The Daredevil Draft R1 | Jim Beam vs BorisDeLaFora

With all players at their peak, which team do you think would win this game?


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GodShaveTheQueen

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Robson was hardly a playmaker. Gullit, Becks and Hierro should be enough for his tactics though.
You wouldn't say Robson had the attributes to play that role as part of his overall game? As I said before, not a specialist playmaker.
 

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He was agile enough and heavily involved in the build up as well. Was called the gentle giant for a reason. Looked like your typical English tall physical No.9 but hardly played like one.
Cheers, sounds good overall. I imagine Charles to play in a Lewandowski-like role here, hold up player in transition and physical goal threat in the box at the same time.
 

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Wut? Please expand on this.

He was agile enough and heavily involved in the build up as well. Was called the gentle giant for a reason. Looked like your typical English tall physical No.9 but hardly played like one.
He was called a gentle giant because he was an extremely fair player, not because he glided on the pitch as some football representation of Swan Lake.
 

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You wouldn't say Robson had the attributes to play that role as part of his overall game? As I said before, not a specialist playmaker.
His passing was always too erratic, I’d say that it was the weakest aspect of his, incredibly all-rounded, game – he was capable of great passes, but I’d easily put that aspect of him behind his goals/defensive involvement/positioning etc.

He fits in nicely in this set up though, and, as I’ve said, I have no issues with Boris’ approach or personnel.
 

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Regarding Sevilla and Barca 2010, I don't recollect the match but just checking on transfermarkt, below was what the bench looked like. They lost 4-0, 10 days later once Barcelona played the proper first team. Not a great example. For me Pool's press is still a good example, but I would say it's still vulnerable. I would still prefer a 10 men behind the ball setup against that midfield.
I genuinely think you're fecked that way. What when you concede which is very likely?

And even if you go that way, you would need a faster counter-attacking number 9 surely.
 

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He was called a gentle giant because he was an extremely fair player, not because he glided on the pitch as some football representation of Swan Lake.
Okay maybe I recollect the anecdote wrongly but I have watched him enough to say he was more than good enough to play the Van Basten role alongside Gullit.
 

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His passing was always too erratic, I’d say that it was the weakest aspect of his, incredibly all-rounded, game – he was capable of great passes, but I’d easily put that aspect of him behind his goals/defensive involvement/positioning etc.
Fair enough.

@BorisDeLeFora , great if you could put in some more thoughts as well. Especially on Hierro and Ederson choices.

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Fair enough.

@BorisDeLeFora , great if you could put in some more thoughts as well. Especially on Hierro and Ederson choices.

Will vote the next time I login.
There are only a few players I'd pick before him to face Xavi & Iniesta midfield though. Matthäus, Rijkaard and that's probably it; maybe Neeskens. His ability to somehow match the opposition regarding of their level and to force a battle on them even against all odds was something that I absolutely admire him for.
 

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This team is strongly influenced by Pulisball. I was looking to incorporate a lot of the elements of it but with a bit more attacking prowess, which I possibly got slightly carried away with, Bale has a decent long throw, Hierro played for Sam Allardyce :houllier:. Thus there is no playmaker by design.

Ederson is there to launch long balls, and in fairness, to provide an out ball as well. Originally as I said I was gonna have Hierro in midfield, but the advantage of having him at the back is that he has the ability to play quality accurate passes to feet and break the lines.

Robson is there because he is strong defensively but has the ability to run forward, basically trying to play off the front two when the ball is played up the pitch.
 

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I think this will be absolute carnage in set pieces. Beckham accurately whipping the ball in to Hierro, Stam, Ramos, Gullit, Bale, and Charles - how do you even defend against that.
 

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I mean it isn't the most sophisticated tactic, but it is a valid issue. Xavi on Charles, Iniesta on Gullit. :lol:

Tell you what, if this is played on Wednesday rainy night in Stoke am losing it.
 

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I think this will be absolute carnage in set pieces. Beckham accurately whipping the ball in to Hierro, Stam, Ramos, Gullit, Bale, and Charles - how do you even defend against that.
Aye, pips Martin O'Neil's Celtic as the most aerially impressive team I've seen.

Assuming Beam's control of the game and the ball, it's just whether Boris gets enough set-piece opportunities to capitalise on that advantage. I mind when Lennon's Celtic defeated Barcelona 2-0 at home despite having less than 20% possession. They won a single free-kick about 5-10 yards into the Barcelona half that they swung right into the penalty box and bundled into the net. And then got a late second from a long goal-pick that Xavi sliced in the Glasgow wind and Tony Watt smashed home the loose ball.
 

