The current negativity and how will it effect next season?

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  1. Apr 5, 2018
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Was having a think about next season and whether I see a genuine title challenge from us or not and came to the conclusion the answer probably relies on two factors

    1- New signings
    2- whether the current negativity subsideds before this season ends

    I was looking at where it all went wrong for Mourinho at Chelsea and it started with not being backed in the transfer market the summer before his exit, that I don't believe will happen here as we've always backed our managers in the transfer market. The current negativity around the club though does worry me

    1- the fans aren't happy with the manager's comments and his style of play
    2- The Pogba situation
    3- The left wing position to which the media are putting pressure on us to play Rashford, the fans want Martial and Jose obviously prefers Sanchez

    I can't quite pinpoint when the negativity really came to the forefront but certainly a lot weren't happy even before the UCL exit (a lot weren't happy with the performances in the wins against Chelsea and Liverpool for example)

    Anyone else feel next season could be destablised before it's even begun due to the above issues (or others) before it's even started and if so what do you think we should do to address them?
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    JohnLocke Full Member

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    I think a couple of shiny new signings will cheer everyone up.

    If Pogba is still here all well and good, and if he's not, ah well. I think he will still be here but his performances haven't been anywhere near good enough over the season so if he goes, he goes.
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    NFM New Member

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    The only negativity stems from anyone being silly enough to take any notice of the press/media.
    United are in 2nd place aiming for 82 points or thereabouts. This season that was only ever going to get 2nd place, good improvement on last few years.
    Semi-finals of FA Cup.
    Beaten by Seville in CL who could easily have drawn with Bayern this week and are not out of the tie yet. As I said after our defeat by Seville, they are a very good cup side, who nearly beat Barca last week. The reaction from media and some on this site was very disrespectful to Seville. Currently they are about the same standard as United, especially in big/cup games.
    Not many people want to see Martial picked in front of either Sanchez or Rashford, he is totally overrated by some here.
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    Raees Legal Guardian of the Football forums

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    Time is a great healer and new signings, world cup giving much needed respite and hopefully if we finish season 2nd.. then I am sure even the doubters (myself included) will press the reset button and give Jose a fair crack of the whip again going into next season.

    Where it will become destabilizing is if the same issues you speak of rear their ugly head again early on into the season and by that time, most fans would probably rightfully lose their shit again and the whole 'he hasn't had time to mould his squad or lack of spendng' will not be a tolerable excuse anymore.
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    There is nothing to suggest that relations between the players and mangers is strained, so the summer will provided a much needed chance to regroup - we all know where we have fall short and what needs to be improved upon. It's not as if we're at a loss as to what to do.

    The beauty of football is that you always get to wipe the slate clean - it's why it's such an enduring sport. If we all got too hung up, the game wouldn't be nearly as captivating.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt

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    I think it depends on how we finish the season.
    Playing good football and winning the FA cup will lift everyone up.
    Fans have seen past signings and things like that.
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    I was thinking about the negativity the other day and I don't appraise it matters so much. Mourinho is comfortable at the club. We get 2nd place (probable) and there is nothing that anyone can say that really makes a difference. I don't know: the club, the players, the manager - they all seem a lot more resilient. It's stability, or what passes as stability for us these days. I'm happy.

    We're never gonna have an absence of negativity and Mourinho can take a lot of credit for putting himself/us in a place where it won't take us/him down.

    The board and even the Glazers deserve credit too for sticking to their project and not paying too much heed to the fans. Leadership is what's needed in tough times.
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    The Old Trafford crowd are always positive at the beginning of the season. That is what matters. Opinions on forums and media is irrelevant to the team performance.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Fingers crossed.

    New signings are always a good way to get fans excited again, mind you. Although I've got to the point where I dread the thought of signing new players. That's the slippery slope to what we've seen from Liverpool/Arsenal over the previous decade. "We'll definitely win the league if we sign a new central midfielder, a left back and a striker..." Balls to that. New signings often flop no matter how good they seem on paper (God knows we've seen this happen often enough in the last 5 years) and bedding in new players can actually make the team play worse in the short term (as we're seeing with Sanchez right now)

    So yeah, chances are we'll all get giddy again when we sign our latest galactico in the summer but I'd much prefer if it was performances on the pitch over the next month or so gave us reasons to be optimistic. If that doesn't happen then I'm not convinced we'll be able to buy our way to success next season.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Don't think it will be a big issue. World cup, transfer window with most going muppet mode should heal most things.

