Would love to see that!
The clear out - progression thread
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In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, we interview Duncan Drasdo of MUST - covering ticket prices, new stadium, INEOS and what fans should be demanding from our club.
Also, due to technical issues we couldn't put a notice up for the previous episode which was about the game against Bournemouth and other stuff. If you'd like to listen to it, click here.
Would love to see that!
Can Daniel Munoz play right-back or is he only viable as a wing-back
Yeah wish we could see a problem with Dalot like we seem to see one with Shaw easy enough
What about Trent from Madrid
No chance he would ever sign for us
We should've signed him a few years back.
I kind of like Alex Jimenez, Micheal Kayode now. right age and high potential.
But yeah, Diogo Dalot should be moved on now.
He is crap, not even nominated
based on how aggressively Cunha tore him a new one, I’d pass on that. Kayode has looked decent when I’ve seen him though.
Ya that’s not happening
Onana (please for the love of Rich Tea biscuits somebody buy him...)
Bayindir (recent noise about a sale)
Malacia (one year left on contract, loan out?)
Casemiro (leaving)
Ugarte (under contract for several years but try to sell asap)
Sancho (soon to be a memory - and not a pleasant one)
Rashford (hopefully Barcelona will buy him, otherwise could be complicated)
Hojlund (seems Napoli will take him)
Zirkzee (back to Serie A, perhaps?)
That list shows how United should save a fortune on wages, with some considerable fees coming in too - also, remember if anybody buys Mason Greenwood, United receive a nice slice of that pie (and with 25 goals & 8 assists this season, somebody may stump up a hefty wedge)
No need to spend to replace the reserve keeper(s) as Radek Vítek should step into that role.
Most of the list have either been away on loan or rarely featured, with only Casemiro a regular that will need replacing.
Bayindir (recent noise about a sale)
Malacia (one year left on contract, loan out?)
Casemiro (leaving)
Ugarte (under contract for several years but try to sell asap)
Sancho (soon to be a memory - and not a pleasant one)
Rashford (hopefully Barcelona will buy him, otherwise could be complicated)
Hojlund (seems Napoli will take him)
Zirkzee (back to Serie A, perhaps?)
That list shows how United should save a fortune on wages, with some considerable fees coming in too - also, remember if anybody buys Mason Greenwood, United receive a nice slice of that pie (and with 25 goals & 8 assists this season, somebody may stump up a hefty wedge)
No need to spend to replace the reserve keeper(s) as Radek Vítek should step into that role.
Most of the list have either been away on loan or rarely featured, with only Casemiro a regular that will need replacing.
Good info in that post, thanks.
Well if we can move on Hojilund, Rashford, Onana, Ugarte, Zirkzee and with Sancho, Malacia, Casemiros contracts expiring
In wages alone that would be about 74m a season depending on sites reporting accurate salaries.
With the club expecting to bring in around 100m from the transfer fees involved , as well as loan fees and wages saved for this season , you d like to think we'l have abit of freedom for decent signings.
Elliott Anderson ......Bouaddi........Smit please
In wages alone that would be about 74m a season depending on sites reporting accurate salaries.
With the club expecting to bring in around 100m from the transfer fees involved , as well as loan fees and wages saved for this season , you d like to think we'l have abit of freedom for decent signings.
Elliott Anderson ......Bouaddi........Smit please
The three part transfer special on TOTD podcast was quite interesting. Apart from the two CMs incoming. No one is sure what Utd will do after that. In terms of a backup keeper, Utd may have to bring someone in, if they sell Onana and decide it's better for Vittek to keep getting first team football elsewhere.
Whether we sign a left back or a left winger is a unknown. If you let Zirzkee go, do you bring in a LW knowing that Cunha and Mbeumo can also play upfront if Sesko is unavailable / needs a rest?
If you sign say Skelly from Arsenal for LB. He can also play as CM. So that's two birds with one stone. Freeing up funds for elsewhere in the team.
Offloading permanently Onana, Rashford, Ugarte and Zirzkee (the latter two not guaranteed to leave), will make a difference to our transfer kitty obviously.
Issue is whether it will be worth waiting to see what sort of tournament Ugarte and Zirzkee have to see if you can increase the transfer fee and interest.
Will be very interesting to see what the squad looks like when the transfer window shuts in September.
Following the championship closely, Vitek has had a strong season I'd look to be selling Onana and Bayindir and promoting Vitek.
Like the idea of the lewis-Skelly signing if it can be done at a good price, as we definitely need a leftback.
