At the end of the day, they want the world cup more than want Ronaldo. He's holding them back. He also becomes petulant every time he can't perform, trying to divert attention.Wow ... I thought they worshipped him unconditionally there
The comprehensive Ronaldo thread
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Even Portugal manager hitting out saying he didn’t like Ronaldo’s reaction to being substituted. Ronaldo really does want the world to hate him. 
Wheels are coming off big time.
Objectively speaking, anyone who won 5 Ballon D’ors (+ another 6 times as runners up) will be in conversation.
Hope Switzerland send the prat packing.
I would be very surprised if Santos drops him. He has shown a lack of balls through his tenure.
The timing of voting was indeed abit controversial, but individually he did score more goals than Messi+Ribery combined over that year though, even though they are all playing as wing forward.
2013
Ronaldo: 69 goals + 15 assists
Messi: 45 goals + 16 assists
Ribery: 22 goals + 18 assists
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His first 2/3 seasons at Madrid were actually quite similar to the Ronaldo at United, it wasn't till the first UCL win under Ancelotti that he became Ronaldo the machine.
I expect him to score today (in a 3-1 loss) and be proclaimed the comeback king on social media
Read my post again…it’s my opinion…I’m entitled to be selective and to subjectively think certain moments were my greatest United memories and certain other moments were not….
Your post only points out that he was, in parts, very important and excellent for us…which I have not doubted or disagreed with at all.
what I do think is that due to his stature and career and achievements away from Utd, some fans remember his time with us with more weight than they did the first time round. The guy was amazing, scoring for fun and yes, coming up with important goals. The topic was “greatest Utd memories” which some other guy mentioned in his post…I personally have very few great memories involving Ronaldo. Where’s the controversy?
With regard to a list of players providing the most “great moments” all I said was that it would make a good thread…and that perhaps Ronaldo would not feature as prominently as his reputation among some Utd fans might suggest he should (GOAT and all that). I didn’t compare his record to anyone else’s - so not sure why you’re responding with such energy to something I wasn’t talking about.
when I have time I’ll do a list for a few other players and actually see where Ronny fits for me. Until then, just wanted to make sure you weren’t taking my silence as an acceptance that you actually made a valid point.
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Most Portuguese want him as far away from the starting XI as possible:
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/2022-12-03...ularidade-na-selecao-nacional-veja-o-r/967020
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/2022-12-03...ularidade-na-selecao-nacional-veja-o-r/967020
A few points…..
firstly you said it’s your opinion and then stated ‘When asked honestly to provide a list of really great Ronny moments people struggled to get past 5 or six’. Well that’s other peoples opinions that you’re bringing in there isn’t it? So then it’s not your subjective opinion is it.
Secondly picking some random moments that didn’t include Ronaldo doesn’t mean that Steve Bruce headers, winning the FA Cup or Wayne Rooney diving for a pen and scoring a tap in were more ‘united moments’ than Ronaldo scoring crucial goals to win us leagues away at City and Wigan, scoring the first and putting on a Masterclass in an FA Cup final win as a teenager, being majestic in CL games such as away in Roma or Porto, or that destroying Arsenal away from home in a CL semi isn’t far more a ‘united moment’ than beating them at home in a league game in October. You mention comebacks but no mention of epic comebacks that Ronaldo led….lads it’s Spurs, Villa, Arsenal. Roy Keane every fecking game? How about Ronaldo every fecking game in 07/08…42 goals, his league goals won us 21 points on there own, won us the league and he scored the only goal in the CL final for us, but of course that doesn’t count because he missed a penalty, funnily enough for you key penalties he scored that won us leagues don’t count either. Individually he won the golden boot, player of the league, our player of the year and is one of only four united players to win the balon dor. In addition to that season, the season before and after he was also crucial in us winning the league three times in a row, but perhaps that time we won three in a row wasn’t memorable for you? Perhaps it was more memorable the three seasons after he left where we won one league title and a league cup and not three league titles, the CL, the world club cup and a league cup?
Thirdly, what case did you feel you’d made quite convincingly then? The case that you don’t remember any Ronaldo ‘united moments’ as highly as some random league wins against Liverpool or City in mediocre seasons for united? Great point well made.
