of the big sports here (NFL, MLB, NHL, and NBA). Their NBA coverage is both broad and incredibly detailed, which is what really sold me on the site. It will be interesting to see how their "Soccer" coverage improves and expands after these acquisitions. I don't know if they'll ever get the readership to justify spending the money on all these journos, but if the quality is anywhere near their output for the NBA and MLB, it should be very good.
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    They signed a lot of big name NFL writers, but I have never been tempted to pay for their content
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    100,000 subscribers isn't a lot
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    Art Vandelay Full Member

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    I'd say the vast majority of people will never know, partly because they don't care who the journalist is and partly because they won't pay a subscription to find out if it's any better.
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    duffer Sensible and not a complete jerk like most oppo's Scout

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    I should charge people to read my incredible insight on here.
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    Nick7 Full Member

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    I'd be shocked if they got that number for football coverage alone. I don't see many people over this side of the Atlantic paying for it.
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    ATXRedDevil Full Member

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    The Athletic is a great publication for US sports. 4 pounds/$5 a month is peanuts. I'm considering doing it. Hell, I pay $10/month for a website/forum that covers recruiting for my alma mater.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    I'm interested if you provide behind the scene content.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    100,000 people, they don't need the vast majority to be successful.
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    duffer Sensible and not a complete jerk like most oppo's Scout

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    I'll just make it up like most of the hacks listed in the OP.
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    mu4c_20le Full Member

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    They also provide lots of stats and depth charts, right? Thats what most people who subscribe to them tend to rave about. I'd imagine that it's invaluable for their fantasy teams.
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    Wumminator The Special One!

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    5th August it launches. Some massive names and podcasts coming as well. Massively high profile journalists and fantastic quality articles.
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    I agree with your general point, but for me seeing Ronay's name makes me far, far less likely to read an article as I know it'll be low on insight and heavy on laboured and supposedly hilarious extended metaphor - his one trick that he uses in every article. I view him less as a journalist than as a sports humourist.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Hmmm....
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    We should turn the caf into a subscription site

    We could offer great content such as The People's Brendan special hour, featuring @SteveJ, the book of kopites, the redcafe transfer muppet ITK worldwide reknown news source for such as the daily express, the Ed Woodward, moron or visionary genius? Special, the Messi vs Ronaldo bloodbath, now with complementary fries!, and such and such...
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    Rado_N Yaaas Broncos!

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    I really hate the way football writers think they're a part of the story these days.
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    SilentWitness ShoelessWitness Staff

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    The way the world is going that everyone now wants to get paid for what they post. I'm excited for the days when Instagram and twitter cost money to follow certain people. That will be fun.

    I'd be interested to know how much money papers like the Telegraph make from subscriptions? I know one person that does and they just send us the text of the articles anyway. I didn't realise for sport people like to read in depth stuff fully. Usually i just take the key points aka he scores a lot of goals, who won, how much will they cost, when are we playing.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    I know there's a United fan who subscribes to The Times and posts the United related articles on twitter (writtenoff_mufc). Don't think he's done it in a while, whether that is because it is the off-season or The Times tracked him down and told him to stop it/cancelled his subscription I'm not sure.
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    Charlie Foley Full Member

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    Daniel Taylor is pretty good but I agree with your general point. Is anyone paying to read Amy Lawrence?

    If someone like Michael Cox or Johnathan Wilson do a lot of research and write a book I might buy that. And I like Sid Lowe a lot too.
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    Charlie Foley Full Member

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    Yeah I’ve gone off Ronay, and I once considered him very good. The breaking point for me actually was the Guardian podcast when we beat Spurs in the semi final and he came across as such a massive bellend I was siding with Barry Glendenning :lol:
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    Charlie Foley Full Member

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    :lol:

    I look forward to the investigation to find out who Wumminator is when this launches
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    do.ob Full Member

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    What? These aren't some guys posting pictures of their lunch. They are professional journalists, writing is their job. Wouldn't you want to get paid for your job?
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    IrishRedDevil Full Member

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    Big Neil Custis patiently waiting by his phone for a call that will never come. There is definitely going to be a "them and us" divide.
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    It's the humour like we have on here that will be missing with Professional Journos.