No posts like this before the game... Now suddenly it's obvious the formation was wrong for the game
Think the OPs point is that the cafs analysis of formations and tactics is laughable
The Caf has feck all idea about formations/tactics
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Think the OPs point is that the cafs analysis of formations and tactics is laughable
That's a brilliant film!I know the feeling, bro.
After @FrankDrebin mentioned it, I've decided to watch Battle Royale tonight to paper over this. Nothing like a bunch of Japanese school children fighting to the death to cheer ones self up!
funny that, read in the thread before the game and I said it would be a tough game against Arsenals tactics.
Just because you didn't see it or think it doesn't mean others can't.
Well it also doesnt help when the manager references the Cafe for tactics and formations.
There is something called the opposing team. When things don't work out then you change. It's bleedin obvious that we don't have anyone who can hold the ball. So why play that way? It's obvious that Rashford and Greenwood are not going to win any headers.
Ole has no clue unless it's counter attacking.
Ole has no clue unless it's counter attacking.
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I still think a 4-3-3 is the best formation, the problem is our midfielders are not press resistant.
I can understand people thinking today’s formation would work after Wednesday’s performance.
I can understand people thinking today’s formation would work after Wednesday’s performance.
Spot on - the diamond would have worked if he had Fred as the B2B and Matic or Mctominay at the base. By replacing Mctominay with Matic and putting Fred in the holding role he effectively made 2 changes to the side that played against Leipzig. Oh, and please let’s not forget the role that Martial plays upfront. Both Rashford and Greenwood needs someone to play off. Cavani/Rashford may have been a better bet to start with...
Okay - ask op to amend post that CAF couch potatoes don't understand tactics except that one fella
We need to work on getting the ball forward while being pressed. Arsenal did it today brilliantly. It was too easy just to mark our front three without midfield doing much.
We have no natural width so I am not sure how to stretch the game though. Additional midfielder is not needed though, I'd rather play 3 at the back.
We have no natural width so I am not sure how to stretch the game though. Additional midfielder is not needed though, I'd rather play 3 at the back.
Formations are absolutely irrelevant if the balance isn't there. Today it wasn't.
I'll let you and @FrankDrebin know my thoughts in the review thread. I'm looking forward to it!
Anyway, sorry for derailing the thread
Tactics would have been ok if he got the personnel right.
Fred at DM and McTominay in CM is completely against what we’ve been doing in previous games. We were wide open in midfield and that dragged our players namely Pogba and Bruno all over the place.
CBA even talking about the substitutions, I’ve seen some shit in my time but they were mind boggling.
Fred at DM and McTominay in CM is completely against what we’ve been doing in previous games. We were wide open in midfield and that dragged our players namely Pogba and Bruno all over the place.
CBA even talking about the substitutions, I’ve seen some shit in my time but they were mind boggling.
Did we actually play a proper diamond though?
Doesn't look like it, seems it's still 4231, with Rashford kept on switching around with Greenwood, CF <-> RW/RM but then it's a mess, so it could actually be a diamond but with poor system.
Okay, formation is not the problem.
The whole system is the problem, specifically the settings = specific control/instructions to the players are almost non-existent, and if there actually is given, then it's terrible.
Hell, even the 4231 is terrible for not having good settings/system.
Formation is just like a template or a "front". It's useless and rubbish if the designs are shit. Hell, any formation works as long as the designs and personnels are good.
Doesn't look like it, seems it's still 4231, with Rashford kept on switching around with Greenwood, CF <-> RW/RM but then it's a mess, so it could actually be a diamond but with poor system.
Okay, formation is not the problem.
The whole system is the problem, specifically the settings = specific control/instructions to the players are almost non-existent, and if there actually is given, then it's terrible.
Hell, even the 4231 is terrible for not having good settings/system.
Formation is just like a template or a "front". It's useless and rubbish if the designs are shit. Hell, any formation works as long as the designs and personnels are good.
Replying this just to say Thank you!
Half the Caf should leave the Caf as all they do is incessantly bitch and moan about the Caf. The Caf yo.
No, the OP isn't saying much of anything.
So basically, experts who are paid millions, understand tactics more than the average football fan? feck me, that's a revelation.
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We're just fans spewing opinions about our club, like all fans do. The credibility of our opinions doesn't matter a jot in reality. It's whether the manager knows anything about formations that matters. One of the first things I heard the commentator say was he thought McT would be at the base of such a diamond formation in this game. So many on here have said same. But our manager didn't figure it out. That, is what matters.
Application of tactics is more important. You cant just rely on tactics and formation.
The one thing United don’t have is intensity. Any and every time we play a team that has more intensity than us, we suffer. Look around the squad and ask yourself how many players have high intensity? Bruno, Fred and? Maybe AWB defensively.
