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To be fair Jared's joker portrayal was only interesting in the "hmm, interesting that they didn't burn all evidence of this footage before it made it out if the film studio" kind of way.

The problem with being THE Batman is that there are other current Batmans, and with Batmans being Batmans I suspect they aren't happy with that.

I mean there are many James Bonds, and they are all different, but there were never two James Bonds at the same time. If there were it would be very problematic. For example You Only Live Twice would have had to be called You Only Live Twice Twice.

I do agree most of the marvel characters are quite dull. It's the weak point of the whole marvel film franchise for me. They only have about 5 interesting character portrayals and they've killed most of them off. DC though has no consistency or coherency and it doesn't help when they keep basically remaking the same films
Actually, there were two bonds !

Never Say Never Again and Octopussy came out the same year 1983.

Octopussy won that one
 

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No wonder she stole the show from Keaton, De Vito & Walken, it's almost like Alan Rickman in Robin Hood overshadowing Costner.
She was meant to be in the First Batman, but Keaton refused to work with her, as they had just broken up.
 

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Trailer 3:


Very much like how they captured Gotham. Closer looking to Burtons.
 

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Good stuff, combat scenes in this trailer alone look better than the Nolan trilogy shaky cam bollocks. I love Nolan trilogy, but fight scenes are mostly terrible.
 
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Trailer 3:


Very much like how they captured Gotham. Closer looking to Burtons.
Not as qwerky, industrial and claustrophobic as Burtons but it certainly looks more in keeping to Miller's and Mazzucchelli's Batman Year One.
 

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From the scattered very early reviews I've seen of the movie, the prevailing opinion is that the movie is dangerously close to being in the horror genre. Take from that what you will concerning the nature of the antagonist(s) in this movie.
 

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From the scattered very early reviews I've seen of the movie, the prevailing opinion is that the movie is dangerously close to being in the horror genre. Take from that what you will concerning the nature of the antagonist(s) in this movie.
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Have they given too much away there? I saw a flooded Gotham ffs
Definitely seems like they’re going down the Bruce’s dad was secretly corrupt or evil, and the Wayne Empire is built on suffering, pain & abuse of others.

While in the comics Thomas Wayne incarnations have been everything from angelic and good guy, to slightly shady doing what he had to, to a bit kinky, to ruthless, to downright evil etc

I won’t be surprised that with the current generation of “all wealthy people are knuts” they go down a darker path for the Wayne Empire’s past simply to appease the main audiences bias.
 
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From the scattered very early reviews I've seen of the movie, the prevailing opinion is that the movie is dangerously close to being in the horror genre. Take from that what you will concerning the nature of the antagonist(s) in this movie.
Exactly what Batman should be. Dark thriller bordering horror
 

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Hahaha, tbh that’s actually what I grew up remembering Batman as
Might be nostalgia but imo the Burton films got the tone of Batman spot on. It held the line between campy comic book fun and a more ''darker'' sinister tone. Danny Devito as the Penguin was far more creepy than pretty much every other villain in the new Batman films, apart from maybe Heath Ledger Joker.

Tbh I'm not really into comic book films but I'm interested in this just due to Patterson involvement.
 

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For me that looks an okay movie... If we take out all the Batman stuff

I'm not enjoying either Batman or Catwoman's portrayals there. With Pattinson I think he looks particularly odd as Bruce Wayne with that hair. Looks a bit scrawny with floppy hair - the look is much more Dick Grayson than Bruce Wayne
 
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Might be nostalgia but imo the Burton films got the tone of Batman spot on. It held the line between campy comic book fun and a more ''darker'' sinister tone. Danny Devito as the Penguin was far more creepy than pretty much every other villain in the new Batman films, apart from maybe Heath Ledger Joker.

Tbh I'm not really into comic book films but I'm interested in this just due to Patterson involvement.
Danny De Vito Penguin was definitely a campy creep … i forgot those first two movies were actually very good.
 

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Why are they playing the imperial march theme at the end of trailer?
 

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Danny De Vito Penguin was definitely a campy creep … i forgot those first two movies were actually very good.
The first, maybe, even if Jack Nicholson does overplay his role at times. But Batman Returns isn't so great, narratively speaking is abit of a mess.

Both Burton films are very much carried by the fresh, at the time of release, artistic aesthetic and, fundamentally, the performances.
 

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Cannot wait for this. They are definitely setting up a Court of Owls storyline.
 

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Maybe his parents are still alive
In the comics The Court of Owls were made up of Gothams ruling elite. They controlled everything. Police, courts even the mafia. I reckon Thomas Wayne was a leading member of the Court of Owls and Riddler is punishing Bruce for the sins of his father.
 

