The clear out - progression thread

Its all good and well getting rid of the high earners but we need a core of experienced players, also if we were successful we would have no problem in paying higher wages. Success brings higher wages.
If bruno, Casamiro and Harry leave in the summer who are the leaders? Who will be the captain?
 
Mylock said:
Its all good and well getting rid of the high earners but we need a core of experienced players, also if we were successful we would have no problem in paying higher wages. Success brings higher wages.
If bruno, Casamiro and Harry leave in the summer who are the leaders? Who will be the captain?
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Don't think Bruno is going anywhere. Maguire might stay if he's ready to take a paycut or agree to a short term deal. Shaw should be leaving too.

As far as leadership is concerned I think the squad is good in that front with most of them being level headed. I can see Licha/De Ligt stepping up to that leadership spot.
 
Xeque_279 said:
Don't think Bruno is going anywhere. Maguire might stay if he's ready to take a paycut or agree to a short term deal. Shaw should be leaving too.

As far as leadership is concerned I think the squad is good in that front with most of them being level headed. I can see Licha/De Ligt stepping up to that leadership spot.
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I broadly agree. I suspect Maguire will sign something like a 1+1 deal which will pay him what he’s on now but only if he’s playing and performing.

Only thing I disagree on is Shaw leaving. He’s got another year and I reckon he’ll see out his contract. I’m fine with that.
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
I broadly agree. I suspect Maguire will sign something like a 1+1 deal which will pay him what he’s on now but only if he’s playing and performing.

Only thing I disagree on is Shaw leaving. He’s got another year and I reckon he’ll see out his contract. I’m fine with that.
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No club would pay a fee for Shaw. I thought he had two years though? Either way, he’s not going anywhere this summer. If we can manage his games (hopefully not by having the lowest no of games in 100 years again), then he’s a very useful player to have around.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
No club would pay a fee for Shaw. I thought he had two years though? Either way, he’s not going anywhere this summer. If we can manage his games (hopefully not by having the lowest no of games in 100 years again), then he’s a very useful player to have around.
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IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
I broadly agree. I suspect Maguire will sign something like a 1+1 deal which will pay him what he’s on now but only if he’s playing and performing.

Only thing I disagree on is Shaw leaving. He’s got another year and I reckon he’ll see out his contract. I’m fine with that.
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Oh right, for some reason I thought Shaw's contract was expiring in the summer too. Yeah, I don't think we'll get any buyers so he could be the backup option for LB or even LCB.
 
Xeque_279 said:
Oh right, for some reason I thought Shaw's contract was expiring in the summer too. Yeah, I don't think we'll get any buyers so he could be the backup option for LB or even LCB.
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He’s 2027 I believe. It’s why I’d like a left back this summer. Get someone under 23 and you can, hopefully, take them in and out accordingly with Shaw as a safety blanket for a season.
 
I think if we get actual buyers for Rashford, Onana and Sancho (deal ending?) then the clear out is almost done. We will be left with players that still need moving on but they are not actively causing problems and that’s the big thing.

Ugarte
Zirkzee
Altay
Malacia

Those are the players I’d move on but they’re all relatively inoffensive. We also have players that are around the first team such as Collyer etc that will probably also move on for minimal fees
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
I broadly agree. I suspect Maguire will sign something like a 1+1 deal which will pay him what he’s on now but only if he’s playing and performing.

Only thing I disagree on is Shaw leaving. He’s got another year and I reckon he’ll see out his contract. I’m fine with that.
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If he plays like this next year he'll get offered at least a 1+1. It's easier to overpay him on wages, hope for health by not overplaying him and giving Dorgu/Amass/Leon the chance to win the job, with 1 of Amass or Leon on loan and then Dorgu getting time on the wing too as a defensive option, then it is to sign someone new for big money, hope they can immediately start and play well while giving games to whichever of Dorgu/Amass/Leon can hopefully become our LB for the next decade.

Shaw is one of the few players we have who cracks the top 10 at his position in the world (Bruno, whichever of Mbuemo or Amad is at RW and that may genuinely be it, unless you want to include Licha for his passing), so unless the medical people say he's really unlikely to play 25+ games a year, I think he'll be re-signed.
 
NoPace said:
If he plays like this next year he'll get offered at least a 1+1. It's easier to overpay him on wages, hope for health by not overplaying him and giving Dorgu/Amass/Leon the chance to win the job, with 1 of Amass or Leon on loan and then Dorgu getting time on the wing too as a defensive option, then it is to sign someone new for big money, hope they can immediately start and play well while giving games to whichever of Dorgu/Amass/Leon can hopefully become our LB for the next decade.

Shaw is one of the few players we have who cracks the top 10 at his position in the world (Bruno, whichever of Mbuemo or Amad is at RW and that may genuinely be it, unless you want to include Licha for his passing), so unless the medical people say he's really unlikely to play 25+ games a year, I think he'll be re-signed.
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There’s a possibility to extend provided he stays fit, but he’s someone that’s benefitted massively from 1 game a week. I do agree, when fit and in form, he’s as good a left back as there is around, but he’s also 31 at the start of next season, and planning for life after him needs to happen sooner or later regardless.

