I was around in both.Some people seem to think he's not up to bringing us the major titles, mate. Obviously weren't around in 89/90 when some impatient fans were calling for Sir Alex's head. Look through a lot of these forums and Ole is getting pelters, crazy I know(the Atalanta game was less than 5 days ago). The modern fan wants everything on tap.
What, so just give up on Ole when he's just getting going?I was around in both.
Some people, such as yourself, make lazy comparisons between managers of completely different pedigree and in different eras. SAF earned his time because he broke up the duopoly in Scotland and won the league with Aberdeen. Ole has relegated Cardiff. One earned his goodwill and the other did not.
He's not getting going. He's 3 seasons in and we currently look worse than before he joined, with star studded quality on top. And he has no goodwill in his previous endeavours to warrant faith in turning it around.What, so just give up on Ole when he's just getting going?
You're clearly trolling.What, so just give up on Ole when he's just getting going?
Nice wumming. It's almost believable as long as someone doesn't take a look at your posting history, you rascal.What, so just give up on Ole when he's just getting going?
Getting going after 3 years?What, so just give up on Ole when he's just getting going?
Anyting other than a title challenge means that this forum is going to be a unbearably toxic place for the rest of the year. Of course a lot of the vitrol is warranted right now but earlier in the season its been the same.
If mods actually took action to adress the heated tone here maybe this place would be fun to attend again, but right now its just a place filled with gotchas and people wanting to be right about being angry.
It peaked when someone made a thread saying they were happy we lost. That was the peak for me in regards to how low you can sink as a fan of this club.
While I agree about the state of the place I dont agree with your first sentence.Anyting other than a title challenge means that this forum is going to be a unbearably toxic place for the rest of the year. Of course a lot of the vitrol is warranted right now but earlier in the season its been the same.
If mods actually took action to adress the heated tone here maybe this place would be fun to attend again, but right now its just a place filled with gotchas and people wanting to be right about being angry.
It peaked when someone made a thread saying they were happy we lost. That was the peak for me in regards to how low you can sink as a fan of this club.
Absolutely no need for posts like this.Anyone still backing Ole to bring major titles is certifiable and needs to be institutionalized.
People want the team to play good football and win titles. Meanwhile, people like you where content on the team being shit as long as you could signal your faith and how "good" a fan you are, while the people who saw where it was going from the start where painted as plastics, "bad fans" et cetera.If mods actually took action to adress the heated tone here maybe this place would be fun to attend again, but right now its just a place filled with gotchas and people wanting to be right about being angry.
Top if fhe champs league group, can you honestly see us going any further? We will continue to get hammered unless there is a change.Its 8 games in and we are still top of the champions league group, its way too early to treat the season as a write off and either let him manage it out or look for a caretaker manager. A good manager can salvage everything.
It’s traditional for a new United manager to start the season with a Europa Cup campaignI've seen this line by a lot of supporters who have now realized Ole isn't the right man for the job and of course Rio, Scholes, Neville have said the same.
I find this a terribly dangerous proposition, and the ex-players have put themselves to shame by suggesting this. I fully understand the protection of Ole as he's an absolute legend, and for ex-players they never want to say he needs to go outright. But they can critique the style of play and the press etc. and indirectly suggest this, rather than say "he needs the season".
If Ole stays I think it's plausible that we win nothing and fall out of top 4. Of course our quality is too high and I think we will more likely finish 4th, but there will be toxicity and unrest among big players on the way. The likes of Bruno is negotiating a new contract now, of course Pogba is in talks and the likes of Ronaldo and Varane will be disgruntled by the mess. We will become a less attractive "project" for big players in the future after yet another season with a mile off the top and starting 6 months too late with a new manager.
Gary Neville himself says "Ole needs this season" before also saying "he needs a trophy". Can anyone explain this logic to me? We are out the title race probably, we are out the Carabao Cup. Does he think we will win the Champions League? Or is he insinuating the FA Cup should be sufficient for him to get a 4th crack? Does he even think Ole can win the FA Cup?! Surely not.
And for any other supporters saying Ole needs at least this season before the summer to revisit coaching staff, can you explain why? I'm not seeing the case for keeping him even for another week from any angle. I'd rather get an actual coach on caretaker, even someone like Blanc in for 8 months. It's clear there is nothing implemented with this side and it's only going to get more toxic.
Needs to get banned.You're clearly trolling.
Give him another 5 years maybe then we can get a capital one cupGetting going after 3 years?
Not really, it seems your own attitude is what is liable to create a divide and more likely to create cult like behaviour. Moaning about people having a different opinion to yourself. You simply have to get over the fact that people are allowed to think differently without suggesting they are hurting the club. Chances are, nobody has any say except the ownership.Ole fans are becoming a cult, the love for Ole is trumping the love for the club. How can we gamble the season hoping Ole might salvage top 4 for what reason? Another manager can come in and get top 4 easily but because Ole is a club legend he gets the privilege of playing with the club and the fans feeling. If the club keeps Ole it’s because he’s a yes man and the Glazers can control Ole and by yesterday’s reaction from the fans clapping him they’ve got us exactly where they want us….We are the new Arsenal!