Personally believe Baleba and Bouaddi will be the midfield recruitments probably around 100m for both.
The lad at Everton for the left wing intrigues me, depends what United think as we have Lacey coming through as well as Dorgu soon to be back from injury who is decent cover for leftback and the left Cam role.
I wouldn't be disappointed with
Vitek promoted
Lewis Skelly
Bouaddi
Baleba
And a backup striker , quite like Kroupi at Bournmouth
This is pretty much what everyone is expecting. Then one would have to assume Bayindir is leaving too. I don't know about Collyer's contract, but surely he's out the door this summer too.
I know people want to rate him because coaches like him and he's always fit, but Dalot lowers the collectively level of the team. Being available for selection is not an outstanding footballer trait. I would also bite the bullet on Martinez and hopefully he can get back fit and play 2-3 top matches and have a good World Cup and get a move to Spain. I can't imagine we could shift De Ligt (I love him, but it's the same situation as with Martinez) given he's not going to play again this season. And we're unlikely to find suitors for Mount on his 200K deal while being available for every fifth match or so (that's not the actual stats, but it feels that way), but I'd sell him in a heartbeat.
I'd not bring in any player with view to them being a decent squad option. And no player because they are good and on the market. Only players we seriously need and raise the overall quality of the side, and if we can't obtain them, promote youths until we can.
We cannot be signing more average players or sicknotes. It has got to stop.
It will never stop. No transfer is a guarantee.
But I get your point, we've made some baffling decisions in recent years. Antony and Hojlund were never worth those fees, regardless of how 'inflated' the market was. I can't recall many thinking Mount was a good signing, especially that fee/contract.
This is where the signing of top youth players is such a bonus.
There was a bit of an uproar on here when we signed him. He had a year left on his deal if memory serves. I think the hive mind on the Caf would, on a majority consensus, probably do a much better job than those who have been running the club in the last 15 years.
With the injury thing, of course nothing you can do about that, happened after his move here. With Mount there were issues, with De Ligt there were issues, we've retained Shaw all these years instead of trying to shift him. And then there's all the average players and the players who are not motivated, often those two traits overlap.
I'd like to believe that with Cunha, Mbeumo, Sesko and Dorgu we're heading in the right direction. A bit too early to call though. The first three cost a lot of money and Dorgu only really started playing well after Amorim was fecked off (and in that Newcastle match as a right winger).
In the past I've been hoping we'd bring in an Enrique as some insurance policy against the incompetence at the executive level, but we actually got the opposite with Erik and thankfully we binned off Amorim before his single idea can be manifested.
Anyhow, as before, I'm more concerned with outgoings and I really do not want us to sign players unless we think they have a) huge potential b) immediately raise the collective level of the first XI or c) are great professionals who will work well with the squad and improve the overall professionalism of the side (like a more senior striker as a rotation option, a senior GK as a backup, etc.)
100%
I know JJ is a tad young but the age of all these range from 15 to 22. There is a load of talent and we need a few of these to step up. Surley there are 8-10 who can do this?
Vitek, Mainoo, Yoro, Heaven, Amass, Leon, Obi, Lacey, Amir I, Ajayi, Kukonki, Thwaites, Ngwashi, Overy, Helafu, Kone, New Columbian captain Christian, Rooney, Mantato, Nkoto twins, Harley Emsden-James, Enzo Kana-Biyik, Jacob Watson, English keeper Charlie Hardy, Darlington the Spanish keeper I hear good things from.
Vitek, Mainoo, Yoro, Heaven, Amass, Leon, Obi, Lacey, Amir I, Ajayi, Kukonki, Thwaites, Ngwashi, Overy, Helafu, Kone, New Columbian captain Christian, Rooney, Mantato, Nkoto twins, Harley Emsden-James, Enzo Kana-Biyik, Jacob Watson, English keeper Charlie Hardy, Darlington the Spanish keeper I hear good things from.
The fact that we will won’t get transfer fees for Sancho and Malacia is sickening. £80 million pounds down the drain.
If we’re able to bring in £125 million for Onana, Bayindir, Ugarte, Zirkzee, Rashford and Hojlund without failing PSR added to their wages off the wage bill along with that of Casemiro, Sancho and Malacia which I’d say at a guess is probably around £2 million a week it puts us in a far stronger position than we’ve been in for some time financially.
Getting rid of those whilst bringing in two top midfielders, a young midfielder with potential, a left back and a left sided forward gives us a very balanced squad and quite a strong squad going forward with a good mix of youth and experience.