    Also most fans are usually positive at the start of the season.
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    I think a positive performance and result against City on Saturday would make people more positive that we can look forward to next season.
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    I agree there's far too much negativity around in the United fan base and when this starts to infiltrate to OT it becomes a big problem. They problem we have at the minute is too many are buying the media agenda and jumping on the bandwagon that we should be playing full throttle football and winning 4-0 every week which is frankly unrealistic.

    We had great results against Chelsea and Liverpool (who I think will challenge for the title next season), which went down without a murmur and then a sub par performance and disappointing exit against Sevilla and the pitchforks and negativity were out again. It seems a lot of fans are simply waiting for bad results as an opportunity to slate Mourinho. We need to create a positive mentality here and learn to bounce back from upsets, as Fergies teams used to do, if we are to challenge for major honours again.

    I predict that at the first sign of a negative result next season many will be calling for Mourinho's head with the 'no more excuses' chat etc. At present it feels like something is slightly rotten in the club and I'm not convinced it's the management, rather in the fan base, with some almost willing us to fail to validate their discontent with Mourinho. The negativity needs to stop and we must start fresh next season believing we can win the lot.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt

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    This place will be buzzing, if by some miracle we outplay City on Saturday.
    I've often said, we are not as far from City as the table suggests.
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    It’s hard to be positive with the style of football we’re being served up, and worse, watching you’re two main rivals play great football. For the first time since I was a kid going to watch United at the end of the 70s I don’t look forward to watching this team. And I don’t think it’s the players, how can we have such a rich abundance of talent and excitement and play like we are doing? This negativity has spread from the pitch to the stands. I’m trying to see positivity where I can but the rare sparkles are not bright enough to shine through the fog. Is anyone honestly looking forward to this weekends game and everything that surrounds it? Is the only positive thing that City May have to field an under strength team to concentrate on the CL return leg? Is that where we are at?
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    Us being successful next season will depend on a number of factors. But the three main ones:

    1. Transfer Market - Addressing our obvious weaknesses: Fullbacks, RW, CM and maybe CB.
    2. City's Form - City cannot keep up their current league form, surely this is a once off. If not, it won't matter how good we are unless we aim for 100+ points.
    3. Jose 3rd season meltdown - Probably my biggest fear. Regardless of new additions I fear if things are not rosy for what ever reason, come Christmas, he could lose the dressing room. This wastes another season for us fans.
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    Judge Red Don't Call Me Douglas

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    In terms of a title challenge, in most other seasons we’d still be in one with this year’s points tally and then a lot of the unrest from players and fans alike wouldn’t be there.
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    This. Nothing any of us say in here matters to anyone outside of here.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    If you watch fancams from the likes of FTD and the other channels the negativity isn't just here it is among those who attend the games as well
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    If you only care about results then technically you will go into the season just fine, right now I feel like I did in LvG's second season, we are a chore to watch and I don't see this improving no matter who we buy so I'm not seeing signings as something that will alter the view, as we've bought exciting players under this manager already and it's not produced great football, in fact I'm more worried we'll be signing the likes of Vidal, Willian or Bale.

    Mourinho is arrogant and stubborn and unlikable, I'm not convinced he can change, he certainly seems to see the issue is with the style of play though as after the last two games he's specifically focused on that aspect in his post-match comments, so if we played the rest of the season with game after game like we played the first half against Swansea then a flicker of belief that he can change would perk up the start of next season
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    In general I just don’t think i’ll ever like the way Jose plays football or how it’s implemented or his beliefs that you’re controlling the game when you don’t have the ball. That to me is just “wow, really?”

    However, you go in to every season hoping for change. There might be some cautiousness over going in to the season as Jose is Jose and he’ll do what he wants which is to play this way. Another problem is he hasn’t even got the team to play the Jose way well at all, so even that is a bit of a conundrum.

    I think really I’ve just come to terms with until he leaves it’ll just be soulless joyless football.
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    The long summer and especially the world cup will clear everyone's heads and we'll start with a clean slate.

    After that, it's all about how we perform on the pitch.
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    All of this could be solved with some good man-management and tactics to be fair.

    1 - I think we will be as long as we're competing for 1st place. Liverpool and Chelsea has given Mou a bit more line - to me its not all doom and gloom.
    2 - We can't let a player of this potential go. They're hard to get, and have such a high ceiling if played correct.
    3 - Rashford/Martial on the left to compete (this pressure has worked wonders on both), Sanchez on the right. Surely Mourinho will realize this sooner or later.