Haaland, Bellingham, Dybala to name a couple.I'm not sure about the notion we'll become less attractive. We've had no bother attracting big name players under Oles stewardship so why would it make a big difference if we have another slumbering season now?
The Ole cult has new bishop I see, after UnitedSofa vacated the position.This Ole bashing is getting tiresome. One poor game and everyone is going do lally. Not even a quarter of the season gone , all the teams will take points off each other.
The acute necessity is for the team to re-establish a functioning game and basic confidence and competitiveness. If that doesn't happen, we're in a death spiral that can only have destructive effects on the squad and on our future prospects, and might at worst create a need for another major reconstruction job. That would be to squander everything that has been built since Mourinho. If OGS can do that, fine. The question is if he can. But it's hard to see right now the case for thinking that he can. And if he's kept on, and it turns out he can't, then it would be a disaster.I've seen this line by a lot of supporters who have now realized Ole isn't the right man for the job and of course Rio, Scholes, Neville have said the same.
I find this a terribly dangerous proposition, and the ex-players have put themselves to shame by suggesting this. I fully understand the protection of Ole as he's an absolute legend, and for ex-players they never want to say he needs to go outright. But they can critique the style of play and the press etc. and indirectly suggest this, rather than say "he needs the season".
If Ole stays I think it's plausible that we win nothing and fall out of top 4. Of course our quality is too high and I think we will more likely finish 4th, but there will be toxicity and unrest among big players on the way. The likes of Bruno is negotiating a new contract now, of course Pogba is in talks and the likes of Ronaldo and Varane will be disgruntled by the mess. We will become a less attractive "project" for big players in the future after yet another season with a mile off the top and starting 6 months too late with a new manager.
Gary Neville himself says "Ole needs this season" before also saying "he needs a trophy". Can anyone explain this logic to me? We are out the title race probably, we are out the Carabao Cup. Does he think we will win the Champions League? Or is he insinuating the FA Cup should be sufficient for him to get a 4th crack? Does he even think Ole can win the FA Cup?! Surely not.
And for any other supporters saying Ole needs at least this season before the summer to revisit coaching staff, can you explain why? I'm not seeing the case for keeping him even for another week from any angle. I'd rather get an actual coach on caretaker, even someone like Blanc in for 8 months. It's clear there is nothing implemented with this side and it's only going to get more toxic.
Ahhh Sammsky, you have returned.This Ole bashing is getting tiresome. One poor game and everyone is going do lally. Not even a quarter of the season gone , all the teams will take points off each other.
There are always going to be players we don't get for various reasons. So what?Haaland, Bellingham, Dybala to name a couple.
Pogba will likely leave if there's no CL football next season. And good luck attracting promising players now that everyone's seen the treatment DVB got, and what Sancho is likely to get.
I’m not sure why people keep repeating this. Conte, Zidane are available. I’m not saying both of them are our best bets and sure thing, but obviously top class managers are available and always have been.Chelsea literally won Champions League and have made themselves title favorites from the 9th position by sacking a club legend and replacing him with a top coach. The only concern is there are no obvious candidates similar to Tuchel out there but it shouldn't prevent us from doing what should be done.
Agreed. SAF took a club the size of Cardiff and won European trophies with them……Ole got Cardiff relegated. There is absolutely no comparison between the two.I was around in both.
Some people, such as yourself, make lazy comparisons between managers of completely different pedigree and in different eras. SAF earned his time because he broke up the duopoly in Scotland and won the league with Aberdeen. Ole has relegated Cardiff. One earned his goodwill and the other did not.
What you’ve said has proved my point. It’s people like you who are hurting the club and creating divide. It’s ok for you to call out my attitude and say I’m moaning but if I do the same I’m creating divide. Listen to yourself son!Not really, it seems your own attitude is what is liable to create a divide and more likely to create cult like behaviour. Moaning about people having a different opinion to yourself. You simply have to get over the fact that people are allowed to think differently without suggesting they are hurting the club. Chances are, nobody has any say except the ownership.
Ignore him, I have a strong suspicion that's Gary Neville's account.What you’ve said has proved my point. It’s people like you who are hurting the club and creating divide. It’s ok for you to call out my attitude and say I’m moaning but if I do the same I’m creating divide. Listen to yourself son!
Yes, because you're moaning about others hurting the club, that's the distinction you're failing to grasp. That's the type of behaviour that creates cults and divides among support and just isnt helpful to anyone. Whereas questioning an opinion does not.What you’ve said has proved my point. It’s people like you who are hurting the club and creating divide. It’s ok for you to call out my attitude and say I’m moaning but if I do the same I’m creating divide. Listen to yourself son!
We lost 5-0 at home to Liverpool. That is unacceptable. Or at least it should be.Its 8 games in and we are still top of the champions league group, its way too early to treat the season as a write off and either let him manage it out or look for a caretaker manager. A good manager can salvage everything.