Getting rid of those whilst bringing in two top midfielders, a young midfielder with potential, a left back and a left sided forward gives us a very balanced squad and quite a strong squad going forward with a good mix of youth and experience.
Problem will be wages as usual. Once we qualify for CL the entire squad gets a 10% uplift. So you could see why the likes of Onana maybe difficult to shift. That's before considering taking a PSR loss on him.
However I agree if we can get them out a few CMs, left back and a left winger would leave us in a stronger position.
I personally wouldn't mind bringing back Wellbeck on a free to provide cover up front.
Unfortunately Welbeck signed a new contract a few weeks back mate so isn’t an option but if a decision is made on where Dorgu will play going forward then I’d be happy bringing in three midfielders and whichever position Dorgu plays between being a left back or a left winger we bring in the position Dorgu isn’t going to play and personally I think Dorgu is better as back up/an alternative to Cunha further forward so I’d sign a left back.
If we stayed away from Tonali and Guimares so we didn’t piss Newcastle off who already hate us then trying to sign Lewis Hall along with two top midfielders who’d compliment each other and a young ball winner with lots of potential like Gomes at Wolves who’s cheap with a relegation clause as back up alongside Mainoo and using Dorgu as back up or an alternative to Cunha just makes so much sense, we’ve got enough youth to fill in any other gaps.
Malacia goes down as a swing and a miss that happens to all top clubs from time to time, but Sancho may go down as the worst transfer in the history of the PL...possibly the history of European football. Despite verified reports of odd off-pitch behavior, there really was a top footballer in Jadon Sancho when he was with Dortmund. Not just a one-month wonder, but a proper footballer who looked destined for world class eminence. But then he had an ear infection that either wasn't properly treated or that it somehow caused a mental breakdown that led to his collapse as a footballer who at this point would be lucky to sign a deal for 75k/week.
In any event, here we are this is the clearout thread. I have my doubts we'll be able clear out more than 3-4 players due to their wages, We shall see.
How much did Malacia cost? Still a total cost of £30-35m.
Sancho never had the attitude to be a success. There was a reason City were ok with him leaving. Dortmund hired someone to wake him up! All the red flags were there from the start.
Appalling transfer. All down to attitude, and that was always there.
Is Hojlund transfer an obligation or is there a chance he comes back?
As it stands, Mudryk is worse IMO.
Onana comes for that award with both hands and flaps at it.
Still amazes me that they ignore Tony Coton's warnings about Onana and went ahead because ETH wanted him. Utter madness. Especially as inter got €50mil for him and replaced him with a superior keeper in Sommer for a fraction of the price.
Virtually no chance - it's a total obligation if Napoli qualify for the CL (and they want to keep him anyway - his goal record's decent, he seems to be popular enough and they're solid financially)
Could’ve got a sturdy broom and some gardening gloves from B&Q for less than £50. Probably would’ve stopped more than he did in that Champions League campaign.
I still can’t imagine any club would
At least one of the centre halves needs to go.
Dorgu needs to be given more time. His injury came at a really unfortunate time.
They could be right about Maz. I really like some of what he’s done, but if he cannot dislodge Dalot, then we need to be looking at better.
It looks like we paid 15m for Malacia. Still a bad buy, but he was something of a punt in the first place.
But Jadon Sancho...wow! It does all come down to attitude, but what was it about Dortmund that enabled him to overcome his shitty attitude toward being a professional footballer to be a world beater?
Was he ever a world beater? That’s a genuine question. He never did it for England, did he do it for Dortmund in big European games?
”Luke Shaw is the best left back in europe when he’s fit”
Which games is he watching? Reruns from 22/23?
Also, bar this season, in which he very clearly is not the best left back in europe, England or even Manchester, he’s never fecking fit so what the holy mother of god is he on about?
Got to be ragebait.
Which games is he watching? Reruns from 22/23?
Also, bar this season, in which he very clearly is not the best left back in europe, England or even Manchester, he’s never fecking fit so what the holy mother of god is he on about?
Got to be ragebait.
Couldn’t agree more, absolute liability. I expect he’ll go on late window loans to random clubs across Europe that have panicked after their first choice does their ACL in late August for the next couple of seasons before leaving for a nominal fee or having his contract annulled.
Sancho is a feckless wastrel and was probably never up to it physically, but at least you can tell he’s got proper technique. From day one, when he punched a Wolves player and got away with it, Onana looked like his gloves were too small, his clown shoes were too big and he’d dropped several kilos of fudge in his undergarments. Utterly useless.