    I'm a fan of Mourinho, but if Mourinho can't see these obvious things, then he's an obstruction rather than a good coach that should bring the team together. I think he will eventually figure it out - we just need a really great player in centre midfield to bind them all together. A safe and reliable player like Kroos.
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    We simply must not lose Paul Pogba. He's such a big player when in good form - and these players are hard to get when you're not topping the tables.

    At least keep him a season more to see if Mourinho fails or does good, so another manager eventually can mould him better.
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    Smores Full Member

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    New season should be a clean slate, being in competition for the league again will help. A lot or our negativity stems from City having wrapped up the league so early.

    Those who don't have any excitement for next season left should sell their season tickets and go find another hobby until Jose is gone rather than bore the rest of us with negativity.
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    Negativity on a fancam is completely different. That's something that happens post game as a reflection.

    From my experience going to matches there are three types of fans:

    1) Hardcore fans that go to almost every game home and away, that Cheer on the team no matter what
    2) Casual fans that support United, but are not too invested in the club. These are the ones that are most likely affected by a outside factors because they mainly go for the entertainment rather than as tradition.
    3) Tourist fans that support United, who go with the flow of the game, when we attack and defend well they cheer, when we are playing poorly they are quiet.

    I would say the majority of match going fans are tourists, and are usually too enamored by the occasion itself to care about negativity from the outside. They are just enjoying their match day experience.
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    A few good signings clears the head. It will all start again if performances don't improve though.
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    New season, new start but unless they start getting rid of the middle of road players we have then I cannot see us moving forward. The likes of Darmian, Shaw, Blind, Fellaini need to go and be replaced with players that can be trusted by the manager. These guys don't even come off the substitute bench anymore.
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    I dont think we have to wait for new signing for the negativity to go. There are still 3 targets that if achieved the negativity will go and one starts this weekend
    1. Stop city winning the title this Saturday. I know it may look small time for a club like Manchester United but that's what is. We must not lose to city this Saturday. Now a win would be amazing and we can beat city but a draw wouldn't be half bad

    2. Finish 2nd is very important. No excuse for blowing away that. 80 plus points and finishing 2nd is progress however people can spin that.

    3. Win the fa cup. Again maybe not a major trophy for some but beating spurs at their second home and beating Chelsea (they should beat soton) in finals would be amazing and show that we are surely 2nd best club in this league and with right signings can move even further.

    It is important we achieve these three targets in the next month and a half.
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    bosnian_red Worst scout to ever exist

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    Negativity stems from having really bad results decently often to go along with constant bad performances. After the losses against Newcastle and Spurs (which came shortly after a bad run in december) and then drawing 0-0 to sevilla, we put ourselves in the position that anything other then 5 wins in the next 5 games would be shit for us. Chelsea and liverpool at Old Trafford, Brighton in the FA cup and Sevilla in the CL. I put it many times myself that they were must wins for me to have any reason to back Mourinho any more. He grinded out 4 wins in those 5 games, with only the liverpool performance being good all around and us plainly being better, while Chelsea we were shit for the first half and then improved in the 2nd once we were forced to attack, just like against palace how we were shit until we went 2 down. Then Brighton was an awful game. But he lost in the most important one arguably to a side that is decent at best. So that's where the negativity stems from. If the performances were good and entertaining, he would have a lot more lee-way and things like Sevilla could be forgiven.

    What can he do to fix it next season? Play more entertaining football. Not set his team up to stifle the opponent in every single big game but actually look to impose himself on them. Which is never going to happen. So I'm kind of at the point where I got with LvG and Moyes where there isn't too many signs for optimism in terms of thinking he can close the gap with us and the very top. Let him hand pick whoever he wants around the world and Mourinho would still go defensive in big games, and that's what ultimately will be his downfall.

    To at least improve the attitude around and get us back in a good mood though, probably not give City the title this weekend, finish the season very strongly and like we started, scoring goals and finishing 2nd. Win the FA Cup at the bare minimum. We've put ourselves in the position where there are very very few games where we can get away with not winning. Most of the remaining games are must wins, and that came about because of constantly fecking up before in the season. Mid 80s points (means we can drop points in 2 games max from now on), and the FA cup would represent a good season. Anything else and it's an arsenal/spurs type season, only with playing shit football instead of entertaining football.
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    I would add a "discernible style of play" to this list. I think this is extremely important moving into next season. One of the main criticisms from many people (myself included) is our lack of any sort of coherent plan or style. That's something that needs to be sorted, and that falls on the shoulders of Jose. It's paramount that we address this for our remaining games this season, and take it into next season.