(Good luck finding any player with a list of more standout moments and crucial goals that gave United fans successful moments to enjoy than Ronaldo, I’ll keep waiting for you to invalidate my point)
When it comes to being talked about decades after you finish playing it’s as much about how loved you were as to how many people will back you as the greatest…tiger prob won’t beat jacks record and yet he’s liked enough (and good enough) to always be in the chat by the majority who don’t really know the stats….Tyson doesn’t have the love that Ali had and it defo hurts him in those discussions…legacy isn’t just stats and ronaldo for me played so many cards wrong away from the pitch it’s just abit of a shame for me…far fewer will be so eager to throw his name about long after he’s retired.
Seems they're not that stupid, then.
Yeah I don't think they need much help. Souness particularly is clueless.
Would be a big balls move from Santos to actually bench Ronaldo, one that might make me revisit my opinion on their chances this world cup... If Santos actually does that, then I think they can go all the way. Though a lot would depend on Ronaldo also just not wreaking havoc being benched, and we all know how that goes..
Wow did not realize Santos had balls. The disrespect!!
Dropped for club and now country. The beginning of the end. I'd feel bad if he wasn't such a delusional cnut.
Even though he was awful in the previous game, he’d probably have retained his place if he’d accepted being substituted. This is quite a sad end to his career.
Holy shit I didn't see that coming. Alright Portugal has shot up my favourites to win now.
Well Jeppers…that’s the point…you don’t seem to accept that I have a different opinion…as usual. I gave my opinion based on a number of posters saying he was responsible for some of their greatest Utd memories….I genuinely have different great memories and questioned whether - aside from the ones I agreed with, if there were many more. And the response just named the same few….now you have tried to expand on that but only succeeded - as I said before - in recounting the fact he was great for us for a few seasons. A point I never disputed.
look man, Keep getting energised by people who legitimately don’t agree with you. I’ll get back to you …but not to invalidate your point…just to show you that you took me up wrong and as usual are on a crusade.
Anyway, will be interesting to see his reaction if Portugal score…I know he has an ego but surely seeing your country progress in a World Cup is more important than him starting having just played almost a full game just days ago. If he doesn’t join in with any celebrations that might occur…well he really is doing some lasting damage to his legacy.
Santos knows he has nothing to lose now. Ronaldo is done after this tournament so who cares, no more pandering to his antics. He’s a burden.
Why has Ronaldo been benched??
I saw the thing about him shushing an opposition player but these things happen every match… what am I missing
I saw the thing about him shushing an opposition player but these things happen every match… what am I missing
Because he isn't good?
Hes shite.
Surprised he isn't already on his private jet flying home in a tantrum. But I guess he's still hoping he can leach a world cup medal.
Thoughts with Piers at this difficult time
Let’s hope he fecks off on his jet after they lose.
Haha wanker.
I’m worried. This is the day that Santos gave Ronaldo a chance of winning the World Cup.
Can't wait for the interview. Can't believe they've disrespected him like this. He was so good like what, 3 or4 years ago? Disgusting.
Good job he's got loads of clubs lining up to sign him as a free agent to console him.
Good job he's got loads of clubs lining up to sign him as a free agent to console him.
This guy just doesn't understand and its hard for him to accept that he's not "that guy" anymore and right now he's in a complete denial.
It's petty but I'm now tempted to tune in for kick off just to see his face
How much more betrayal can he take?
Get ready for what will probably be the best player-manager performance of all times. Or at least since that 2016 EURO final game in which he also pretended to lead the team from the sidelines.
Interview with Piers Morgan being conducted on Zoom as we speak. "Santos has disrespected me."
This isn't going to sit well with Piers.
If Santos won't even start him for a knockout game, there isn't a good team out there that will take him on with his expectation to start. Needs to take the 200 mil a season and enjoy a life he has earned.
If Santos won't even start him for a knockout game, there isn't a good team out there that will take him on with his expectation to start. Needs to take the 200 mil a season and enjoy a life he has earned.
It will be worse if they lose now, they will say it was because he didn’t start
He's going to go full Homelander tonight isn't he
From the bench