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I think this will be absolute carnage in set pieces. Beckham accurately whipping the ball in to Hierro, Stam, Ramos, Gullit, Bale, and Charles - how do you even defend against that.
It's really insane, when you think about it.

All of Charles, Gullit, Robson, Bale, Stam, Hierro, Briegel and Ramos are somewhere on the spectre from very good to all-time great in terms of their aerial ability – and Becks is arguably the most potent set-piece creator of all-time. I've pushed Hierro and Bale deeper for rebound shots, but you can add them up there as well.



The only thing is, it's not just arithmetics. There's only one ball and a central core of Chilavert, Baresi, Kompany and Voronin also have a very good chance of intercepting it. Yet still, it's a terrifying prospect. And, of course, there's a question of how many corners and free kicks is he going to get with technomidgets dominating the ball.
 

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It's really insane, when you think about it.

All of Charles, Gullit, Robson, Bale, Stam, Hierro, Briegel and Ramos are somewhere on the spectre from very good to all-time great in terms of their aerial ability – and Becks is arguably the most potent set-piece creator of all-time. I've pushed Hierro and Bale deeper for rebound shots, but you can add them up there as well.



Easily the best match up of the first round, although all of you who called my team midgets have been reported.
 

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Baresi, Kompany and Voronin.... zonal defence with Xavi sitting on Iniesta shoulder and I think we would somehow concede only 1
 

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So any opinions on Camacho & Bessonov as stylistic fits inside a possession setup? Genuine question, don't know enough about them.

Baresi, Kompany and Voronin.... zonal defence with Xavi sitting on Iniesta shoulder and I think we would somehow concede only 1
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On a serious note I checked their fouls committed. As I said yesterday, only one of them resulted in a dangerous position in CL final which that feckin midget Park (ironically) wasted.

They had 7 fouls. Surely, surely someone said, you be agressive in their half and do not commit foul in your own? It is really not so hard to do it ffs
 

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So any opinions on Camacho & Bessonov as stylistic fits inside a possession setup? Genuine question, don't know enough about them.
Bessonov would be fine imo, although am dead certain Bale is a problem in a way and would pushed him down. He still has to go through Baresi, but it certainly wouldn't be Alves input. Another note, am dead certain Beckham would struggle a bit against such pressing (there goes maybe bepo vote)

That said, am mostly baffled by Silva criticism. You can call it lame, not inventive, but him in this set up? I mean...


He would be on Mascherano on corners.
 

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In fear of you not deciding in yet, Rangers (and Celtic btw) are absolute shit and shouldn't be of any relevance in all time draft
 

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I have vivid image of Xavi sittinng on Iniesta during corners so we will take break.

Aye, pips Martin O'Neil's Celtic as the most aerially impressive team I've seen.
I watched Celtic - Rangers in stands, only thing you can pull out of that match is how everyone around me was wasted. But, it pips what?
 

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In fear of you not deciding in yet, Rangers (and Celtic btw) are absolute shit and shouldn't be of any relevance in all time draft
Just the attitude the technomidgets took to Glasgow and usually left with their tail between their legs.
 

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Just the attitude the technomidgets took to Glasgow and usually left with their tail between their legs.
Aye, one of the worst grounds to go into. The attitude has been a pretty straightforward though... you get drunk if you watch, you play shit if you are picked?
 

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Ok, pause, pause!!! You are not anymore unworthy then the other team, they are from feckin Glasgow ffs!!!

Line up and attack!!
 

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What's Bale's role off the ball @BorisDeLeFora ?
I see Bale as dropping back as an extra body to the left of Robson, in a kind of zonal defensive role, not quite as narrow as Beckham on the other side, but helping in cutting off passing lanes from Bessonov toward the inside right position.

I wouldn't expect him to be hugely diligent in tracking runners but the risk/reward I see from this position is that although he's further away from goal if he has a chance to build up a head of steam either carrying the ball or if a player ahead of him gains control of the football and he can run off that, it's very difficult to stop him.
 

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I just realised and been fully aware that I marked Glasgow as an inappropriate place to live. My apologies, will shit on their team as the years pass by. Nothing to do with that bi.. ok, will put in a serious mode now.
 
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When did this turn into the Jim's drinking corner thread?