    I'm not 100% confident that he can do it, but I'm confident enough that I'm happy to see him remain at the club. It's almost more important than any signings we make.
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    We may get some talented players in this summer, but I am expecting a repeat of this season. It's all good being coached to defend, but the team needs a solid attacking plan and good coaching as well.
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    Rafaeldagold Full Member

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    Apart from the Seville game Mourinho is doing well I’d say this season. B grade.

    Next season would help if our own fans acrually supported the team and the manager without trashing them first opportunities.

    The biased media and other fans aready do that part. It seems some of our fans won’t be happy unused we win 5-0 every game- it’s entitled and ridiculous.
    Yes we’re the biggest club in England and the world, but don’t expect that to mean we’ll walk over everyone every season. In about a year/two we’ll be at our best. Until then enjoy the journey!
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    King Kana New Member

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    Spot on. I said somewhere last night that, with all due respect, United fans seem to be the most harshest in the division at the moment. It’s crazy to see United fans lauding Poch when you’re streets ahead of him and/or Klopp when you’ve beaten him fair and square over two legs.

    You underestimate your own manager as players and that’s never a recipe for success. For a team to truly succeed the 12th man (fans) need to be on side. Liverpool didn’t stop singing and screaming from start to finish last night. You’d think Klopp was Shankly the way they go about things. He’s bombed two finals for them and still hasn’t won fook all. You have won 2 pots with your manager and could win one more by seasons end. You wouldn’t know it by all the negativity amongst your support.

    Think it’s time your fans matured a bit. Time to school the youngsters that Woodward’s about to integrate into Old Trafford to start making noise.
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    Thank all the weak links responsible for stagnation and send them far away from this magnificent football club. More ambitious, aggressive and hungry players from various age sections should revitalise atmosphere and overall tempo. If what Lukaku said was true about great players joining in the summer then I have no reasons not to believe him. Some serious summer business plus additions from academy and loans returning should do the job.

    Hopefully Mourinho will find some energy, too. He's winning trophies already but we all know his teams can be way better than this.

    Last thing and most important - Time. It's a rebuilding phase and it's a huge football club.
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    Marcky411 Full Member

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    Very true, we just have to come to terms with the Jose way unfortunately.
    The sad part about it, is that I can't really get excited about this summer's transfer window, because after 2 years and 4 transfer windows I have got the feeling it doesn't matter who we buy we will continue to play this dire football. The only concern I have at the moment, is that if you go by the media(95% cr@p) we seem to be linked with a lot of 29-30 year old ready made players who will be looking for a final contract/payday.
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    Marcky411 Full Member

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    I have to agree to an extent but then Jose and Co mustn't moan about how quiet OT is and the only time the club will really take notice of the fans is when there are a lot of vacant seats at games.
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    it's hard to imagine a time when we will be really positive for a sustained period with a feel good factor under Jose

    whilst he is in charge I think it seems fairly inevitable we will give up momentum gained to play in a cowardly fashion against decent teams, he's going to lose his shit at some of our players regardless of ability and potential and he's generally going to be a miserable fecker who courts confrontation both in and outside of the club

    that's my view anyway
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    Not sure I agree, i mean we signed Sanchez and people were positive until they saw how he was deployed.

    Personly thinks it's going to go two ways next year, either we win the league playing the pragmatic football we have been, or we don't Mourinho has a bit of a meltdown falls out with the fans players and the board and leaves or is fired because his position has become untenable.

    I don't think there is anything in between, I can't see Mourinho been here at the end of next season if we don't win the league or champions league next season and even if we do I can't see Mourinho been at the club much past that, the way he acts and his teams play he just burns so may bridges its hard to see him ever staying at any club for more then a few years.
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    Pyro19 Full Member

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    He isn't magically going to become an attacking coach over the course of the summer break that we all want.

    I can see the fanbase turning on him if Liverpool, City and Spurs maintain their current styles of play (who will also upgrade over the summer) and we aren't in the Top 2 going 3-4 months into the season. I don't think the Old Trafford faithful will have the patience to keep up with his Shit football and cowardly mentality 3 season in a row.
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    I think Sanchez was something just seemed to unfold and we had to act to get him if we wanted him at the time, and then had to shoe-horn him into the side. The summer signings should be longstanding targets and strengthen the overall squad.

    Never know how they will work out, been a lot of disappointments over the years (di Maria, Falco) but we are making progress and we will build on that next year. The "blip" in December and going out against Sevilla aside, this season has been pretty good and I think a couple of much needed signings should have us back to where we should be next year, or thereabouts anyway.

    If Mourinho is here or not is another thing though. But if he's not we will be leaving a stronger side than this years for the next manager.