Today is why I’m not that worried about top 4. It’s not as if this Arsenal or Spurs team will shut us out from next year if they have CL football. If Ten Hag is any sort of manager then we should be there or there abouts for it.
The chase for 4th place (not top 4)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Hope we finish 8th. Having the premier league alone to focus on is all these clowns can handle
I understand the necessity for CL football and how much more appealing it makes our team for potential new players, but in my opinion it is best for Ten Hag that we don't finish in the top 4, purely because of the added stress and pressure those European games would provide.
I know it may sound daft, but against lesser opponents he'll have the ability to iron out mistakes and to clear tactical issues, which I assume won't be possible against the likes of of the top European clubs. Plus, UEL might provide ETH with the chance to win something even during his first season here.
I know it may sound daft, but against lesser opponents he'll have the ability to iron out mistakes and to clear tactical issues, which I assume won't be possible against the likes of of the top European clubs. Plus, UEL might provide ETH with the chance to win something even during his first season here.
Cheers lads.
Me too
Our “team” absolutely fell apart as soon as Fred got injured.
Same. We’d even get embarrassed in the fecking Conference league.
Damning in itself ain't it.
Arteta and arsenal celebrating today, we back to celebrating the top 4 trophy. Be pathetic if they don't get it
Come on Spurs.
fecking unbelievable. Spurs drew and they need to play Arsenal and Liverpool yet. If we have won today, we would be favorite for 4th spot. Unbelievable how many chances we had for CL spot. And we blew it
Top 4 this year is just about who's the least shit out of these 3 bottling teams. Now we know that it will be Tottenham or Arsenal. Whichever out of these 2 will be completely chanceless in the CL either way and will most likely be knocked out the minute they reach the knock out stages.
The PL has become City and Liverpool. It's pathetic how bad the rest have become.
Think 70 points gets you top 4 this season.
Currently Arsenal have 60 points
Spurs have 58 points.
So Arsenal probably need 3 wins and a draw out of 5.
Spurs need 4 wins out of 5.
Arsenal Fixtures
West Ham (A)
Leeds (H)
Spurs (A)
Newcastle (A)
Everton (H)
Spurs Fixtures
Leicester (H)
Liverpool (A)
Arsenal (H)
Burnley (H)
Norwich (A)
Currently Arsenal have 60 points
Spurs have 58 points.
So Arsenal probably need 3 wins and a draw out of 5.
Spurs need 4 wins out of 5.
Arsenal Fixtures
West Ham (A)
Leeds (H)
Spurs (A)
Newcastle (A)
Everton (H)
Spurs Fixtures
Leicester (H)
Liverpool (A)
Arsenal (H)
Burnley (H)
Norwich (A)
Battleship ? I would say dinghy
66 points gets you top 4 this season, neither Arsenal or Tottenham are getting 70 points nor they need to .
I perhaps should rephrase that. If we assume Spurs lose at Anfield, they maximum they can reach is 70 points, that's why 70 assures it.
If you think 66 points gets it, then Arsenal would just need to win their 2 home games vs Leeds & Everton to get it. I'll be surprised if that's enough personally.
Thing is both Arsenal and Tottenham are really average teams and I can see both of them really stuttering towards the finish line , It wouldn't come as a surprise if both of them struggle to get more than couple of wins their last 5 games if fact I am quite confident about it . Only One of them might get 66 and above points but none of them would reach 70 not a chance .
I believe Spurs will finish at 4th place. Simply because they have a good attacking lineup and a top manager compared to Arsenal.
The last 2 wins of Arsenal are mostly down to opponent’s mistakes and massive help from referees and VAR.
The last 2 wins of Arsenal are mostly down to opponent’s mistakes and massive help from referees and VAR.
Yea, yea just last season the 4th place team got 67 points so the 4th place probably achieves more in the league than that. You've become the new bitters
Looking at the chelsea vs west ham game, you have to admit that Moyes has built better team than ours...
Arsenal are just way too annoying atm, feeding off their managers crazy nervous tension on the sidelines no doubt. if Arsenal do get it they'll be expecting a guard of honour, as they line up for the non existent trophy on the last day.
I'm surprised I feel like that, but I really hope Spurs beat them to it.
I'm surprised I feel like that, but I really hope Spurs beat them to it.
And this is why Arsenal fans shouldn't have nice things, fecking annoying the lot of you
They are not full of stars, but hard workers and are incredibly organised defensively.
Luckhurst is a complete chump who chats myopic rubbish.
The 4th place team will likely get enough points to have claimed 3rd in recent seasons. Such an embarrassing, bitter statement from him. I am almost certain he was sitting in his pants anger crying when he tweeted that.
All because United look out of the race. Odd and pathetic.
The 4th place team will likely get enough points to have claimed 3rd in recent seasons. Such an embarrassing, bitter statement from him. I am almost certain he was sitting in his pants anger crying when he tweeted that.
All because United look out of the race. Odd and pathetic.
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anyone else think the Dawson offence was outside the area?
possibly the worst penalty I've ever seen...
Dawson was brilliant for 85 minutes... miles in advance of Maguire
wouldn't shock me if Newcastle beat arsenal
They put their bodies on the line to keep a clean sheet. Ours it is back off, can't even when to do a tactical foul, then leave it to Dave to deal with.
Yeah I thought that as well, glad he missed it. Worse than Bruno’s penalty
It definitely started outside.
meanwhile, watch chelsea spark back into life on thursday...
Think there was already more life in them than us.
I didn’t think we were that bad going forward, defence was a shambles though.
That's very possible you know, we always have a hard time up there no matter the scoreline. Plus they have the best Bruno in the league.
United aren’t even Medicore at this point so forget about us but would you say Spurs & Arsenal have been anything more than mediocre this season?
You don't have to sound bitter and degrade the other teams, it is not like 4th place is an amazing achievement in the first place. The fact is there are two teams who are far ahead of the other teams. Next year 4th place is up for grabs again, and maybe so will 3rd as well. Whoever gets 3rd and 4th will be at least slightly better than the rest. It has nothing to do with 4th place "standards".
Lots of people throwing around words like 'average' and 'medicore' to describe teams finishing in the top quarter of the top league in England!
Forcing and capitalizing on mistakes is one the best ways to score goals. Not every goal will be a perfectly worked move.
I still believe it is 50-50 as to who will pick up 4th between Spurs and Arsenal. One thing I am comforted by is that other than Palace we haven't been outplayed in the second half of the season. Still a number of things are off. For example I could barely watch every time the ball was anywhere near Tavares or Cedric. Too many players have a poor first touch to be consistently playing it out from the back and in general we move the ball way too slowly most of the time. So there are definitely issues for Arteta to work out but I feel this whole young team and manager are starting to grow in the right direction overall. We obviously miss a first rate forward, but other than that we are in position of wanting rather than needing.
No illusions that we will be challenging Pool and City anytime soon though.
No illusions that we will be challenging Pool and City anytime soon though.