Preach sister! We got this! How can we worry about a strain of flu, when we have to worry about electricity and running water
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Seriously villian, don't peddle or believe this! There's south Asians who think they are immune becuase they reside in shit.
I hope you're right. I live here.
Being immune (not that Southern Africans are immune) to malaria does not mean we are immune to Covid. And of course, having dealt with worse (are you talking disease here?) does not mean this highly contagious virus won't spread. Tuberculosis (TB) prevalence in my country (South Africa) is the highest in the world. We also have the highest number of AIDS cases. And most of us live in abject poverty in townships (I guess you know this).
And of course, winter is coming (for some reason I used a billion brackets in this response). Maybe I'm trying to isolate my points.
Isolation is the new cool.
Unfortunately, I think it might be the other way around. The sickle cell anaemia which gives a lot of Sub-Saharan Africans some resistance to Malaria, might end up compounding the illnesses caused by this particular virus.
She sign the contract before handing in her notice?
Africa’s relatively youthful population should help ensure lower mortality rate I would have thought.
Do S-S African countries suffer badly from heart disease, diabetes, obesity, etc.? My uninformed impression is that they do not, or at least not to the same extent as countries further north. This should help.
Finally, I’d imagine spending more time outdoors could help slow down the spread of this virus. May be a partial explanation for the relatively low number of cases we’ve seen in tropical regions so far (and yes there is the Singapore example, but my main memory from Singapore is that everybody spends their days in massive air-conditioned shopping malls).
None of the above is based on expertise, just some personal thoughts.
Do S-S African countries suffer badly from heart disease, diabetes, obesity, etc.? My uninformed impression is that they do not, or at least not to the same extent as countries further north. This should help.
Finally, I’d imagine spending more time outdoors could help slow down the spread of this virus. May be a partial explanation for the relatively low number of cases we’ve seen in tropical regions so far (and yes there is the Singapore example, but my main memory from Singapore is that everybody spends their days in massive air-conditioned shopping malls).
None of the above is based on expertise, just some personal thoughts.
The younger people depend on the older people. A majority in both groups live on a terribly low government subsidy and day to day jobs, which will all dry up. Breadwinners will get desperate. Wealthy people will get even more paranoid. Hospitals, which are full every winter in any case, will buckle. Angry people will take to the streets to vent their anger at the risk of infection.
I am not optimistic. But who knows. I hope you're right.
Where on the continent are you? (apologies if you mentioned already)
South Africa
Another ' Triple Nationality ' airline.
Branson owns 20% ; Air France / KLM own 31% ; and Delta ( US ) owns 49%.
And Branson's 20% is owned by a UK company which itself is owned by the Branson family owned Parent Company registered, surprise, surprise, in the Tax Haven of British Virgin Islands.
If I was a UK Tax Payer, I'd be feckin' livid if Virgin Atlantic gets even one penny from the UK Government.
I dunno man Ghana is pretty settled on electricity & running water, but safe roads & jobs? thats another storyPreach sister! We got this! How can we worry about a strain of flu, when we have to worry about electricity and running water
Well its not just that, but there those in warmer climates tend to eat a more vitamin-c filled diet which also helps build immune-system resistance.
I don't know what the situation is like in South Africa, I was only speaking on Ghana & Nigeria due to second-hand personal experience. How many deaths have there been in SA?
How so?
When was this? Why did they do that?
None. But jobs are being lost. And it's obviously just a matter of time before people start dying. And... Starving? I dunno. Maybe we dodge the bullet.
In the last year or two about not getting private health contracts I believe
Yeah the economy failing is the biggest danger so far, imo. There's no infrastructure in place to support a self-isolation lifestyle & the majority of workers get money by face-to-face interaction (at least in Ghana). But hopefully by restricting movement in & out of the country it will help flattern the curve before rainy season begins in a couple of months.