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For me that looks an okay movie... If we take out all the Batman stuff

I'm not enjoying either Batman or Catwoman's portrayals there. With Pattinson I think he looks particularly odd as Bruce Wayne with that hair. Looks a bit scrawny with floppy hair - the look is much more Dick Grayson than Bruce Wayne
Totally. But at the same time I think that's a bit of a nice tweak - instead of "strapping-billionaire-playboy-disguise" they're doing "90-lb-weakling-emo-disguise". If they use it well*, it could be fun.

*AKA more than just the easy usage.
 

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Keaton was an even stranger choice for Batman yet fans still think he's the best Batman/Bruce Wayne.
All about the execution.
 

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This is going to be dreadful isn’t it

Not enjoyed a single DC movie in the past few years they’ve all been terrible including the new Suicide Squad
 

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Totally. But at the same time I think that's a bit of a nice tweak - instead of "strapping-billionaire-playboy-disguise" they're doing "90-lb-weakling-emo-disguise". If they use it well*, it could be fun.

*AKA more than just the easy usage.
Which in terms of look is Grayson more than Bruce. So he should have been Batman for this film if thats what they want from their Batman
 

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Which in terms of look is Grayson more than Bruce. So he should have been Batman for this film if thats what they want from their Batman
But then one runs into the problem where the average movie-goer would be all confused. 'Wait, Bruce Wayne isn't Batman?'

Basically you're advocating for strict adherence to canon, right? I totally understand if you feel emo-Wayne is too gimmicky.
 

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Why? He's not that far off the typical Bruce Wayne look
He was generally regarded as an odd choice at the time, to the point where WB received thousands of letters of complaint after he was announced.

Basically it was because of the types of films he was known for before then, which were mostly comedies. Even a lot of the film's writers and producers were against the casting, with this from one producer:

"Yeah, but he’s a comedian. I mean, what’s the poster going to say? That Mr. Mom is Batman?” I said that he’s my height, he doesn’t have the muscles; for god’s sake, he doesn’t have the square jaw of Batman.”

And one DC writer said "It’s like Rodney Dangerfield in a Bat-suit. You’ll laugh at it.” The guy who wrote the story for the film was against the casting too, as was Bob Kane who co-created Batman, etc.

And it was discussed in major outlets like the New York Times, Washington Post, etc. as well. This from a Rolling Stone article:

Michael Keaton is no Batman. Or so a vast sector of the bat community has vehemently asserted. Upon learning last year that Michael Keaton would, indeed, be Batman - the definitive cinematic Batman, no less - batheads were disconsolate. In Keaton's hands, they felt, Batman would become a smirky wisenheimer. Mr. Mom in a cowl, they thought. Mr. Mammal. "Treating Batman as a comedy is like The Brady Bunch going porno," wrote a fretful fan, one of the tens of thousands who swamped comics fanzines with disapproving nerd mail. The common refrain among disbelievers: Keaton has no chin, not enough hair; he's too scrawny, too doughy, too short, too glib, too distracting.
There were even honest-to-god pre-internet petitions:



It's an interesting example of pre-internet nerd culture at work.
 

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But then one runs into the problem where the average movie-goer would be all confused. 'Wait, Bruce Wayne isn't Batman?'

Basically you're advocating for strict adherence to canon, right? I totally understand if you feel emo-Wayne is too gimmicky.
I would mostly go with canon but im fine with changes when they actually improve things. A couple of examples, Harley Quinn. Aretmis Crock in Young Justice.

Almost every change I see in the movies makes them worse. Usually its different hair colour or style for no reason which ruins the instant recognisability of a character transfered from comic books and shows to a movie screen. They dont feel like the same character.

If anything I think "Why is that nerdy looking guy with floppy hair Bruce Wayne?" is just as confusing. And the truth is that the films are the biggest exposure the comic book characters get, so when those make poor changes, like in this case infringing on Dick Grayson's style, thats whats going to confuse the audience going forward. Because for the next generation of people now Bruce Wayne is looking like Dick Grayson, so what does that do for Dick? It takes away the things that make that character. And if we get Dick in that universe, he'll also be visually completely different to the actual character because now he cant look much like their Bruce.

Dick Grayson has also been Batman. So theres no reason he couldnt be in a movie. I'm guessing the change to have Batman be this style is to appeal to the teenage audience, well thats what the Titans were for.
 

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I swear to god if Batman doesn't nip to the barber to get the classic Bats 'do at some point during the course of this movie, i'll flip out.