Think I’ve said elsewhere, it’s a similar situation to Robertson at Liverpool. Kerkez hasn’t been great, but I do think their logic was sound; sign the long term replacement whilst the incumbent is still around as a safety blanket.
 
Surely we cannot give shaw more than a 1 year contract. The man is playing as well as he is because he's playing for his future. A 1+1 if at all should be a club option
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
There’s a possibility to extend provided he stays fit, but he’s someone that’s benefitted massively from 1 game a week. I do agree, when fit and in form, he’s as good a left back as there is around, but he’s also 31 at the start of next season, and planning for life after him needs to happen sooner or later regardless.

Think I’ve said elsewhere, it’s a similar situation to Robertson at Liverpool. Kerkez hasn’t been great, but I do think their logic was sound; sign the long term replacement whilst the incumbent is still around as a safety blanket.
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This is the WC year. He always gives us more games prior to a major tournament. He's still on the old contract regime which probably gives him silly money (rumored around 150k a week) and in the year following that contract he'll be 32. It would be time to say our goodbyes.
 
Heaton and Bayindir should leave. We've got a better option in Vitek. Maguire should stay for a year on reduced salary. Casemiro and Malacia should leave on a free while Ugarte and Zirkzee should be sold
 
We shouldnt rush to offer Shaw a new deal. Hes not leaving us to go to a CL side, and it’d be a paycut for him in all likelihood when he leaves.

If he has another season like this fitness wise, then offer him anther year during the season next season. I do think Dorgu will take games off him at LB though.
 
I don’t see us getting rid of Maguire at all as he’s really shown an improvement this season and been massively missed when not available and with us having far bigger priorities Maguire staying on a rolling 12 month contract makes sense, centre back is probably where we’re strongest.

Outgoings wise you’d expect all of Onana, Bayindir, Malacia, Casemiro, Ugarte, Sancho, Rashford, Zirkzee and Hojlund to all go with Collyer also being a possibility which is 10 outgoings although some of those are on frees due to their contracts ending.

I’d expect to see a back up keeper, a high potential left back, three midfielders and a high potential left sided attacker coming in so 6 incomings which properly balances the squad out in full and gives us a strong squad to manage potential European football next season as well as domestic games too.
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
He’s 2027 I believe. It’s why I’d like a left back this summer. Get someone under 23 and you can, hopefully, take them in and out accordingly with Shaw as a safety blanket for a season.
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Tbh with him as a safety net we also have the option to see how Amass and Leon progress. Send Leon out for a championship loan and integrate Amass in the squad.
 
Bwuk said:
We shouldnt rush to offer Shaw a new deal. Hes not leaving us to go to a CL side, and it’d be a paycut for him in all likelihood when he leaves.

If he has another season like this fitness wise, then offer him anther year during the season next season. I do think Dorgu will take games off him at LB though.
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He's on 200k p/w (with CL, lower without) currently. I think he'd be fine if we get him on 150k p/w or so for another 2-3 years but yeah not too bothered if we lose him on a free either. His best position is as a wide center back. He doesn't have the legs any more to play like a fullback.

What I'd prioritize regardless is a really attacking LB to rotate along with Dorgu. I think that gives us some good options next season.

Primary option if everyone's fit: Cunha LW, with Dorgu LB: Cunha can come inside and do his thing. Mount or any of the other #10s (even Bruno) could replace Cunha there if he's rotated / rested. Width will be provided by the wing back overlapping.

Secondary option Dorgu LW, Shaw LB. Shaw can sit as the 3rd CB and Dorgu can play like a touchline hugging winger delivering crosses (as he did against Arsenal, City etc.)
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
Has there been any updates on him? I’d play him ahead of Ugarte.
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That’s an incredibly low bar. Tbh, if he was good enough, he’d have had a chance at some point. Strikes me as the kind of player, like a Bardsley or a Higginbotham, that’ll have a decent career but not at the very top level.
 
If he remains a United player, Collyer can't be considered any higher up the depth chart than as a 4th choice. Ideally, Kobbee Mainoo will be either the 2nd or 3rd after a couple of nice signings in the summer. Should Ugarte stay at United, he would also be a 4th choice for me.

Midfield is the obvious priority area and will be probably addressed before any other position.
 
devilish said:
This is the WC year. He always gives us more games prior to a major tournament. He's still on the old contract regime which probably gives him silly money (rumored around 150k a week) and in the year following that contract he'll be 32. It would be time to say our goodbyes.
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150k isn’t silly money in this era.
 
elmo said:
150k isn’t silly money in this era.
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for a player who lost a yard of pace and who has a track record of being injured as tall as the shard it is. Things won't get better at age 32.
 
To go...just a few thoughts...

