The bad (typically gun related) things happening in America thread

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Oly Francis said:
You left the best part out!


Retired army veteran disarmed the Gunman and was then helped by a drag in high heels. This is an absolute drama don't get me wrong but this scene belongs to a movie.
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Thats why I gifted the whole article for everyone! Out of something so horrible to read how they took that asshole down and probably prevented ALOT more deaths was harrowing.
 

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Oly Francis said:
You left the best part out!


Retired army veteran disarmed the Gunman and was then helped by a drag in high heels. This is an absolute drama don't get me wrong but this scene belongs to a movie.
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The Birdcage, no?
 

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That’s brilliant, a drag queen assisting in the takedown.

Hopefully this fact is destroying right wing hive minds when they are trying to apportion gratitude for the takedown. It’ll be tough to square that circle for them.
 

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MrMarcello said:
Has Hannity or Tucker brought up the good guy without a gun saving lives? Mentioned the drag queen stomping the perp?
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Next on Tucker: Violent Trany Drag Queen Assaults Poor White Christian Protestor, Why the Libs Are Destroying America.
 

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When will America wake up and realise that allowing it's citizens to be armed to the teeth isn't fecking normal?
 

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If 20 children in a school doesn't move the needle, 10 people in a Wallmart ain't gonna do shit. Its time to accept that the right wing gun nuts are completely OK with innocent people dying in almost any number and at any age as long as they get to keep their guns. Its never going to be the case that "this is the one that changes things". A gunman could go into an elementary school and kill every single child and nothing will change.
 

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If 20 children in a school doesn't move the needle, 10 people in a Wallmart ain't gonna do shit. Its time to accept that the right wing gun nuts are completely OK with innocent people dying in almost any number and at any age as long as they get to keep their guns. Its never going to be the case that "this is the one that changes things". A gunman could go into an elementary school and kill every single child and nothing will change.
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It’s not just right wing gun nuts. I am positive we have gun nut lefties on here who would not give up theirs. As long as the cost is not paid by them or theirs then it is worth it. If it wasn’t they would have melted them after Sandy Hook.
 

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calodo2003 said:
That’s brilliant, a drag queen assisting in the takedown.

Hopefully this fact is destroying right wing hive minds when they are trying to apportion gratitude for the takedown. It’ll be tough to square that circle for them.
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The mental right wing are angry the takedown happened at all.
 

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WI_Red said:
It’s not just right wing gun nuts. I am positive we have gun nut lefties on here who would not give up theirs. As long as the cost is not paid by them or theirs then it is worth it. If it wasn’t they would have melted them after Sandy Hook.
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I think when you live there, you realize that you are very much on your own and no one nor anything is going to protect you, so out of fear you buy a gun. Everyone has one, so you convince yourself I'll be different and responsible, keep it solely for defence, then before you know it, your son has killed his sister with the S&W revolver you keep in your wardrobe.

All that being said, if I moved stateside, first week I am buying a gun and going down the range to practice.
 

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Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
I think when you live there, you realize that you are very much on your own and no one nor anything is going to protect you, so out of fear you buy a gun. Everyone has one, so you convince yourself I'll be different and responsible, keep it solely for defence, then before you know it, your son has killed his sister with the S&W revolver you keep in your wardrobe.

All that being said, if I moved stateside, first week I am buying a gun and going down the range to practice.
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Then you would be part of the problem. I don’t say this with malice, and with the complete realization that I am the proverbial old man screaming at clouds. Handguns and semi-automatic rifles exist for a single purpose: To kill humans. They are not used (seriously at least) for hunting. They are purely for killing or maiming. Combine that with a species that is violent and impulsive and well, you see the results.

I never have, and never will, own a gun. Ever. Maybe at some point in the future someone will break into myself and harm me or my wife. That is a ridiculously small chance (no atter what the media fear mongers say), but it is a price we are willing to pay so that there is zero chance that my nieces or nephews find a gun and kill/hurt themselves, or that one of us has a mental health crisis and acts impulsively.

Being touched by gun violence is simply a part of being American. For example, two of my high school classmates (one murder in a random drive by, the other suicide) died by guns the summer after graduation. That's just one example. I am tired of "thoughts and prayers", the "righteous" anger, the sadness, the "shock", of my countrymen and women who at the same time own guns themselves. If you own a gun, if you buy a gun, if you buy ammo for your gun, if you go to shooting ranges with your gun, you are part of this problem. Whatever though. #2A4Life, right?
 

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Then you would be part of the problem. I don’t say this with malice, and with the complete realization that I am the proverbial old man screaming at clouds. Handguns and semi-automatic rifles exist for a single purpose: To kill humans. They are not used (seriously at least) for hunting. They are purely for killing or maiming. Combine that with a species that is violent and impulsive and well, you see the results.

I never have, and never will, own a gun. Ever. Maybe at some point in the future someone will break into myself and harm me or my wife. That is a ridiculously small chance (no atter what the media fear mongers say), but it is a price we are willing to pay so that there is zero chance that my nieces or nephews find a gun and kill/hurt themselves, or that one of us has a mental health crisis and acts impulsively.

Being touched by gun violence is simply a part of being American. For example, two of my high school classmates (one murder in a random drive by, the other suicide) died by guns the summer after graduation. That's just one example. I am tired of "thoughts and prayers", the "righteous" anger, the sadness, the "shock", of my countrymen and women who at the same time own guns themselves. If you own a gun, if you buy a gun, if you buy ammo for your gun, if you go to shooting ranges with your gun, you are part of this problem. Whatever though. #2A4Life, right?
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That was my point, I know I would be part of the problem because that line of thinking is persuasive and attractive because of the threat. I appreciate your moralizing and passion but I think you missed my point, perhaps I was too subtle with it.