Yeah no worries, I was just being facetious. I think we’re probably still heading for much worse here in South Africa. It’s essentially just started - as at Sunday night the president declared this a disaster and shut down schools, were doing isolation and most workplaces have implemented work from home solutions. We had 62 infected as at Sunday (60 from overseas and 2 from cross infection from the 60 iirc). No deaths.I dunno man Ghana is pretty settled on electricity & running water, but safe roads & jobs? thats another story
People are stocking up on food and hygiene products so the supermarkets are quite empty. We’re still at “no more than 100 gatherings” - which will probably decrease again this week. borders have been closed, religious or cultural gatherings have been banned etc. So to this point....we’ve been alright.
Just a big concern if this virus makes its way into the informal settlements etc.
I take it back... you're right.
This will turn out to have the bigger impact than 9/11.
If taken over the last 205 years, I think it's going to end up on the list of infamy alongside the Napoleonic Wars, WWI, WWII and the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Far bigger than fall of Berlin Wall. That thawed the Cold War for some time, but Ukraine was always to bound to start that one again. I guess for some countries the fall of the Wall is the biggest defining event in their post-WWII history though. This globally will be in a different stratosphere.
Already it feels like the Manchester derby was a lifetime away.
I am scared that if we get through this with relatively few fatalities and Trump takes the credit, then people will call it overblown and not heed the warnings of the NEXT pandemic and take it lightly. That would only lead to more unpreparedness and deaths in the future.
I don't think there's much chance of that. This will have very serious and possibly disastrous economic, political and social repercussions and the world wasn't exactly in a great state before all this anyway. Best hope is that people learn from it when the dust settles, which may not be for quite sometime.
We've had 10 years of austerity, and it was promised that 2020 would see the start of some investment back into public services.
Fat chance of that now.
In fairness, I do support the policy of paying 80% of wages for workers affected by C19. But it's going to have some serious knock-on effects. I mean, this outbreak was always going to have serious economic ramifications for the UK. However, this is the first quantifiable one.
Fat chance of that now.
In fairness, I do support the policy of paying 80% of wages for workers affected by C19. But it's going to have some serious knock-on effects. I mean, this outbreak was always going to have serious economic ramifications for the UK. However, this is the first quantifiable one.
In 2003 we had SARS which spread from China to a few other countries. Most notably Canada, fortunately the virus mutated in a way that made it more deadly but less infectious.
Now we have Coronavirus. Dr in Wuhan was warning about it since Nov/Dec and he was put in jail while the Chinese Gov denied anything was wrong. If the Chinese Government had, instead of silencing and imprisoning the Doctor, listened, acted, and warned the world its likely that this virus would have been contained.
So while i’m no fan of Trump, I honestly do not understand why he is getting so much criticism but people are scared to say anything about the Chinese Government.
This virus started in China, the Chinese Doctor that warned the government and the world about it was arrested, the government lied and covered up the virus for as long as possible... because of that we are all fecked.
If anything should happen after this it should be some kind of “China treaty” amongst every country on earth, the next time there’s news of a virus in China, everyone immediately stops accepting flights, boats,,trains etc from China.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/arti...c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_posts
The Coronavirus Could Reshape Global Order
China Is Maneuvering for International Leadership as the United States Falters
Will be interesting to see the geopolitical fallout from this. I imagine some countries will move away from having so many of their vital supplies coming from one country.
And Trump reduces America's International status and standing once again.
The Coronavirus Could Reshape Global Order
China Is Maneuvering for International Leadership as the United States Falters
Will be interesting to see the geopolitical fallout from this. I imagine some countries will move away from having so many of their vital supplies coming from one country.
And Trump reduces America's International status and standing once again.
Putin sending Russian military medics into Italy @11101 says there’s growing resentment in Italy against the EU because of their reaction to the Covid-19 outbreak in Italy. Looks to be pretty politically loaded from Putin.
Italexit would arguably be more disastrous than Brexit but I can see the eurosceptics using this to push for a referendum on membership.