GK - Onana, Bayindir (Radek Vítek to be the reserve keeper, any funds brought in can be used on other areas)
LB - Malacia
CB - de Ligt - some will disagree but he has fitness concerns and I'd rather keep Maguire
M - Casemiro, Ugarte (a much reduced wage and role might be good for the former on a 1yr deal but probably not happening)
AM/W - Rashford, Sancho
ST/F - Zirkzee, Hojlund

Some fans will want to add the likes of Shaw, Martinez & Mount to the list, primarily due to their poor fitness records but I honestly do not see the club moving any of them. Bring in a player like Diouf (West Ham) to split with Shaw, spread the workload at CB between Maguire, Martinez, Yoro & Heaven and use Mount as a bench option.

From the above list, only Casemiro is a major contributor with Ugarte, de Ligt & Zirkzee minor role players. The funds these sales / released players would free up, coupled with (hopefully) a return to CL football, should give United plenty of ammo to go on a nice summer spending spree (2 x MID, 1 x LB etc.)
 
TRUE NUMBER 9 said:
To go...just a few thoughts...

GK - Onana, Bayindir (Radek Vítek to be the reserve keeper, any funds brought in can be used on other areas)
LB - Malacia
CB - de Ligt - some will disagree but he has fitness concerns and I'd rather keep Maguire
M - Casemiro, Ugarte (a much reduced wage and role might be good for the former on a 1yr deal but probably not happening)
AM/W - Rashford, Sancho
ST/F - Zirkzee, Hojlund

Some fans will want to add the likes of Shaw, Martinez & Mount to the list, primarily due to their poor fitness records but I honestly do not see the club moving any of them. Bring in a player like Diouf (West Ham) to split with Shaw, spread the workload at CB between Maguire, Martinez, Yoro & Heaven and use Mount as a bench option.

From the above list, only Casemiro is a major contributor with Ugarte, de Ligt & Zirkzee minor role players. The funds these sales / released players would free up, coupled with (hopefully) a return to CL football, should give United plenty of ammo to go on a nice summer spending spree (2 x MID, 1 x LB etc.)
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de Ligt is one of our best players, so it would be completely irrational and counterproductive to sell him. He will probably be our next captain as well. Agreed on the rest though. Collyer should probably also be on the list.
 
Raoul said:
de Ligt is one of our best players, so it would be completely irrational and counterproductive to sell him. He will probably be our next captain as well. Agreed on the rest though. Collyer should probably also be on the list.
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Depends on his health though. Professional player with an injured back doesn’t give me confidence over his availability moving forward.
 
elmo said:
Depends on his health though. Professional player with an injured back doesn’t give me confidence over his availability moving forward.
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You can‘t sell someone with a bad back.

Our best bet is try fixing him up.
 
elmo said:
Depends on his health though. Professional player with an injured back doesn’t give me confidence over his availability moving forward.
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By that logic, why would anyone buy him?

The reality is Deligt isn’t going anywhere and will likely remain a United player for the rest of his prime playing career.
 
Raoul said:
de Ligt is one of our best players, so it would be completely irrational and counterproductive to sell him. He will probably be our next captain as well. Agreed on the rest though. Collyer should probably also be on the list.
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When he is fit, he is good...but he has been breaking down with alarming regularity for some time - even before his United days.
 
TRUE NUMBER 9 said:
When he is fit, he is good...but he has been breaking down with alarming regularity for some time - even before his United days.
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Bayern fans were upset when he left, and I suspect United fans would be as well. Fortunately, I don't think that will happen just as it hasn't happened for Shaw, Mount, or Martinez.
 
Raoul said:
Bayern fans were upset when he left, and I suspect United fans would be as well. Fortunately, I don't think that will happen just as it hasn't happened for Shaw, Mount, or Martinez.
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A pretty major issue is the health of a number of the backline - de Ligt, Shaw, Martinez & Mazraoui are all decent or better players yet all of them are made of glass. I'd like to see United move for Diouf (West Ham LB) in the summer, to spell Shaw and hopefully develop a long term partnership down the left with Dorgu / Cunha. The CB position will probably be looked at next time, with the midfield being the critical area to improve this summer. Who knows, perhaps by then, Yoro or Heaven will have taken some strides toward commanding a position of their own, they both have the talent.
 
Can we please get a petition going for Dalot to feck off.

I'm tired of seeing the ball enter low earth orbit when he's in possession.
 
Waynne said:
Can we please get a petition going for Dalot to feck off.

I'm tired of seeing the ball enter low earth orbit when he's in possession.
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Is he good, no. But he can stay fit, and play either fullback position and right now our fullback talent and coverage is dire. We should be buying 2 fullbacks in the window and let him compete or be a rotation option with the added games next year.
 
Waynne said:
Can we please get a petition going for Dalot to feck off.

I'm tired of seeing the ball enter low earth orbit when he's in possession.
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His greatest attribute is availability.

It would have been fine if he’d been a utility man squad player, like O’Shea or P Neville were, but its the fact he’s basically been an automatic starter for about 5 years that hammers home our mediocrity. Familiarity breeds contempt and all that.
 
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