But I agree with you, people say they get a gun for protection against home intruders, never understood this; guns are expensive, but a good door/lock is not. If you want home protection, get a dog, plus you have a buddy!
 

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Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
That was my point, I know I would be part of the problem because that line of thinking is persuasive and attractive because of the threat. I appreciate your moralizing and passion but I think you missed my point, perhaps I was too subtle with it.

But I agree with you, people say they get a gun for protection against home intruders, never understood this; guns are expensive, but a good door/lock is not. If you want home protection, get a dog, plus you have a buddy!
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Sorry, on reread it may sound like I was going after you in that third paragraph which I absolutely was not. This topic is emotional and frustrating. I know so many friends and family who are horrified by every mass shooting, while having a multitude of guns of their own. "I'm a responsible gun owner" they say. You know who else was a responsible gun owner? The father of the classmate I mentioned above who blew a giant fecking hole into his own head while suffering from a mental health crisis.
 

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WI_Red said:
Sorry, on reread it may sound like I was going after you in that third paragraph which I absolutely was not. This topic is emotional and frustrating. I know so many friends and family who are horrified by every mass shooting, while having a multitude of guns of their own. "I'm a responsible gun owner" they say. You know who else was a responsible gun owner? The father of the classmate I mentioned above who blew a giant fecking hole into his own head while suffering from a mental health crisis.
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I totally agree, it's a backwards idea to have everyone with a lethal weapon. It's an emotional and bleak topic.
 

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WI_Red said:
It’s not just right wing gun nuts. I am positive we have gun nut lefties on here who would not give up theirs. As long as the cost is not paid by them or theirs then it is worth it. If it wasn’t they would have melted them after Sandy Hook.
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To be honest, anyone who advocates for personal gun use would veer to the right in the Overton window. They may be some further left than the current GOP base, but they're still on the right.
 

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slyadams said:
To be honest, anyone who advocates for personal gun use would veer to the right in the Overton window. They may be some further left than the current GOP base, but they're still on the right.
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I am not sure I agree. The majority of friends of mine are quite left in terms of American politics (support universal healthcare, increase of taxes, free college education, etc.). That said, I have lived my entire adult life in the south and midwest, so the almost all of those friends have been gun owners, and the majority of those are hunters. I have no real issue with people owning bolt action hunting rifles if for no other reason than without hunters the deer population in most southern/midwestern states would explode out of control. However, almost all of those friends also owned multiple handguns as well. Guns might be the one thing that transcends politics here in the US as all sides seem to have a sick obsession with them.
 

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I am not sure I agree. The majority of friends of mine are quite left in terms of American politics (support universal healthcare, increase of taxes, free college education, etc.). That said, I have lived my entire adult life in the south and midwest, so the almost all of those friends have been gun owners, and the majority of those are hunters. I have no real issue with people owning bolt action hunting rifles if for no other reason than without hunters the deer population in most southern/midwestern states would explode out of control. However, almost all of those friends also owned multiple handguns as well. Guns might be the one thing that transcends politics here in the US as all sides seem to have a sick obsession with them.
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My point was they may be left-wing by American standards, but by Western standards they're still right-wing. America as a whole is much more right leaning than other western nations. The fact that gun ownership, reproductive rights and universal healthcare are not settled issues (like they are in the rest of the West) demonstrates this.
 

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slyadams said:
To be honest, anyone who advocates for personal gun use would veer to the right in the Overton window. They may be some further left than the current GOP base, but they're still on the right.
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Not exactly. There is actually a growing left-wing (not liberal) movement in the US that is all for guns, partly as a counter to the overwhelmingly far-right militia movements. There are leftist "gun clubs" that protect LGBTQ+ events, for example.

The Black Panthers weren't exactly right-wing either, so it's not an entirely new phenomenon.
 

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Not exactly. There is actually a growing left-wing (not liberal) movement in the US that is all for guns, partly as a counter to the overwhelmingly far-right militia movements. There are leftist "gun clubs" that protect LGBTQ+ events, for example.

The Black Panthers weren't exactly right-wing either, so it's not an entirely new phenomenon.
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The first (and only??) time the right wing was militantly pro gun control.
 

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nimic said:
Not exactly. There is actually a growing left-wing (not liberal) movement in the US that is all for guns, partly as a counter to the overwhelmingly far-right militia movements. There are leftist "gun clubs" that protect LGBTQ+ events, for example.

The Black Panthers weren't exactly right-wing either, so it's not an entirely new phenomenon.
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As I’ve said elsewhere the American left is still pretty right wing in relative terms.
 

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As I’ve said elsewhere the American left is still pretty right wing in relative terms.
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That's not what's going on here. As I said, I'm not talking about liberals. I'm talking about social democrats, socialists and even anarchists. They do exist in the US, even if the political system hasn't noticed them for decades.
 

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This is what it is to be a republican in America right now. Fine with your son murdering 5 people but scared he might be gay. As someone who is Christian I am not afraid, but ashamed, to say that christianity is the biggest cancer in the US. It has been twisted and perverted to be a vehicle of hate, vengeance, power, and evil. The world would be better off it ceased to exist today.

 
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