The EU is going to have to work a lot hard to maintain itself because the Russians and Chinese will attack any weakness
Who wants to be under US influence quite frankly? They have become a shitshow.
The Russian military doing aid work in the EU is a pretty symbolic moment in my opinion. As you say, China and Russia will be eyeing a new world order from this.
I in no way, shape or form voted Brexit nor am I happy with it. But I've always held the opinion that the exit of the UK will only be the beginning, there were already several countries who were unhappy with the EU and seeing one of the 'big names' leaving was always going to stoke some fires. This virus pandemic and the effect it will have on a lot of countries in Europe will see more countries leaving in the next few years, I reckon.
I was saying that the other day, Donald Trump is actually the perfect President for the USA in 2020 because he personifies the current state of the country and how they are viewed globally. Brash, arrogant/overly confident, vain, full of big words and big claims but nothing to back it up. They are definitely, like us, a fading power.
Loaded or not loaded doesnt change the fact that russia did something while the eu stood by
The Chinese regime deserves condemnation on a lot of issues, no doubt about that, and there's plenty to condemn them for. I'm not sure that using this outbreak to settle scores is warrented or possible.
Trump is being criticized for being a bumbling idiot, resorting to propoganda to manufacture outrage and divert attention from the actual crisis. America has been caught unprepared, and his response has been diversion, misinformation and dressing down reporters who try to do their job. He's getting far less criticism than he deserves.
Like the post below yours says, China are more likely to gain from this crisis than lose.
I actually wonder if it could be the real end of the EU, never mind Brexit. Unthinkable to say a month ago but a lot has changed in the world since then. Italy already knows but i expect other countries will find out how 'together' Europe really is once this is over.
China sent us people and equipment. Now Russia is too. We haven't had as much as a face mask from the rest of Europe.
All sides are vindicated
(though the "we're the virus" stuff belongs more in botto left or top right; top left should be a paean to China)
(though the "we're the virus" stuff belongs more in botto left or top right; top left should be a paean to China)
listening to this now..
10 days old.. Ornie trying to sound cautious and even then he gets it waaaay off.. said Liverpool will probably wrap up the title before any stadium ban takes place.
Why is gal gadot and her silly song in the middle?All sides are vindicated
(though the "we're the virus" stuff belongs more in botto left or top right; top left should be a paean to China)
This will play out for several years. No matter how well the tories do in this crisis (Churchill), if Labour can install the the right leader, then the country will be desperate for the comfort blanket that Labour will pretend to offer (Attlee)
Once this country goes into lockdown, people will begin to get used to the idea of a police state. Not only control of movement and assembly, but also tracking and surveillance.
It could be the thin end of the wedge. People seem to want what China have.
What happens the next time there's a crisis? Would we roll out the same measures if there's a particularly bad seasonal flu that kills at a rate that's a quarter of C19?
It could be the thin end of the wedge. People seem to want what China have.
What happens the next time there's a crisis? Would we roll out the same measures if there's a particularly bad seasonal flu that kills at a rate that's a quarter of C19?
Quite a few of my right, anti EU leaning friends are saying that this pandemic will open the world's eyes to the fact we should leave the EU and take care of only ourselves.
Now I know I am of a contrarian nature, but doesnt a pandemic highlight more than anuthing that isolationism and individualism is archaic and needs to feck off? The world is tiny now, what happens in 1 place has ramifications potentially everywhere.
Now I know I am of a contrarian nature, but doesnt a pandemic highlight more than anuthing that isolationism and individualism is archaic and needs to feck off? The world is tiny now, what happens in 1 place has ramifications potentially everywhere.
highly doubtful. Labour are seriously struggling to find any way of criticising the reaction from this government.
there’s no way labour is offering any credible alternative. This is a centre/ centre left leaning Tory government. Labour are not getting near power for at least a decade.
Bottom right is goldAll sides are vindicated
(though the "we're the virus" stuff belongs more in botto left or top right; top left should be a paean to China)