The one thing United don’t have is intensity. Any and every time we play a team that has more intensity than us, we suffer. Look around the squad and ask yourself how many players have high intensity? Bruno, Fred and? Maybe AWB defensively.
It's not about formation. A diamond is fine. It's just that we have probably the most ignorant set of coaches in the league.
They always seem to be clueless to even the most simple issues that I'm easily able to spot from the comfort of my bedroom while watching on TV.
Simple problems that could easily be corrected with some words, yet no one in the team or the coaching staff even seem to notice such problem till the end of the game. It's baffling.
This is a good thread:
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Same as Ole then
Any one individual you pluck on here will think they’ve nailed it when in truth they’re completely clueless. However, as anything in world, the power in numbers means a lot more than any one individual thought.
The consensus on here is Pogba is being shoe horned into a team that he fits no where in. Result? Implied position of 18th in the EPL. Result? Ole thinking Pogba can hopefully cut it at LW.
No one knows the ideal formation, collectively we can say Pogba doesn’t fit.
Until Ole swallows that and stops giving into the corporate Adidas demands to play him, we will suffer.
The consensus on here is Pogba is being shoe horned into a team that he fits no where in. Result? Implied position of 18th in the EPL. Result? Ole thinking Pogba can hopefully cut it at LW.
No one knows the ideal formation, collectively we can say Pogba doesn’t fit.
Until Ole swallows that and stops giving into the corporate Adidas demands to play him, we will suffer.
The more salient point is not that they know more. That is obvious as you point out. It is that 98-99% of forum poster know absolutely nothing. At all. Something that is actually equally obvious. Please don't pretend otherwise unless you have any experience in the world of football coaching or management.
Even if someone has just coached a child's Under 9 team, they will know exponentially more than those talking incessently on here about formations.
Many including me commented on the match day thread before the kick off that this doesn't seem to be the best starting line up for this match.
It's better to have been tactical and started without Rashford and Greenwood. Playing Pogba was obviously the wrong choice. McTominay did nothing and to play Matic and push Fred further forward would have negated the way Arsenal were playing.
Ole should have known by now that Maguire takes ages to pass the ball and we need to move the ball a lot quicker. Also when the ball is in the air neither of our forwards can do anything with it. These are things he should have known by now.
Why didn't he start with Cavani and DVB?
It's better to have been tactical and started without Rashford and Greenwood. Playing Pogba was obviously the wrong choice. McTominay did nothing and to play Matic and push Fred further forward would have negated the way Arsenal were playing.
Ole should have known by now that Maguire takes ages to pass the ball and we need to move the ball a lot quicker. Also when the ball is in the air neither of our forwards can do anything with it. These are things he should have known by now.
Why didn't he start with Cavani and DVB?
The first half was very poor as that thread shows. McTominay doesn't seem to understand his position, Fred as the deepest midfielder cannot do what he's best at (pressing up the field, intercepting the ball high), wrong decisions/misunderstandings when chooses passes over and over, feeble pressing etc. We definitely improved at the start of the second half when Ole tweaked it, but why wait until then when we were such a mess?
A diamond formation forces you to get your attacking width from full-backs, but what's the use of a diamond if your full-backs aren't good at attacking?
At least push them up and try to get them to attack. We genuinely have the dumbest coaching staff in the league.A diamond formation forces you to get your attacking width from full-backs, but what's the use of a diamond if your full-backs aren't good at attacking?
Yes, but even if the coaching insufficiently informs them to push up, the individual should have the positional intelligence or awareness to do it of his own accord. A very small sample sizing, but Telles in the minutes he played wing-back, pushed very high and wide and was often seen press the opposition right-back outside their box. Ole didn't have to tell him to do it; he just has the instinct. That being said, good coaches should never let things depend on instinct. If we're going for diamond, yes, scream at the FBs to get higher.
I would say caf knows feck all about anything as such. It is a forum for opinions. Different people, different opinions.
Didn't he have a good game against RBL
We can all agree that apart from ourselves everyone else knows feck all....
How do you know that
Like someone above has said neither has Ole got tactical nous outside of counter attacking
Ole just plays formations without any clue on how to execute them. Whenever we play 343, 352 or 442, it becomes obvious that he just doesn't know what he is doing.
Yeah that is abundantly clear
No, its just that at a certain point its less relevant what the lineup/formation is, and more so about the coaching of the players to know where to move off the ball and how to progress up the pitch. We don't look well coached. Defensively we're ok and know how to counter attacking, but going forward with possession we don't know what we're doing.
Yeah just look how many times we gave the ball away in midfield and the worrying thing is it keeps happening
It was apparent even against Leipzig, they were coming out from pressing, getting to our box and keeping the ball with such a ease. Obviously, we defended really well but until the second goal we really were struggling to make a few passes together even in our own half, there was no fluidity really to our passing and movement.